Has America actually become the "Great Satan"?

[Homeby5]

Try to keep the discussion focused on morality and not politics.
For those of us that are older...we remember this term being given to us by Muslim nations decades ago. They implied our moral values would reap a path of destruction and basically we were a tool of the Devil.
Anyway...were they right?
Just curious what you guys think?

 

[Fantine]

On 9/11, Saudi terrorists attacked the financial investment center of our country. Not N'Awlins. Vegas. Hollywood.

That is the heart of our moral lapse. Not sex.

Money is the currency to which government has sold its soul, and why we are becoming an oligarchy whose strings are pulled by the rich and powerful.

Other issues are mere distractions.

 

[Lost Witness]

Bablyon.

 

[Fantine]

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[Maria Billingsley]

Try to keep the discussion focused on morality and not politics.
For those of us that are older...we remember this term being given to us by Muslim nations decades ago. They implied our moral values would reap a path of destruction and basically we were a tool of the Devil.
Anyway...were they right?
Just curious what you guys think?

If you only focus on the negatives, which is what some Muslim nations do, it would appear that way however, the USA is the most philanthropic nation in the world. The people who inhabit our USA come from all over which gives us a unique diverse perspective. Unbeknownst to some, the secular world allows freedom of choice. Of course this freedom will have varying degrees of morality however, it opens up opportunities not necessarily given by our counterparts. In other words, our basic value of freedom trumps any society that oppresses. Thus these nations are wrong.
Blessings.

 

[PloverWing]

I think that calling us "Satan" is extreme. There is much that is morally good about the US.

But the US has, from time to time, exploited the poor and the vulnerable -- including both people in our own country and people in those majority-Muslim nations you mentioned -- for financial gain. In that way, the Iranians who called us "the Great Satan" had a point.

Note that Jesus and the OT prophets spend many words telling people not to take advantage of those who are vulnerable, so they seem to have thought it was an important moral question.

I see also that some of those majority-Muslim nations, having thrown out the Western powers, have gone on to oppress the vulnerable in their own country. (Note the current Iranian protests, for example.) The temptation to exploit other people for one's own gain is a really persistent human temptation, not easily thwarted by changing governments or religions. When looking for Satan, never forget to look in the mirror.

 

[Torah Keeper]

There are other nations more evil than USA, by a long shot. Would any of you saying USA is Babylon, care to move to North Korea? No? How about Uganda? Congo? Haiti? No takers? Afganistan? Iran? Why not?

Babylon is the NWO capitol which has not yet been built by antichrist. It will be a new city, and a technological marvel. It doesn't exist yet.

If you look at all the prophecies concerning neo-Babylon in Revelation, no nation or city in history or present, matches this. It must be a future fulfillment.

 

[Blade]

First I have to say I really don't like this hat on avatars. No and no to Bablyon.

 

[Fantine]

I am glad to see that most posters agree our biggest lapse is greed and selfishness--not sexual sins.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I am glad to see that most posters agree our biggest lapse is greed and selfishness--not sexual sins.

I don't agree. It's all three.

 

[RileyG]

America isn't a Christian nation. It hasn't been for years.

 

[Landon Caeli]

On 9/11, Saudi terrorists attacked the financial investment center of our country. Not N'Awlins. Vegas. Hollywood.

That is the heart of our moral lapse.

There is no moral lesson to be learned from the Saudi terrorists. The only lesson learned is how to hate effectively, and how to behave like a savage.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I am glad to see that most posters agree our biggest lapse is greed and selfishness--not sexual sins.

Does that make the U.S. unlike other nations?

 

[Landon Caeli]

Try to keep the discussion focused on morality and not politics.
For those of us that are older...we remember this term being given to us by Muslim nations decades ago. They implied our moral values would reap a path of destruction and basically we were a tool of the Devil.
Anyway...were they right?
Just curious what you guys think?

The Muslim nations tend to be the worst human and civil rights violators. We shouldn't listen to them in regards to morality.

 

[Lost Witness]

The United States Is Mystery Bablyon,
Everything this Country is doing
So didn't Bablyon
Wake up Before it's too Late.
It's not too late
Revelation 18:4

 

[Landon Caeli]

The United States Is Mystery Bablyon,
Everything this Country is doing
So didn't Bablyon
Wake up Before it's too Late.
It's not too late
Revelation 18:4

What is it that the US does that other Western nations don't do? How are we worse than say France or Germany for example?

Perhaps you mean to say that the entire West is "Mystery Babylon", and that the Muslims and the Communists have it right?

 

[BobRyan]

Try to keep the discussion focused on morality and not politics.
For those of us that are older...we remember this term being given to us by Muslim nations decades ago. They implied our moral values would reap a path of destruction and basically we were a tool of the Devil.
Anyway...were they right?
Just curious what you guys think?

That term is kind of nonsense all by itself.

But in the promotion of slavery in the 1800's we were certainly doing wrong.
In promotion of abortion in the 20th and 21st centuries we did/do wrong again
In the promotion of gender and marriage confusion we do wrong..

The wrong that is done is not of the form 'somebody robbed a bank yesterday" rather it is of the form "bank robbing is no longer considered to be a bad thing"

 

[Belteshazzar(Daniel)]

What is it that the US does that other Western nations don't do? How are we worse than say France or Germany for example?

Perhaps you mean to say that the entire West is "Mystery Babylon", and that the Muslims and the Communists have it right?

No nation has it right nor any form of government known to man. To compare the sin of a nation to that of another is irrelevant. God is the judge not man. Therefore, let us look at the possibility that the U.S. could be Mystery Babylon. The criteria for the mother of harlots is she has made the rulers drunk, she has drank from the cup full of blasphemy; she rides upon a scarlet beast; she is destroyed by three kings, who despise her, because God put it in their hearts to destroy her.
America was not found on a base of Christianity. It was found upon the base of an order derived from many pagan religions rolled into one, that of freemasonry. Many of the founders were of the order and cared not which, if any, religion anyone followed, thus we have the freedom of religion. Upon much research I have finally found that Washington preformed the masonic ritual at the laying of the cornerstone of the capital building that copied that same ritual, tools and all, that was done at the laying of the cornerstone at the tower of Babel.
Babylon was founded upon the ideals that man could build his way to heaven without the need of God. America was born out of the ideals that man could have freedom without God. Freedom without God leads to bondage in SIN.

 

[Landon Caeli]

America was not born out of the ideals that man could have freedom without God, it was born out of the ideals that man could have freedom without a monarchy. What we have here, is a nation based on the exercise and liberties associated with "free-will", where we are allowed some of the same freedoms of choice that we are allowed by God in the Natural Law, which is unlike the dictates of a worldly king. Within the Natural Law, no person is bound to, or forced to believe in anything against his will... Nobody is forced to live a sin-free life... These choices are ours alone, and what we see here in the US is, in a lot of ways, similar to what we see in nature, as God created it.

 

[Landon Caeli]

God didn't eliminate the forbidden fruit from the garden either, He left it there, and offered them the "free-will" to choose it or not.

Likewise, in the United States, we have the free-will to choose a holy lifestyle, attend Church, and feed the poor? Or we can choose a sinful, self-centered lifestyle.

...The choice is ours, and the decisions we make are real.