Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?

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1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

7 And all the men were about twelve. - Acts 19
 

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Curious, do most people that speak in tongues also prophesy? The scripture in the OP is pretty plain, one goes along with the other. And if you have, can you please give us some examples of what you prophesied correctly, and has any of your prophesy not come to pass? Or has it all come to pass.
 
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I am just worried that most Christians today exist in the flesh outside of the Spirit. I belong to a Pentecostal Holiness church and remember the day of being around Spirit filled Christians. I am made to wonder these days what people are actually filled with!
 
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1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

7 And all the men were about twelve. - Acts 19

1 Cor 12:3
3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

So if one has asserted in faith that Jesus is Lord, one has received the Holy Spirit.
 
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I don't see the prophesy that is equivalent to speaking in tongues and being interpretative as being predictive. Paul says that one who speaks in a tongue is edified. So one who interprets a tongue or prophesies should edify the people that are hearing it.
 
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1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

7 And all the men were about twelve. - Acts 19
Anyone who has been properly baptized has received the Holy Spirit.
 
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Anyone who has been properly baptized has received the Holy Spirit.

Here in the Southeast...

1. An evangelist or circuit rider would come to town and organize a revival
2. Saints and sinners alike were encouraged to the altar for prayer
3. When someone would come through he would make the building ring with his glad praise
4. If they could not detect a sweetness in the experience they would tell you that you did not have it and come back tomorrow night.
5. This produced sweet families such as we had in the Waltons. This is John Wesley Methodism in practice.

Here is the story of GC Rankin, who illustrates these methods in practice...

"Grandfather was kind to me and considerate of me, yet he was strict with me. I worked along with him in the field when the weather was agreeable and when it was inclement I helped him in his hatter's shop, for the Civil War was in progress and he had returned at odd times to hatmaking. It was my business in the shop to stretch foxskins and coonskins across a wood-horse and with a knife, made for that purpose, pluck the hair from the fur. I despise the odor of foxskins and coonskins to this good day. He had me to walk two miles every Sunday to Dandridge to Church service and Sunday-school, rain or shine, wet or dry, cold or hot; yet he had fat horses standing in his stable. But he was such a blue-stocking Presbyterian that he never allowed a bridle to go on a horse's head on Sunday. The beasts had to have a day of rest. Old Doctor Minnis was the pastor, and he was the dryest and most interminable preacher I ever heard in my life. He would stand motionless and read his sermons from manuscript for one hour and a half at a time and sometimes longer. Grandfather would sit and never take his eyes off of him, except to glance at me to keep me quiet. It was torture to me." - George Clark Rankin

Then he got it good in the Methodist church in Georgia...

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After the team had been fed and we had been to supper we put the mules to the wagon, filled it with chairs and we were off to the meeting. When we reached the locality it was about dark and the people were assembling. Their horses and wagons filled up the cleared spaces and the singing was already in progress. My uncle and his family went well up toward the front, but I dropped into a seat well to the rear. It was an old-fashioned Church, ancient in appearance, oblong in shape and unpretentious. It was situated in a grove about one hundred yards from the road. It was lighted with old tallow-dip candles furnished by the neighbors. It was not a prepossessing-looking place, but it was soon crowded and evidently there was a great deal of interest. A cadaverous-looking man stood up in front with a tuning fork and raised and led the songs. There were a few prayers and the minister came in with his saddlebags and entered the pulpit. He was the Rev. W. H. Heath, the circuit rider. His prayer impressed me with his earnestness and there were many amens to it in the audience. I do not remember his text, but it was a typical revival sermon, full of unction and power.

At its close he invited penitents to the altar and a great many young people flocked to it and bowed for prayer. Many of them became very much affected and they cried out distressingly for mercy. It had a strange effect on me. It made me nervous and I wanted to retire. Directly my uncle came back to me, put his arm around my shoulder and asked me if I did not want to be religious. I told him that I had always had that desire, that mother had brought me up that way, and really I did not know anything else. Then he wanted to know if I had ever professed religion. I hardly understood what he meant and did not answer him. He changed his question and asked me if I had ever been to the altar for prayer, and I answered him in the negative. Then he earnestly besought me to let him take me up to the altar and join the others in being prayed for. It really embarrassed me and I hardly knew what to say to him. He spoke to me of my mother and said that when she was a little girl she went to the altar and that Christ accepted her and she had been a good Christian all these years. That touched me in a tender spot, for mother always did do what was right; and then I was far away from her and wanted to see her. Oh, if she were there to tell me what to do!

By and by I yielded to his entreaty and he led forward to the altar. The minister took me by the hand and spoke tenderly to me as I knelt at the altar. I had gone more out of sympathy than conviction, and I did not know what to do after I bowed there. The others were praying aloud and now and then one would rise shoutingly happy and make the old building ring with his glad praise. It was a novel experience to me. I did not know what to pray for, neither did I know what to expect if I did pray. I spent the most of the hour wondering why I was there and what it all meant. No one explained anything to me. Once in awhile some good old brother or sister would pass my way, strike me on the back and tell me to look up and believe and the blessing would come. But that was not encouraging to me. In fact, it sounded like nonsense and the noise was distracting me. Even in my crude way of thinking I had an idea that religion was a sensible thing and that people ought to become religious intelligently and without all that hurrah. I presume that my ideas were the result of the Presbyterian training given to me by old grandfather. By and by my knees grew tired and the skin was nearly rubbed off my elbows. I thought the service never would close, and when it did conclude with the benediction I heaved a sigh of relief. That was my first experience at the mourner's bench.

As we drove home I did not have much to say, but I listened attentively to the conversation between my uncle and his wife. They were greatly impressed with the meeting, and they spoke first of this one and that one who had "come through" and what a change it would make in the community, as many of them were bad boys. As we were putting up the team my uncle spoke very encouragingly to me; he was delighted with the step I had taken and he pleaded with me not to turn back, but to press on until I found the pearl of great price. He knew my mother would be very happy over the start I had made. Before going to sleep I fell into a train of thought, though I was tired and exhausted. I wondered why I had gone to that altar and what I had gained by it. I felt no special conviction and had received no special impression, but then if my mother had started that way there must be something in it, for she always did what was right. I silently lifted my heart to God in prayer for conviction and guidance. I knew how to pray, for I had come up through prayer, but not the mourner's bench sort. So I determined to continue to attend the meeting and keep on going to the altar until I got religion.

Early the next morning I was up and in a serious frame of mind. I went with the other hands to the cottonfield and at noon I slipped off in the barn and prayed. But the more I thought of the way those young people were moved in the meeting and with what glad hearts they had shouted their praises to God the more it puzzled and confused me. I could not feel the conviction that they had and my heart did not feel melted and tender. I was callous and unmoved in feeling and my distress on account of sin was nothing like theirs. I did not understand my own state of mind and heart. It troubled me, for by this time I really wanted to have an experience like theirs.

When evening came I was ready for Church service and was glad to go. It required no urging. Another large crowd was present and the preacher was as earnest as ever. I did not give much heed to the sermon. In fact, I do not recall a word of it. I was anxious for him to conclude and give me a chance to go to the altar. I had gotten it into my head that there was some real virtue in the mourner's bench; and when the time came I was one of the first to prostrate myself before the altar in prayer. Many others did likewise. Two or three good people at intervals knelt by me and spoke encouragingly to me, but they did not help me. Their talks were mere exhortations to earnestness and faith, but there was no explanation of faith, neither was there any light thrown upon my mind and heart. I wrought myself up into tears and cries for help, but the whole situation was dark and I hardly knew why I cried, or what was the trouble with me. Now and then others would arise from the altar in an ecstasy of joy, but there was no joy for me. When the service closed I was discouraged and felt that maybe I was too hardhearted and the good Spirit could do nothing for me.

After we went home I tossed on the bed before going to sleep and wondered why God did not do for me what he had done for mother and what he was doing in that meeting for those young people at the altar. I could not understand it. But I resolved to keep on trying, and so dropped off to sleep. The next day I had about the same experience and at night saw no change in my condition. And so for several nights I repeated the same distressing experience. The meeting took on such interest that a day service was adopted along with the night exercises, and we attended that also. And one morning while I bowed at the altar in a very disturbed state of mind Brother Tyson, a good local preacher and the father of Rev. J. F. Tyson, now of the Central Conference, sat down by me and, putting his hand on my shoulder, said to me: "Now I want you to sit up awhile and let's talk this matter over quietly. I am sure that you are in earnest, for you have been coming to this altar night after night for several days. I want to ask you a few simple questions." And the following questions were asked and answered:

"My son, do you not love God?"

"I cannot remember when I did not love him."

"Do you believe on his Son, Jesus Christ?"

"I have always believed on Christ. My mother taught me that from my earliest recollection."

"Do you accept him as your Savior?"

"I certainly do, and have always done so."

"Can you think of any sin that is between you and the Savior?"

"No, sir; for I have never committed any bad sins."

"Do you love everybody?"

"Well, I love nearly everybody, but I have no ill-will toward any one. An old man did me a wrong not long ago and I acted ugly toward him, but I do not care to injure him."

"Can you forgive him?"

"Yes, if he wanted me to."

"But, down in your heart, can you wish him well?"

"Yes, sir; I can do that."

"Well, now let me say to you that if you love God, if you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior from sin and if you love your fellowmen and intend by God's help to lead a religious life, that's all there is to religion. In fact, that is all I know about it."

Then he repeated several passages of Scriptures to me proving his assertions. I thought a moment and said to him: "But I do not feel like these young people who have been getting religion night after night. I cannot get happy like them. I do not feel like shouting."

The good man looked at me and smiled and said: "Ah, that's your trouble. You have been trying to feel like them. Now you are not them; you are yourself. You have your own quiet disposition and you are not turned like them. They are excitable and blustery like they are. They give way to their feelings. That's all right, but feeling is not religion. Religion is faith and life. If you have violent feeling with it, all good and well, but if you have faith and not much feeling, why the feeling will take care of itself. To love God and accept Jesus Christ as your Savior, turning away from all sin, and living a godly life, is the substance of true religion."

That was new to me, yet it had been my state of mind from childhood. For I remembered that away back in my early life, when the old preacher held services in my grandmother's house one day and opened the door of the Church, I went forward and gave him my hand. He was to receive me into full membership at the end of six months' probation, but he let it pass out of his mind and failed to attend to it.

As I sat there that morning listening to the earnest exhortation of the good man my tears ceased, my distress left me, light broke in upon my mind, my heart grew joyous, and before I knew just what I was doing I was going all around shaking hands with everybody, and my confusion and darkness disappeared and a great burden rolled off my spirit. I felt exactly like I did when I was a little boy around my mother's knee when she told of Jesus and God and Heaven. It made my heart thrill then, and the same old experience returned to me in that old country Church that beautiful September morning down in old North Georgia.

I at once gave my name to the preacher for membership in the Church, and the following Sunday morning, along with many others, he received me into full membership in the Methodist Episcopal Church, South. It was one of the most delightful days in my recollection. It was the third Sunday in September, 1866, and those Church vows became a living principle in my heart and life. During these forty-five long years, with their alternations of sunshine and shadow, daylight and darkness, success and failure, rejoicing and weeping, fears within and fightings without, I have never ceased to thank God for that autumnal day in the long ago when my name was registered in the Lamb's Book of Life.

As we returned home the sun shone brighter, the birds sang sweeter and the autumn-time looked richer than ever before. My heart was light and my spirit buoyant. I had anchored my soul in the haven of rest, and there was not a ripple upon the current of my joy. That night there was no service and after supper I walked out under the great old pine trees and held communion with God. I thought of mother, and home, and Heaven. .../Quote... - George Clark Rankin
 
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George Clark Rankin then goes on to describe some of the revivals he experienced here in Virginia...

I passed my examinations and that year I was sent to the Wytheville Station and Circuit. That was adjoining my former charge. We reached the old parsonage on the pike just out of Wytheville as Rev. B. W. S. Bishop moved out. Charley Bishop was then a little tow-headed boy. He is now the learned Regent of Southwestern University. The parsonage was an old two-and-a-half-story structure with nine rooms and it looked a little like Hawthorne's house with the seven gables. It was the lonesomest-looking old house I ever saw. There was no one there to meet us, for we had not notified anybody of the time we would arrive.

Think of taking a young bride to that sort of a mansion! But she was brave and showed no sign of disappointment. That first night we felt like two whortleberries in a Virginia tobacco wagonbed. We had room and to spare, but it was scantily furnished with specimens as antique as those in Noah's ark. But in a week or so we were invited out to spend the day with a good family, and when we went back we found the doors fastened just as we had left them, but when we entered a bedroom was elegantly furnished with everything modern and the parlor was in fine shape. The ladies had been there and done the work. How much does the preacher owe to the good women of the Church!

The circuit was a large one, comprising seventeen appointments. They were practically scattered all over the county. I preached every other day, and never less than twice and generally three times on Sunday.

The famous Cripple Creek Campground was on that work. They have kept up campmeetings there for more than a hundred years. It is still the great rallying point for the Methodists of all that section. I have never heard such singing and preaching and shouting anywhere else in my life. I met the Rev. John Boring there and heard him preach. He was a well-known preacher in the conference; original, peculiar, strikingly odd, but a great revival preacher.

One morning in the beginning of the service he was to preach and he called the people to prayer. He prayed loud and long and told the Lord just what sort of a meeting we were expecting and really exhorted the people as to their conduct on the grounds. Among other things, he said we wanted no horse- trading and then related that just before kneeling he had seen a man just outside the encampment looking into the mouth of a horse and he made such a peculiar sound as he described the incident that I lifted up my head to look at him, and he was holding his mouth open with his hands just as the man had done in looking into the horse's mouth! But he was a man of power and wrought well for the Church and for humanity.

The rarest character I ever met in my life I met at that campmeeting in the person of Rev. Robert Sheffy, known as "Bob" Sheffy. He was recognized all over Southwest Virginia as the most eccentric preacher of that country. He was a local preacher; crude, illiterate, queer and the oddest specimen known among preachers. But he was saintly in his life, devout in his experience and a man of unbounded faith. He wandered hither and thither over that section attending meetings, holding revivals and living among the people. He was great in prayer, and Cripple Creek campground was not complete without "Bob" Sheffy. They wanted him there to pray and work in the altar.

He was wonderful with penitents. And he was great in following up the sermon with his exhortations and appeals. He would sometimes spend nearly the whole night in the straw with mourners; and now and then if the meeting lagged he would go out on the mountain and spend the entire night in prayer, and the next morning he would come rushing into the service with his face all aglow shouting at the top of his voice. And then the meeting always broke loose with a floodtide.

He could say the oddest things, hold the most unique interviews with God, break forth in the most unexpected spasms of praise, use the homeliest illustrations, do the funniest things and go through with the most grotesque performances of any man born of woman.

It was just "Bob" Sheffy, and nobody thought anything of what he did and said, except to let him have his own way and do exactly as he pleased. In anybody else it would not have been tolerated for a moment. In fact, he acted more like a crazy man than otherwise, but he was wonderful in a meeting. He would stir the people, crowd the mourner's bench with crying penitents and have genuine conversions by the score. I doubt if any man in all that conference has as many souls to his credit in the Lamb's Book of Life as old "Bob" Sheffy.

At the close of that year in casting up my accounts I found that I had received three hundred and ninety dollars for my year's work, and the most of this had been contributed in everything except money. It required about the amount of cash contributed to pay my associate and the Presiding Elder. I got the chickens, the eggs, the butter, the ribs and backbones, the corn, the meat, and the Presiding Elder and Brother Stradley had helped us to eat our part of the quarterage. Well, we kept open house and had a royal time, even if we did not get much ready cash. We lived and had money enough to get a good suit of clothes and to pay our way to conference. What more does a young Methodist preacher need or want? We were satisfied and happy, and these experiences are not to be counted as unimportant assets in the life and work of a Methodist circuit rider.
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Anyone who has been properly baptized has received the Holy Spirit.
From a general Pentecostal perspective and probably with most Evangelicals as well, we see Water Baptism as following our confession of faith that Jesus is Lord. For most, Water Baptism is an outward sign/symbol to the world of our transformation from the domain of Darkness to the Kingdom of Light; in itself Water Baptism has no part in our Conversion/Initiation experience but of course there each Denomination will have their own variations as well.

The Baptism in the Holy Spirit

Most historic (classic) Pentecostals still hold to the view that the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is subsequent to our initial salvation, where they believe that we are first sealed in the Holy Spirit.

Most contempory charismatics and non-classic Pentecostals see the Baptism in the Holy Spirit occurring at the moment of our initial conversion/initiation experience, where some will speak in tongues from this point on and others will not simply because they have not been taught that they can.
 
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Talking in tongues is for our own edification. It is not needed for speaking so that all can understand is what we are called to do.

Water baptism, according to scripture is the baptism of repentance where we repent our sins. The laying on of hands by an authorized child of God brings the Holy Spirit upon the sinful person. That Spirit is God living within his children. We have a direct connection to our Father in heaven and a Helper to teach us to walk in God's Spirit.

God Bless
 
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My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you... Galatians 4:19

I believe that the Holy Spirit is something that is formed within. And once formed in us it is a daily walk to keep the Holy Spirit alive in the heart, or it will dissipate away. I believe the way to the Holy Spirit is in metaphor to the Hebrew temple...

1. Outer Gates - Faith to enter in. I recommend cutting ones teeth on Word of Faith doctrine.
2. The Altar - Christ is our sacrifice, the bible says that if we confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in our hearts that God rose him from the dead we shall be saved (Romans 10:9). The doctrine of salvation should be kept very simple!
3. The Laver - "Sanctification makes us pure on the inside" - William Seymour. A kind of catechism if you will.
4. The Table of Shewbread - Biblical studies
5. The Lightstand - Spiritual light - Faith, hope, charity, goodness, warmth, love, etc.
6. The Altar of Golden Incense - Prayer and praise
7. The Holy of Holies - The Baptism in the Holy Spirit - With the Holy Spirit and the Christ fully formed within us.

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The old school Methodist / Pentecostal would not let you claim their version of religion until the Christ came shining through, if they could detect the fleshly spirit they would tell you, "You don't have it yet come back tomorrow night!"
 
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My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you... Galatians 4:19

I believe that the Holy Spirit is something that is formed within. And once formed in us it is a daily walk to keep the Holy Spirit alive in the heart, or it will dissipate away. I believe the way to the Holy Spirit is in metaphor to the Hebrew temple...
Your comment that the "Holy Spirit is something that is formed within" is certainly concerning as the Holy Spirit is not 'something' but 'someone' who is given to each Believer as a downpayment of their future Salvation. It appears that you saying that the Holy Spirit is only "formed within" through self effort which stands in complete opposition to the Scriptures.

I was intrigued by your quote to Gal 4:19 "until Christ is formed in you" then you go on to say that it is "the Holy Spirit is formed in us"; unless we have the Holy Spirit residing within us then Christ's nature cannot be formed within us.
 
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My understanding is that there is more than one kinds of speaking in tungues.
One is for the edifying of the congregation.
The other is a prayer language.
The prayer language is for ones personal time with God and not during services. This "tungues" is neither understood by others nearby nor the person praying in tungues. It's purpose is for self edification.
 
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My understanding is that there is more than one kinds of speaking in tungues.
One is for the edifying of the congregation.
The other is a prayer language.
The prayer language is for ones personal time with God and not during services. This "tungues" is neither understood by others nearby nor the person praying in tungues. It's purpose is for self edification.
Even though classic-Pentecostals (i.e., AoG) will connect tongues with the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, we should probably leave praying in tongues to the current thread on this subject.
 
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Are they not the same subject?
As I mentioned, class-Pentecostals (i.e., AoG) will certainly connect the reception of tongues as signifying that someone has received the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, which will follow after what they believe to be our initial conversion/initiation experience of Salvation.

You're right in that tongues cannot be completely removed from the question as to the Baptism in the Holy Spirit but we should focus on what is called the crisis event where we are first united to Christ through the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit.

Over the past maybe 20 years, many Pentecostals have begun to distance themselves from the classic-Pentecostal position that the Baptism in the Holy Spirit follows after our initital conversion (crisis event), where it is now more common for a Pentecostal to recognise that every Believer is Baptised in the Holy Spirit the moment that they are Born Again, irrespective if they speak in tongues or not.

I used to hold to the classic-Pentecostal position for many years as I only began to speak in tongues maybe 18 months after I was Born Again, so for the many millions who were like me the old classic-Pentecostal position had some appeal, but this is more an accident of history as we had not been told that every Believer can expect to speak in tongues the moment that they are first Born Again/Baptised in the Holy Spirit.

What made me change my mind was that since the 90's many classic-Pentecostal theologians/commentators began to speak of the supposed (but erroneous) difference between Luke's charismatic theology as against Paul's charismatic theology. Many classic (AoG) scholars will even now refer to their doctrine of subsequence as being based on Lukan theology and not Pauline theology as they acknowledge that Paul does not make any suggestion that the BHS is supposed to be something other than what occurs at the moment of our Salvation. Of course this has led to the charge that they have produced "a Canon within a Canon" where there are now essentially two Gospels or that Paul was simply wrong - where both of these options are simply untenible.

For what it is worth, when you speak to a Pentecostal on this issue and they are not aware of the Lukan-Pauline distinctions, then they are undoubtedly not all that well versed on the topic.
 
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Many classic (AoG) scholars will even now refer to their doctrine of subsequence as being based on Lukan theology and not Pauline theology as they acknowledge that Paul does not make any suggestion that the BHS is supposed to be something other than what occurs at the moment of our Salvation[/QUOTE?

1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. 7And all the men were about twelve.

Acts 19
 
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Paul in Ephesus
1While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples 2and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
3So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?”
“John’s baptism,” they replied.
4Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. 7There were about twelve men in all.​

In verse 3 we find that the 12 men were actually disciples of John the Baptist in that they were probalby still waiting for the Messiah to return. What we have here is very similar to the many Jews who had been baptised by John in the River Jordan, in that when they later repented and confessed Jesus as their Lord, that they were then Baptised in the Holy Spirit. I would not say that the 12 Ephesians were Christians before Paul arrived.

The same goes for Acts 2 where the 120 were Baptised in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues, where the 120 were not Born Again or filled with the Spirit before this particular event. Then we have the Centurion as well where he, his family and friends were not Christians before they were Baptised in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.
 
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