Has Muslim Theology influenced Iconoclasm?

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The Jews prayed facing the temple and venerated it because it contained the presence of God.
Assuming that’s true for a moment (that they “venerated” the temple), you just stated they did so “becasuse it contained the presence of God.” What does that have to do with paintings, stained glass windows, statues, and bone fragments of dead people? Do you think those things also contain the presence of God?
 
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Assuming that’s true for a moment (that they “venerated” the temple), you just stated they did so “becasuse it contained the presence of God.” What does that have to do with paintings, stained glass windows, statues, and bone fragments of dead people? Do you think those things also contain the presence of God?
Statues and Icons are visual representations of God’s glory through his chosen Saints and prophets.
 
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Assuming that’s true for a moment (that they “venerated” the temple), you just stated they did so “becasuse it contained the presence of God.” What does that have to do with paintings, stained glass windows, statues, and bone fragments of dead people? Do you think those things also contain the presence of God?
Statues and Icons are visual representations of God’s glory through his chosen Saints and prophets.
So that would be a no, they don’t contain the presence of God? That makes you using the temple as justification for “venerating” statues irrelevant. Thanks.

Now then, do you any relevant scriptural examples of God telling people to “venerate” statues?
 
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So that would be a no?
Icons and statues do not contain the literal presence of God just as the brass snake did not contain the literal presence of God. They are merely representations of God’s glory.
 
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I already answered this question. The Jews prayed facing the temple and venerated it because it contained the presence of God. If you don’t know the meaning of veneration then that’s your problem.
The presence of God left at times so that was faulty thinking. If they venerated a room, they were committing idolatry and God did not acknowledge their piety in worshipping towards a man made material place.
 
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As the ark and brass serpent were visual representations of God’s glory so are icons and statues in Church.
Ah, no they never were. You do not understand the Ark or the Serpent. They knew He is a God not made with hands. They do not represent nor did they ever represent God's glory. That is not even close to the icons, not even close.
 
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Ah, no they never were. You do not understand the Ark or the Serpent. They knew He is a God not made with hands. They do not represent nor did they ever represent God's glory. That is not even close to the icons, not even close.
Then why did they venerate them?
 
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The presence of God left at times so that was faulty thinking. If they venerated a room, they were committing idolatry and God did not acknowledge their piety in worshipping towards a man made material place.
The presence of God left when the children of Israel turned to idol worship or other sinful practices. Venerating a room isn’t Idolatry as it’s not worship.
 
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Ah, no they never were. You do not understand the Ark or the Serpent. They knew He is a God not made with hands. They do not represent nor did they ever represent God's glory. That is not even close to the icons, not even close.
The Ark did represent God’s glory which was why the Israelites carried it into battle, the brass snake was meant to be a reminder of the miracle of Moses in turning his staff into a snake and was venerated to remember The Moses’s God inspired miracle. So it’s actually pretty close.
 
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As the ark and brass serpent were visual representations of God’s glory so are icons and statues in Church.
We’ve already addressed the ark when we addressed the temple. Same answer.

Regarding the bronze serpent, you just made my point for me. What did Hezekiah do when the Israelites started “venerating” it? He destroyed it, and God was pleased.
 
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We’ve already addressed the ark when we addressed the temple. Same answer.

Regarding the bronze serpent, you just made my point for me. What did Hezekiah do when the Israelites started “venerating” it? He destroyed it, and God was pleased.
*Worshipping
 
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Then why did they venerate them?
They did not.
The Ark did represent God’s glory which was why the Israelites carried it into battle, the brass snake was meant to be a reminder of the miracle of Moses in turning his staff into a snake and was venerated to remember The Moses’s God inspired miracle. So it’s actually pretty close.
Where does the Bible say that the Ark represents God's glory? I mean it is hard to believe they thought a chest made with hands represents God's glory when the Israelite literally saw the real glory descend upon the tent. Why would they need a chest to represent it and for what good? This is a Muslim way of thinking that is foreign to Jews and Christians. Did you know that the Ark was once captured by the enemy and carried off? Hummmmmm. And you also forget that when the Israelies started to venerate the snake, God wanted it destroyed. Hummmmmm Again, a Muslim way of thinking demonstrated here. It is not OK for real worshippers of the real God to venerate a material object. It is foreign for those who walk with God who is not made or represented by made items.
 
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They did not.

Where does the Bible say that the Ark represents God's glory? I mean it is hard to believe they thought a chest made with hands represents God's glory when the Israelite literally saw the real glory descend upon the tent. Why would they need a chest to represent it and for what good? This is a Muslim way of thinking that is foreign to Jews and Christians. Did you know that the Ark was once captured by the enemy and carried off? Hummmmmm. And you also forget that when the Israelies started to venerate the snake, God wanted it destroyed. Hummmmmm Again, a Muslim way of thinking demonstrated here. It is not OK for real worshippers of the real God to venerate a material object. It is foreign for those who walk with God who is not made or represented by made items.
Read 1 Samuel 4:22, it says God’s glory left Israel when the Ark was captured. Objects can represent God’s glory because they can represent a real thing. Actually Muslims think in the same way you do, how can do objects represent God’s glory. Correction when the Israelites worshipped the snake it was destroyed, yet they were venerating it before they started worshipping it. Again a Muslim way of seeing veneration and worship as the same thing.
 
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We’ve already addressed the ark when we addressed the temple. Same answer.

Regarding the bronze serpent, you just made my point for me. What did Hezekiah do when the Israelites started “venerating” it? He destroyed it, and God was pleased.
Your still confusing worship and veneration so you’ve not addressed anything. Read 1 Samuel 4:22, where God’s glory leaves Israel when its captured. Proving that it did represent God’s glory on earth. Correction, the serpent was destroyed when the Israelites turned it into a god with its very own name. If Christians worship a statue of Mary and apply a name to it while worshipping it as a god then by all means we should destroy it. The Israelites did venerate the serpent until it was worshipped as a god. I’ve already addressed the issue.
 
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That’s not what scripture says.
That is what scripture says, they turned it into a god named Nehushtan, worshipping of objects as deities is forbidden by the Church.
 
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That is what scripture says, they turned it into a god named Nehushtan, worshipping of objects as deities is forbidden by the Church.
And this is what you used as a scriptural example of something “venerated”(266). Thanks for continuing to make my point.
 
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And this is what you used as a scriptural example of something “venerated”(266). Thanks for continuing to make my point.
No, there’s a big difference, veneration was done to the Ark and the temple and brass serpent, worship was eventually given to the brass serpent and given to the statues of Baal and Astarte.
 
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