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Featured Has everyone gone to hell so far since the Resurrection?

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by Jaxxi, Oct 29, 2020.

  1. Jaxxi

    Jaxxi Saint- in training Supporter

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    It says of the Rapture "For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first."
    Thessalonians 4:16
    So the dead in Christ have not gone to heaven yet I take it. Is this correct?
     
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  2. Andrewn

    Andrewn Well-Known Member CF Ambassadors Supporter

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    No, they haven't. But this doesn't mean they're in hell. The victorious Church is now in paradise.

    Luk 23:43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

    2Co 12:4 was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell.

    Revelation 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne.

    Revelation 6 Commentary - The Souls and the Altar - BibleGateway.com
     
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  3. RaymondG

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    "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."

    "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God."
     
  4. BobRyan

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    That is true.

    1 Peter 1
    6 In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, 7 so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which perishes though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise, glory, and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

    13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, set your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ

    And the wicked will not experience the fire and birmstone torment of hell until the Rev 20 lake of fire event that happens after the great white throne judgment - of Rev 20.
     
  5. BobRyan

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    So no need to imagine lost loved ones and friends suffering in the fire and brimstone torments of hell (in cases you suppose they are lost)... they too await their fate
     
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    "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." -John 3:13, KJV
     
  7. jamesbond007

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    There isn't a new heaven yet. We are living in the dead or fallen heaven where Satan is "the god of the world and prince of the power of the air."

    God the Father is in a different heaven. Maybe it's the first heaven. He isn't in this universe anymore as he is holy and cannot live with sin.
     
  8. eleos1954

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    Hell is the grave .... everyone (the masses) wait there in a dormant sleep until He returns ... when He returns the 1st resurrection (of the saved) happens ..... later the 2nd resurrection happens (of the lost)

    so yes that is correct ...
     
  9. Jaxxi

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    So yes they are in hell, which you call a dormant sleep, or it is called Sheol, or Hades. I do not think they are sleeping in Hades. I think that they are being punished for their sins in life until the Judgement.
     
  10. Jaxxi

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    According to the Book of Enoch, God can be seen from a distance in the Seventh heaven but He resides in the 10th heaven and only there can you see His face up close. The second heaven is where the fallen angels are tormented by satan for not bringing souls to hell and hell is in the 3rd heaven, which is where the tree of knowledge is. So when people say we die and all go to heaven that is in a sense true, but people do not consider hell being part of heaven.
     
  11. Lost4words

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    Jesus, God, lived with sin all around Him. God does not abandon His creation.
     
  12. Jaxxi

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    God is going to throw His creation into the lake of fire at the judgement! God's creation was tainted when they created the Nephilim. God was disgusted when man sinned. We did not turn out as He intended
     
  13. eleos1954

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    Who is this torturing monster God? If God is torturing people in "hell" .... then He has already passed judgement.

    Does this make sense? .... God loves you but He's torturing people in hell and will do the same to you if you don't believe in Him. Is torturing people now and for eternity loving thing?

    Even us humans know torture is not acceptable.

    Jesus himself called death sleep. Lazarus is asleep .... Lazarus is dead.

    There are lots of verses about being asleep in the grave ... many many many.

    Hell is the grave and no torturing going on ... nor will there by for eternity.
     
  14. Freedm

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    Nobody has gone to heaven yet, nor has anyone gone to "hell".
     
  15. Jaxxi

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    That is odd. Both places are mentioned in the Bible, so we know that they exist but you said " hell" like it is fiction.
     
  16. jamesbond007

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    God the Father didn't abandon his creation. He sent his son Jesus to save them. The Father left the universe or the three dimensions. He can take care of them in the fourth dimension even though he's not here anymore.

    One needs to understand his holy nature. He cannot be where sin is.
     
  17. Lost4words

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    He was with Moses and the people at the great exodus! I guess they were all sin free then?
     
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  18. Andrewn

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    I realize that what you wrote is in the Slavonic Enoch. But there is no reason to believe this. The Bible says that paradise is in the 3rd heaven:

    2Co 12:2 I know a person in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know; God knows. 3 And I know that such a person—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know; God knows— 4 was caught up into Paradise and heard things that are not to be told, that no mortal is permitted to repeat.
     
  19. jamesbond007

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    No, God was with Moses in spirit and showed his finger of God. Recently, I was made aware that The Ten Commandments movie does this well.

     
  20. Lost4words

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    God was still there.
     
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