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Harris takes on questions about her “blackness”

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by Hammster, Feb 12, 2019.

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  1. Shiloh Raven

    Shiloh Raven I solemnly swear that I am up to no good.

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    Your statement reminded me of what some Native Americans call other Native Americans who have fully assimilated to be "white" and who have forsaken their own native heritage. The term is "white man's apple," which means red on the outside and white on the inside. As you can see, it's not a very nice term and it is meant to shame and deride. Of course, I've never used the term myself, but I have heard it used before in the past when there were heated arguments among Native Americans.
     
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  2. cow451

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    Maybe “Her Blackness” will be Trump’s Twitter name for her. He who shall not be named who was also biracial did OK, so I think Harris should have no trouble getting the so-called “Black” vote.
     
  3. JCFantasy23

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    He came from France where he was surrounded by his family, all the same race, but I think the culture there is just too different than here when he tried to interact. Hard to say. I haven't been to his area of France so I have no idea.
     
  4. LaBèlla

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    If you've lived with the belief of non acceptance and encounter someone who says otherwise. What do you do? How do you explain the difference? I think it's important to be honest and true to ourselves. On the other hand, there is the necessity for grace. Some people can't handle it.
     
  5. Hammster

    Hammster Who has believed our report? Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    I would assume that is if “they” think she’s the best candidate. ;)
     
  6. cow451

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    Because “they” all think alike, right?
     
  7. Hank77

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    Black family friends, black classmates and friends....but she didn't really experience what is was to be a black kid in CA or in college.....? What made her different?

    Then Native Americans who didn't grow up on the reservation aren't really Native Americans? They didn't grow up in the culture or poverty of the res.
     
  8. Hammster

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    Kinda what you implied.
     
  9. Hammster

    Hammster Who has believed our report? Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Anyone have an idea who these complainers are?
     
  10. cow451

    cow451 Individual-2 Supporter

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    Yes, Comrade.
     
  11. Hammster

    Hammster Who has believed our report? Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    :doh:
     
  12. RDKirk

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    My white friends had black friends (me, for instance) but they didn't experience what it was to be a black kid in college.

    Neither Indians nor Jamaicans consider themselves African-American, nor would they have raised their child as an African-American or live in an African-American neighborhood. It would be an error to presume an African-American experience.

    More significant is what she has done since college. Her record has not shown perception of the African-American experience.

    When I was in Oklahoma as a teenager, there were kids from the Ft Sill Indian School who got some limited slots at my high school. I know that they sometimes got called "apples" by the kids still going to the Ft Sill school.
     
  13. Hank77

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    But she was a black kid in college, she looked very much black.
    What neighborhood did her family live in?
    How so?
    That wasn't the point. We have a member on this forum who is Native America but wasn't raised in a Native American family or on a reservation. Does that mean they didn't experience what it was like to be Native American in this country? If they were South American Indian raised in this country, wouldn't they know what it is like to be Native American in the US?
    I had a Latino, Spanish/South American Indian from Chili, South America, friend in college. Just like Harris, his family moved to CA when his father was getting his masters or PhD, I don't remember which, at Berkley. My friend was 10 yrs. old at the time. He experienced what it was like to be Mexican in the US because it was just assumed that he was. He developed a prejudice against Mexicans who were seen by Americans as being lazy. That was due to the way he was treated as a kid in CA and as a college student he made sure that he corrected anyone that referred to him as Mexican.
    I'm trying to understand what you are saying, but it seems to me that how you are treated is because of how and what others perceive you to be, and therefore, would have had the African-American, Native American, etc. experience in the US.
    Even in the 60s being black in the south was a very different experience than in the north and I would imagine than in CA, as well. I suspect that it is still somewhat the same today. We went on a road trip through the south in the 90s and I can tell you we got really strange looks from blacks when we stopped to get fuel at a little convenience store and used their bathrooms, both from the person in the store and those hanging out in the parking lot. You would have thought we were aliens from another planet.
     
  14. RDKirk

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    No, you're not trying to understand what I'm saying, you're arguing rather than accepting it.

    I learned when doing military interrogations that when your intention is to gain information, don't argue with the person you're interrogating. Just accept that his viewpoint is his viewpoint.
     
  15. DaisyDay

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    Her parents met while participating in civil rights demonstrations. She attended Howard University. Why would she go to a premiere black university if she was trying to pass as not-black? Makes no sense to me.
     
  16. Hammster

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    (Please do NOT attack this post, it is an honest response to your post. It is not intended to be a diversion.)

    It is unlikely you'll get any satisfaction in the near future. Now granted it could be that investigations will show, for instance, a Russian Troll Farm or something, certainly those were figured out after 2016's election cycle, but in general you may never know who exactly is behind the attacks on Ms. Harris.

    Guess the important lesson for the rest of us is: who is going to use them against her?

    Considering that the attacks are nothing more than racist drivel the real tale will be told in who picks it up and leverages it against her.

    Thank you for not attacking me for posting on your thread.
     
  18. Hammster

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    It was on topic. :)

    If the attacks are coming from other blacks, are they still racist?
     
  19. Hank77

    Hank77 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Sorry, there is very little in life that I just accept without trying to understand what I am called on to accept. You can call it a character flaw if you like.
     
  20. DaisyDay

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    Oh. It that what you've been trying to get at with this thread?
     
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