Harris family were slave owners

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Why would they? It's nonsensical. Probably just about everybody has slaveowners somewhere in there lineage, if you go back far enough.
Exactly. I never said it was a good argument the people starting this thread made, just that the left has no room to talk when it comes to this kind of stuff.
 
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Yes, I absolutely think this is an appeal to ignorant racists. In the context of these discussions, there is quite a significant difference between being the rightful, proper heir of a slave owner and being the progeny of a rape committed by that same slave owner. That you and @hislegacy and a bunch of right-wing bigots are trying to make this argument is pretty disgusting. If you can't figure out why people think of the Republican party as being accommodating of racism and a bunch of other horrible ideas and attitudes, here you go - this is a perfect example.

Then the fact that you wouldn't pass a 4th grade logic examintion is proven beyond a doubt. If this argument was given to racists it would constitute an argument to favor Harris, not to discredit her. :idea:
 
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It just seem to me that if one has to pick on the dead 5th great grandfather on the 3rd cousins side, to degraded an opponent....they have run out of good things to say about themselves.
Trust me. There is MUCH more that will be said...and has already been said.

On the other hand, what's the reason to be horrified if somebody raises an issue that is an obvious counterpart to the propaganda that the radicals, rioters, and their spokesmen have been trumpeting for months as they've virtually monopolized the news??
 
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If that's really your intent then you would make a more effective argument if you used an example of the left actually going after someone because of their ancestor rather than using what you imagine would happen but which didn't in reality.

This is projection, not reality. You, not them.
And the left always makes effective arguments. My bad, sir, my bad.
 
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For starters, no one here is going after her because she was the victim of rape. They were saying her ancestors were slave owners which may or may not be true. It may or may not be true that she was a victim of rape.

They're not going after her because she was the victim of rape; they're going after her for an alleged (and unproven) lineage and ignoring the very real possibility that rape was a factor in it, pretending as if all lineages are equal.
 
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I can assert *any* position on to the <left>, <right>, <msm> or my favorite "them" or "they" (just look at the op's first post).
I'm still missing your point. I'm sure what your saying is not rocket science, the wording is just confusing me a bit.
 
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Trying to get Trump elected by discrediting his opponents, only proves that there is no good reason to vote for him on his merit alone...

By this logic there is no merit-based reason to vote for any Democrat that ran in the primary, because discrediting the opponent was the primary aim of the entire thing.

Seriously, you all on the left have to learn to present an argument that doesn't inherently contradict your own positions.
 
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So what? Many people don't vote for one because they're crazy about them but rather they're more afraid of they'd get in their place. And actually it could be said this election doesn't even have to be about Trump but about the craziness of the left promoting lawlessness. If you want that vote Dem....if you want law and order and stability vote for Trump. Even Police Unions are voting for Trump.
Sorry? Trump would not recognise the rule of law of it hit him on the derriere.
 
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They're not going after her because she was the victim of rape; they're going after her for an alleged (and unproven) lineage and ignoring the very real possibility that rape was a factor in it, pretending as if all lineages are equal.
And apparently the whole rape thing is alleged and unproven, yet many are talking as though it is fact.
 
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Exactly. I never said it was a good argument the people starting this thread made, just that the left has no room to talk when it comes to this kind of stuff.

Considering how bad the argument is, yes, I think they have room to talk. I can't think of too many people making arguments that bad, outside of Trump and some of the loonier radio hosts.
 
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Trust me. There is MUCH more that will be said...and has already been said.

On the other hand, what's the reason to be horrified if somebody raises an issue that is an obvious counterpart to the propaganda that the radicals, rioters, and their spokesmen have been trumpeting for months as they've virtually monopolized the news??
It may be a counterpart, but it would be more "obvious" if Harris was glorifying the culture of Brown's slaveholding society. I am not aware that Brown and his fellow slaveholders rose up in arms against the British government to maintain slavery or that their descendants now strive to preserve monuments glorifying the rebellion.
 
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Considering how bad the argument is, yes, I think they have room to talk. I can't think of too many people making arguments that bad, outside of Trump and some of the loonier radio hosts.
Have you been in America long?
 
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Considering how bad the argument is, yes, I think they have room to talk. I can't think of too many people making arguments that bad, outside of Trump and some of the loonier radio hosts.

...right, because no one on the left has ever gotten within a half mile of proposing any form of reparations for ancestral slavery. :doh:
 
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Then the fact that you wouldn't pass a 4th grade logic examintion is proven beyond a doubt. If this argument was given to racists it would constitute an argument to favor Harris, not to discredit her. :idea:

No.

Among other things, racists seek to dismiss claims about slave owners raping their slaves and siring children by them and they seek to undermine the acknowledgement that slavery generated wealth that was then passed down to the heirs of the slave owners. This attack on Harris checks both of those boxes.


And apparently the whole rape thing is alleged and unproven, yet many are talking as though it is fact.

The lineage itself is alleged and unproven, yet many are talking as though it's fact.
 
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Trying to get Trump elected by discrediting his opponents, only proves that there is no good reason to vote for him on his merit alone...
It worked before.
 
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No.

Among other things, racists seek to dismiss claims about slave owners raping their slaves and siring children by them and they seek to undermine the acknowledgement that slavery generated wealth that was then passed down to the heirs of the slave owners. This attack on Harris checks both of those boxes.

So this is what you think enters the racist's mind, "Ah, Kamala Harris is descended from slave owners. Well, there is a theory that she may be descended from the illegitimate offspring of slave owners. I am going to ignore that theory, conclude that she is descended from the legitimate offspring of slave owners, and use this conclusion to delegitimize her on the basis of racism. Because I'm a racist."

Not doing much better on that logic test, are we? :rolleyes:
 
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...right, because no one on the left has ever gotten within a half mile of proposing any form of reparations for ancestral slavery. :doh:

Since the reparations would be from the government due to the government allowing slavery in the past, it's not the same thing. (Although it's rather late for that kind of thing; any reparations should have been made shortly following emancipation.)
 
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