Have abortions been under reported?

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"The president who has selectively cited statistics to reduce jobless reports during his historically bad economic record, cooked the books on ObamaCare, and boasts that he “cut the deficit” while increasing the national debt more than all previous U.S. presidents combined may have worked his numeric magic on the nation’s abortion numbers."
Did the Obama administration just admit a massive spike in abortions?

Instead of going down in 2009 and thereafter, did abortions
actually go much higher under this pro-abortion at any time
for any reason President?
 
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"The president who has selectively cited statistics to reduce jobless reports during his historically bad economic record, cooked the books on ObamaCare, and boasts that he “cut the deficit” while increasing the national debt more than all previous U.S. presidents combined may have worked his numeric magic on the nation’s abortion numbers."
Did the Obama administration just admit a massive spike in abortions?

Instead of going down in 2009 and thereafter, did abortions
actually go much higher under this pro-abortion at any time
for any reason President?

Who cares? We don't even keep computerized records of who owns which gun in this nation...or how many people police shot.

How many abortions have been performed seems pretty inconsequential.
 
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"The president who has selectively cited statistics to reduce jobless reports during his historically bad economic record, cooked the books on ObamaCare, and boasts that he “cut the deficit” while increasing the national debt more than all previous U.S. presidents combined may have worked his numeric magic on the nation’s abortion numbers."
Did the Obama administration just admit a massive spike in abortions?

Instead of going down in 2009 and thereafter, did abortions
actually go much higher under this pro-abortion at any time
for any reason President?

Betteridge's Law strikes again.
  1. Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word NO.
 
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Who cares? We don't even keep computerized records of who owns which gun in this nation...or how many people police shot.

How many abortions have been performed seems pretty inconsequential.

Strange word, inconsequential, for this question.

Consequences of abortion.

Just this year so far: over 28,425,000 abortions worldwide
Abortion Statistics - Worldometers
That is almost a half million more lives snuffed out than the
total number of people living in Texas.

CDC numbers
Black babies aborted in NYC outnumber those born.
Total number of abortions in NYC are 60% of those born.
 
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Strange word, inconsequential, for this question.

Consequences of abortion.

Just this year so far: over 28,425,000 abortions worldwide
Abortion Statistics - Worldometers
That is almost a half million more lives snuffed out than the
total number of people living in Texas.

CDC numbers
Black babies aborted in NYC outnumber those born.
Total number of abortions in NYC are 60% of those born.

And?
 
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Here's the thing, when you don't do the reading - you look foolish when you get up in front of the class. The CDC has never claimed or implied that its abortion statistics are complete. This is noted and discussed in EVERY SINGLE REPORT ISSUED BY THE CDC ON THE SUBJECT. There's usually a big section called 'Limitations' or 'Discussion' that specifically outlines the shortcomings of the data.

For example, from the 1998 statistical report:

The overall number, ratio, and rate of abortions from this analysis are conservative estimates because the numbers of legal induced abortions reported to CDC for 1998 were probably lower than the numbers actually performed. Totals provided by central health agencies may be lower than those obtained by direct surveys of abortion providers (50). For example, the total number of abortions reported to CDC for 1997 was approximately 12% lower than that reported for 1997 by The Alan Guttmacher Institute, a private organization that contacts abortion providers directly to obtain information concerning the total number of abortions performed (30). In addition, four states (Alaska, California, New Hampshire, and Oklahoma) did not collect abortion data and not all states collected and/or reported information (e.g., age, race, and gestational age) about women obtaining a legal induced abortion in 1998; therefore, the numbers, percentages, rates, and ratios derived from this analysis may not be representative of all women who obtained abortions.

Furthermore, abortion data are compiled and reported by CDC by reporting area where the abortion occurs rather than by reporting area where the woman resides. This inflates the numbers, ratios and rates of abortions for areas where a high proportion of legal abortions are obtained by out-of-state residents and undercounts procedures for states with limited abortion services. CDC will encourage all reporting areas to compile and report complete information regarding the residential status of women obtaining abortions.

What would help is a requirement for uniform statistics provision from all reporting areas. As the CDC itself notes:

Although CDC obtains aggregate abortion numbers from most of the central health agencies, the level of detail that it receives on the characteristics of women obtaining abortions varies considerably from year to year and by reporting area. To encourage more uniform collection of these details, CDC has collaborated with the National Association of Public Health Statistics and Information Systems to develop reporting standards and provide technical guidance for vital statistics personnel who collect and summarize abortion data within the United States. However, because the collection and reporting of abortion data are not federally mandated, many reporting areas have developed their own data collection forms and therefore do not collect or provide all the information or level of detail included in this report.
LifesiteNews probably knows all this. I'm going to assume SOMEONE there has some basic statistical literacy and an inclination to read down to the bottom of the page. Then again, looking at the content of the site, that's maybe an unwarranted assumption - it seems that frothing outrage about abortions, transgender individuals, inappropriate contentography, eugenics, gay marriage, liberals and AntiFa are standard fare, not actually diving into anything difficult, like thinking about real-world solutions and ways to improve reporting.
 
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As quoted in the previous post:

In addition, four states (Alaska, California, New Hampshire, and Oklahoma) did not collect abortion data and not all states collected and/or reported information (e.g., age, race, and gestational age) about women obtaining a legal induced abortion in 1998; therefore, the numbers, percentages, rates, and ratios derived from this analysis may not be representative of all women who obtained abortions.

This is exactly why you see such a big drop in the CDC abortion numbers in 1998. This isn't controversial, the CDC itself states this.

So the answer to the question of the thread is certainly "yes." The official numbers are definitely not the actual number of abortions, since significant reporting regions (in particular, all of California) have no data collected from them.

Thus all we can really say with certainty is that there were more than 699,202 abortions in 2012. Since the reporting regions lack the state with the larger population, we can confidently state beyond that that a large number of abortions are lacking; i.e. that we aren't off by a small percentage. The exact number is impossible to state, since it was never recorded in the first place, but a number in the neighborhood of a million isn't implausible.

Of course this doesn't necessarily mean that the numbers went up either in 2009-2012, since the counts in the prior years were also inaccurate. It's actually impossible to say with certainty whether they have went up or down; we would need to have much more information about precisely what has happened in the abortions that went untracked. If for example the abortion trend was upwards in certain key areas, but downwards in much of the country, it is very possible that the number of abortions in the country as a whole could have increased. But knowing this would require having information that we do not possess.
 
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Here's the thing, when you don't do the reading - you look foolish when you get up in front of the class. The CDC has never claimed or implied that its abortion statistics are complete.

Not the point. The timing of the changes was not coincidental.
These misleading statistics were used for political gain, like everything else.

"All of the rates below are the number of abortions per 1,000 women between the ages of 15-44, and come from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)."
The sharpest drops in abortion rates in America have been under Democratic presidents

Abortion rate declines to historic low, with Obamacare a likely contributor, study says
 
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speechless... I wondered how people could sacrifice their
children in the old days, but I guess it isn't that hard for some.
Not with the # of abortions today.

Perhaps there's a lesson on judgment in there.
 
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Or lack of maternal love (or common decency) for so many
women to casually toss away their children. Some even boast
of the number of abortions they have had.

Who's boasting?

The actress in the
following article sounds like a ghoul to me.
Martha Plimpton says she had her ‘best’ abortion in Seattle

The woman who...

"She launched her own organization in 2012 called "A Is For," which aims to end the stigma against terminating pregnancies."

Speaks about abortion in a manner you find unsettling...I can't imagine why lol. That is, of course, pretty much the whole point of ending stigmas...you need to unsettle needless cultural taboos.

If so many women get abortions, there's really no need for them to feel ashamed about it...as if it's some secret they need to hide for the rest of their lives. Indeed, if the figures in this thread are correct, then it's quite common and not at all shameful.
 
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If so many women get abortions, there's really no need for them to feel ashamed about it...as if it's some secret they need to hide for the rest of their lives. Indeed, if the figures in this thread are correct, then it's quite common and not at all shameful.

No, it's still very shameful for mothers to kill their own children.
Many people (women and men) have just lost the capacity to
care any more. That is the beginning of our judgment.

2 Timothy 3:1-4, 13
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
 
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No, it's still very shameful for mothers to kill their own children.
Many people (women and men) have just lost the capacity to
care any more. That is the beginning of our judgment.

2 Timothy 3:1-4, 13
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Well that's your opinion...

It's well accepted by scholars that even ancient Jews practiced abortion...pressing was one of the methods I remember reading...and your god makes no specific objections to abortion.

So perhaps your god finds it no more shameful than heaping shame upon a young woman faced with a difficult choice.
 
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