Has Daniel 7 been fullfilled yet?
I am of the opinion that it has not yet been fullfilled, but interested in everyone's views. Thanks.
I am of the opinion that it has not yet been fullfilled, but interested in everyone's views. Thanks.
Originally posted by jbenjesus
The stone cut without hands, to me, represents Jesus Christ. He was not made with human hands. The God of heaven came as Jesus Christ and set up a kingdom that surpasses and consumed all the kingdoms of flesh. God, in Jesus Christ, established a kingdom that lasts forever. The kingdom of God is the Holy Spirit residing in His people accomplishing this plan of filling the earth with His knowledge and glory.
Since I believe this is true, it is no surprise to me that the kingdom of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome do not stand or exist today. The wind of the Spirit is driving even their remnant away as time goes by and the kingdom of God (the mountain) is growing and growing and nothing in heaven or earth can stop its progress.
This all leads me to believe that most, if not all, of Daniel has been fulfilled.
Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
Hello jben,
Sorry, but here we go again. I would agree that the stone cut without hands does represent Jesus, but that is about as far as I can go in agreement. The Kingdom of God has NOT come yet.
When Jesus started to preach, He said this,
Mark 1:14,15 - Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Have you researched what "at hand" means? When used as an adverb (word describing a verb), it means near or nigh. In regards to time it means its right about to come upon you, now. Used as a verb it has the same type of connotation. It's right about to happen. Paul spoke this word of himself in II Timothy 4:6 in reference to his upcoming death (exodus). It represents the vivid force of the statement, expressing suddeness or imminence.
The time had been fulfilled the kingdom of God had come and Jesus was telling them to repent and believe the gospel because of it.
Matthew 6:33 - But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
The kingdom of God which comes in power is tied and included with His righteousness. Have you received the righteousness of God in Christ? Then the kingdom of God is in you.
Matthew 12:28 - But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Did Jesus cast out devils by the Spirit of God in Him? Yes. The kingdom of God had come in the days of His flesh.
Mark 9:1 - And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Did people see the kingdom of God present in Jesus by His mighty works? Yes. They standing there saw it.
How can you receive the kingdom of God now?
Mark 10:14 - But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
You must be as a little child, with child like faith. Sometimes seen as blind, but obedient faith. They simply take your word for it, because they trust you. I speak as a parent.
Luke 6:20 - And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
Luke 13:20-30 And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God? It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened. And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.
Jesus warned that the Jews would be weeping and nashing their teeth because they would see Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and the prophets of old in the kingdom of God, but they would be thrust out. Many will come from the 4 corners of the globe to sit down (obtain) in the kingdom of God. That last shall be first (meaning the considered outsiders - Jews, Samariatns, and Gentiles would obtain the kingdom) while the unbelieving Jews would be last (not obtain the kingdom for their rejection of Jesus and His gospel).
Luke 17:20,21 - And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Jesus spoke prophetically that when the kingdom of God would come it would not be in just one place or another place. It would actually be within the people.
Matthew 21:43 - Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Was the kingdom of God taken from the Jewish nation and given to others (the Gentiles and Jews who would believe)? Yes.
John 3:3,5 - Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
To see and enter into the kingdom of God you must be born again, which is to be born of the water and the Spirit.
I Corinthians 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.
The kingdom of God is not wise and persuasive words of men. It is the power of God (the zoe life of God) in the life of an individual - the Holy Spirit.
Thunder... have you not heard of the song by Ron Kenoly from his first praise and worship album?
Righteousness, peace, joy in the Holy Ghost. Righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost, that's the kingdom of God.
Don't you want to be a part of the kingdom? Don't you want to be a part of the kingdom? Don't you want to be part of the kingdom?
That's the kingdom of God!
Romans 14:17 - For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
If you have obtained the righteousness of God in Christ by being born again of the water and the Spirit...
The kingdom of God is within you!!! These scriptures speak of a present reality of the kingdom of God. Don't get me wrong, Thunder, Jesus will return and capture up His kingdom to Himself, completing us in Him. But the kingdom of God has arrived and for those who realize it, walk in it. Righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit!!! Not future to me.
Jesus did not come and consume all kingdoms of flesh.
Funny... I don't see the four great kingdoms of Daniel around anymore. Just like the vision given to Nebuchadnezzar. If you agree that the stone cut without hands was Jesus, then your saying He did not complete what He was sent to do. Did you know, that unlike priests who can never sit down continually offering sacrifices, Jesus has sat down and will remain and reign until all His enemies are under His feet, or become His footstool. He has defeated who He needed to defeat. As I said before, the kingdoms spoken of in Daniel are nothing but a distant memory now, and as time goes by even their memory is more and more driven away like the chaff in the wind.
He (Messiah) was cut off (denied) of receiving His Kingdom. Remember, after the 69 weeks?? Not 70, but 69. When have all the kingdoms of this world been consumed?? Jesus has not returned yet. We are still in our flesh and have not received our rewards yet either. When the Kingdom of God comes, all nations will beat their swords into plow shares, and their will be no more war until the thousand years are over, and then God will release Satan, who in turn will stir up Gog and Magog to come against the Kingdom of God, but they will be consumed by fire. And also, the Kingdom of God is not the Holy spirit. The Holy Spirit is a person. He is a member of the trinity (The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost).
All this is complete assumption on your part with no scriptural support from you. The last line I completely disagree with, but that is really for another thread.
Some of Daniel has been fulfilled, but there is still some ways to go yet. The best is yet to come, just like the wine that Jesus made.