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Happy 4th!

Discussion in 'The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox' started by Protoevangel, Jul 4, 2014.

  1. Protoevangel

    Protoevangel Smash the Patriarchy!

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    While we enjoy our charred animal flesh (my favorite!), alcohol, and explosives:

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    It is good that we are free to protest hypocrisy, cruelty, and slaughter without fear of reprisal. Our real test will be to continue speak for our homeless and pre-born brothers and sisters when we no longer have the expectation of safety.
     
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  2. 127.0.0.1

    127.0.0.1 They rally 'round the family

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    Happy 4th everyone!
     
  3. gurneyhalleck1

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    Happy 4th to you, too, Dan! While the "charred animal flesh" is both sad and, in this mass food production disgusting modern setup we have, super inhumane and unhealthy, dude, I still wish you a happy day. At my house we'll celebrate in other ways. But the sentiment's the same!

    While I don't think we've really lived in a "real" republic for about 75 years or more now, at least pretending we live in the America of the Founding Fathers and Revolution sounds good! ROFL!
     
  4. ArmyMatt

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    happy 4th everyone!
     
  5. rusmeister

    rusmeister A Russified American Orthodox Chestertonian

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    Ditto from here in far-off Russia!
     
  6. RileyG

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    Happy 4th!!! :)

    That picture is incredibly depressing. May God have mercy upon us. :( :prayer:
     
  7. Sunshine Locket

    Sunshine Locket This isn't what the Genie in the bottle promised

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    Now that is the way to spit on America on her birthday! God forgive you OP.


    God bless America! And save her from her enemies, both foreign and domestic!:prayer:
     
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  9. gurneyhalleck1

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    I hate to be the fly in the ointment, but do any of you get a little less enthusiastic about these holidays and overall patriotism as the years go by? I look at Bush and how much insane power he gave to the Executive Branch, getting us in wars we didn't need, drones spying on us, the NSA spying on its own people, mass corruption in Washington to a stinking degree with smoke-filled room pork and lobbyist pandering, big business ruining America and government ruining America,etc.

    Then there is Obama, who criticized Bush for excesses with the Executive powers now he is doing the same dang thing right and left, most recently with the immigration situation. He has fought hard for an awareness campaign for sodomites and has created a country with openly-gay military cohabitation. He has fought for "transgenders" and defending the status quo on abortion and contraception, and the guy hasn't a clue about Christian morality. He has stuck his nose into every facet of American life from Arizona politics to Trayvon Martin, on and on. He is just as imperial a president as Bush.

    We have no morality in this nation, live in a post-Christian age, and consumerism and pansexuality rule the day. It is a hook-up culture rife with shallowness, and our entertainment by and large is quasi-pornographic.

    We are a violent culture. The most violent in the world. We use GMO's, screw up the environment, torture people, spy on anyone and everyone, and a handshake and a promise no longer mean much of anything.

    So while everyone is out there shooting off fireworks, I wonder if these thoughts cross their minds? Everything the Founding Fathers fought for is pretty much dead and we live in a bad clone of our former selves. The 4th of July means less each year that the principles that formed this nation are no longer in existence.

    Does anyone else feel frustrated like I do about this stuff? It seems like the 4th of July is just a cheesy excuse for people to light fireworks and barbecue. The principles are pretty much out of sight, out of mind, are they not?
     
  10. Knee V

    Knee V It's phonetic.

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    Me.
     
  11. topcare

    topcare The Eucharist is Life

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  12. topcare

    topcare The Eucharist is Life

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    No a thought from an idiot
     
  13. Gxg (G²)

    Gxg (G²) Pilgrim/Monastic on the Road to God (Psalm 84:1-7) CF Ambassadors Supporter

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    Dang..

    You went there. But it's true enough in regards to how much there are things within American culture NOT worth celebrating - the context of what Jeremiah Wright actually said is often ignored when it comes to his sermon and why he was doing the same thing other patriots of the U.S have noted. Du Bois shared the same sentiments when it came to patriot loving their own country enough to speak against it...

    And Fredrick Douglass did note at the time that the 4th of July to a Slave (or someone America refused to acknowledge) had a RADICALLY different meaning than it did to others. Specifically, Frederick Douglass, argued why it was odd for him to celebrate the 4th of July...for slavery was still happening and those so called rights did not apply to him or other slaves---and many of the Founding Fathers did nothing to fight against it or for the equality of blacks. The same would apply to Native Americans celebrating the 4th of July despite where they are not acknowledged. For his actual speech on the issue, one can go here and here. As said in Frederick Douglass’ July 5, 1852, Fourth of July speech, , in light of his past experiences as a slave:
    “What, to the American slave, is your 4th of July? I answer; a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sound of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciation of tyrants brass fronted impudence; your shout of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanks-givings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are to him, mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy — a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of the United States, at this very hour.

    Go where you may, search where you will, roam through all the monarchies and despotisms of the Old World, travel through South America, search out every abuse and when you have found the last, lay your facts by the side of the every-day practices of this nation, and you will say with me that, for revolting barbarity and shameless hypocrisy, America reigns without a rival.”

    To slaves - or the nations where we've exported a lot of mess globally via imperialism, colonialism, terrorism (including within our own borders), very bad morals in regards to how we treat others economically/morally and many other things, we do have a lot in common with those who bring bondage rather than true freedom.

    Happy 4th of July Regardless, of course, for all the things God has done in our nation despite its many flaws and the problem of American Exceptionalism. For the soldiers who did fight for us to even be able to have the freedom of conversation we have currently and to be able to have the opportunity of fixing wrongs that were done.
     
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  14. Gxg (G²)

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    Hoping everyone has a good day grilling and enjoying family. :)

    Happy 4th:D
     
  15. rusmeister

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    I don't think either a "mindless" (ie, indifferent to evils) patriotism OR a "Let's mourn on this day that speaks of evil" attitude to be right. We SHOULD love our country. Enough to both praise AND criticize it, but especially to be grateful for its being at all, for the good and despite the bad, because it formed us, our language, experience of climate, arrangement of neighbors and collection of wonders, as well its history, and both the prices paid for the good and a determination not to let the bad be repeated.

    Patriotism is a good thing, not a bad thing, as long as it is not brainless.
     
  16. ArmyMatt

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    brainless patriotism is just nationalism. that's the bad "ism" in my opinion.
     
  17. rusmeister

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    I think there is such a thing as good nationalism.

    Reading Chesterton taught me to think about words. What IS "nationalism"? Its use as an assumption of a bad thing is not thought, but rather rhetoric imposed on us in place of thought. The word should obviously mean "the approval of nations".

    Both nations and patriots are good things. I'm just saying we should define these terms, not assume them; iow, think about what these things are, consciously.
     
  18. gurneyhalleck1

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    I agree. I told Kate tonight, as she wanted me to drive she and the kids all over town looking at fireworks, that all these folks walking around watching the fireworks, to some degree, remind me of the zombies in Dawn of the Dead, the 1978 flick. In the movie a group of four human survivors fly in a helicopter escaping the zombie apocalypse and they land on the roof of a super sized mall. They break into the mall and there are zombies walking aimlessly around. Then there are zombies outside the mall desperately wanting to break in. Francine, the lone female character, asks the guys, "why are they here? What are they doing walking around? What are they looking for?" Peter says, "They're after the place. They don't know why; they just remember. Remember that they want to be in here. They're not after us. They're after the place."

    As the movie progresses, they take subtle digs at consumerism and the obsession with material gain and the keeping up with the joneses mentality of Americans.

    I think it was an interesting concept---the zombies just remember that the mall mattered to them. They didn't crowd over to the Church or to their homes or any place of depth, they went to the mall...an instinct buried in them from before they died---$$$$$

    I told Kate tonight that these people walking around look like zombies. They seem clueless. They don't know about the Revolution, the motivations behind it, the aftermath with the Articles of Confederation or the formation of the United States, the Bill of Rights, Constitution, or the concepts of liberty. They just feel this pull, like the zombies felt a pull to the mall, these folks feel a pull toward the fire works, that there is "something" good there...something.

    I used to get that feeling when I watched people at Mass as a Catholic. They mostly are uneducated, have zero clue what the Church teaches, but there is just "something" good there...they just migrate there like the zombies with some deep-seeded herd mentality.

    It's important to be patriotic to some degree, but I think if we were true patriots, we'd care more about issues facing our morality, care more about cleaning up the country with our faith, we'd speak out more, and we'd be fed up with the propaganda and false messiahs like Obama. I think this country is a mess. It's a nation of takers and moochers mostly. And, like the zombies, they just migrate to the newest 'in' thing.

    I wish we could get up the enthusiasm for exploding fireworks targeted at more impactful issues...

     
  19. RileyG

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    Very, very well said.
     
  20. ArmyMatt

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    I meant nationalism in the "my country is better than yours by default, our flaws are not as bad as yours, and our virtues are far greater" kinda thinking.
     
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