Halal Explained

[wn123455]

because racism!

I do not understand what you said. Please explain more.

 

[TG123]

Wirathu is respected because his view on islam is true. When Wirathu said islam influences the media it is true.


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When Hitler said that the Jews control the banks he must have been right also, since some very rich bankers are Jewish. I guess he was also right about Judaism being the same as communism, since Trotsky was Jewish.

So are you against the Judeo-Bolshevik banking system? Like Wirathu, Hitler was a very respected man, who had millions of people hanging on to his every word.

Why do you respect Wirathu but not Hitler?

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You have used al jazeera as a source before.

الجزيرة.نت

I hope al jazeera did not brainwash you into thinking Zionists control the media. You will never see al jazeera english publish this kind of stuff. But if you translate stuff from al jazeera arabic you will see this kind of stuff.

I don't believe that Zionists control the media. I also don't believe Muslims do. You are the one who has been brainwashed, not me.

 

[TG123]

Salaam Alaikum, WoodrowX.

There are 5 animals we are permitted to kill on sight.Crows, Kites, Mice, Scorpions and Rabid Dogs (this is from Ahadith, none are mentioned in the Qur'an) but even when killing these it is to be done swiftly and with as little pain as possible. Hunting is forbidden in Islam except for food. So even with the "permitted" animals we are not to go out deliberately looking for them

Thanks for sharing that. Can you find me any hadiths that specify how these animals are to be killed?

Side Bar: The particular hadith was narrated/witnessed by 7 different people 6 of them specify RABID dogs. One of them left out the word rabid. That is the witness most hate sites quote without ever mentioning the other 6 witnesses.

What a surprise. Of course, I am being sarcastic. Sadly, hate sites will pick and choose only what they want from a text, and ignore the rest.

There are ahadith that some people think command us to kill Salamanders


Salamander is mentioned in 4 ahadith compiled by Sahih Bukhari

1) Narrated 'Aisha the wife of the Prophet: Allah's Apostle called the salamander a bad animal, but I did not hear him ordering it to be killed." (Book #29, Hadith #57)

(2) Narrated Aisha: The Prophet called the salamander, a mischief-doer. I have not heard him ordering that it should be killed. Sad bin Waqqas claims that the Prophet ordered that it should be killed. (Book #54, Hadith #525)

(3) Narrated Um Sharik: That the Prophet ordered her to kill salamanders. (Book #54, Hadith #526)

(4) Narrated Um Sharik: Allah's Apostle ordered that the salamander should be killed and said, "It (i.e. the salamander) blew (the fire) on Abraham." (Book #55, Hadith #579)


From these Ahadith there does not seem to be a general permission or command to kill salamanders. but for some reason he told Sad bin Waqqas and um Sharik to do so.

But we do not know the conditions or reasons he told them to. Anyhow there is no command for all people to go around killing salamanders

Are you sure that all people going around and killing salamanders is not encouraged?

IslamQA posts a hadith of Muhammad saying that whoever kills a salamander with one blow will have some good deeds awarded to him, followed by a lower number awarded to those who use two blows, followed by a lower number to those who use three.

In Saheeh Muslim it is narrated via ‘Abd al-Razzaaq, Mu’ammar told us from al-Zuhri from ‘Aamir ibn Sa’d from his father that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said enjoined the killing of salamanders and called them mischief doers. Killing salamanders with one blow brings more reward than killing them with two blows. This was narrated in Saheeh Muslim via Khaalid ibn ‘Abd-Allaah from Suhayl ibn Abi Saalih from his father from Abu Hurayrah, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever kills a salamander with one blow will have such and such hasanah (good deeds); whoever kills it with the second blow will have such and such hasanah, less than the first; and whoever kills it with three blows will have such and such hasanah – less that the second.”

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Killing salamanders by hand - islamqa.info

Interestingly, I haven't been able to find this hadith on Search Engine: Search in the Quran القران الكريم and Hadith -- Learn about Islam and Muslims. Islamic Softwares, Azan, Athan, Qiblah, Prayer Times, Quran Hadith, Islamic Supplictaions, Azan Athan software for Mobile Cell Phone. , where I read the Bukhari and Muslim hadiths.

Even then we should do so swiftly and with minimal pain.

I can see that killing it with one blow brings about most blessings, but blessings are also awarded to those who use two or three blows. Obviously, this means that it is OK (though not the best option) to inflict some pain on the animal. There is no threat of hellfire mentioned for bashing a salamander to death, just less blessings that you'd get if you use only one blow.



I have to come out and say that I am not an animal rights activist. I do eat meat. I have to admit that I very rarely buy meat from organic and range fed animals, due to the fact that it costs so much.

I am not trying to make the case that Islam is barbaric towards animals. It isn't, and certainly it makes provisions for animal welfare that Christianity does not make.

However, I wouldn't argue that it is the system that teaches greatest compassion towards animals. Halal slaughter is more humane than other forms of slaughter, but there are more yet humane ways to kill animals for meat. My argument is not that Islam is a religion that encourages cruelty towards animals, but more that its teachings are not the most humane, there are other approaches that are yet more humane towards them. And again, as a consumer, I am not one to condemn anyone.

PS have you had a chance to read my reply on the thread below?
http://www.christianforums.com/t7813817/

 

[WoodrowX2]

BUT I pray over my food mentioning Jesus as Lord.

and??? that does not make the food any less halal. Any vegetable you buy is halal no matter what you do to it. A Muslim is still permitted to eat it.

We also pray over our food just before we eat.

Since you do not slaughter vegetables, we are still permitted to eat them no matter who prepares them as long as they do not add a haram product to them

There is no ritual we do to make vegetables Halal, nothing needs to be done to them to "Make" them halal. It is also almost impossible to make vegetables haram. You could mix ground up bugs in with them and that would do it.

 

[wn123455]

When Hitler said that the Jews control the banks he must have been right also, since some very rich bankers are Jewish. I guess he was also right about Judaism being the same as communism, since Trotsky was Jewish.

So are you against the Judeo-Bolshevik banking system? Like Wirathu, Hitler was a very respected man, who had millions of people hanging on to his every word.

Why do you respect Wirathu but not Hitler?



I don't believe that Zionists control the media. I also don't believe Muslims do. You are the one who has been brainwashed, not me.

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islamists are the ones trying to influence the banks. You accuse me of being brainwashed but you use al jazeera as a source.

 

[wn123455]

and??? that does not make the food any less halal. Any vegetable you buy is halal no matter what you do to it. A Muslim is still permitted to eat it.

We also pray over our food just before we eat.

Since you do not slaughter vegetables, we are still permitted to eat them no matter who prepares them as long as they do not add a haram product to them

There is no ritual we do to make vegetables Halal, nothing needs to be done to them to "Make" them halal. It is also almost impossible to make vegetables haram. You could mix ground up bugs in with them and that would do it.

If vegetables are watered using pig's urine would the vegetables be considered halal?

 

[WoodrowX2]

Salaam Alaikum, WoodrowX.


Thanks for sharing that. Can you find me any hadiths that specify how these animals are to be killed?

What a surprise. Of course, I am being sarcastic. Sadly, hate sites will pick and choose only what they want from a text, and ignore the rest.


Are you sure that all people going around and killing salamanders is not encouraged?

IslamQA posts a hadith of Muhammad saying that whoever kills a salamander with one blow will have some good deeds awarded to him, followed by a lower number awarded to those who use two blows, followed by a lower number to those who use three.

In Saheeh Muslim it is narrated via ‘Abd al-Razzaaq, Mu’ammar told us from al-Zuhri from ‘Aamir ibn Sa’d from his father that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said enjoined the killing of salamanders and called them mischief doers. Killing salamanders with one blow brings more reward than killing them with two blows. This was narrated in Saheeh Muslim via Khaalid ibn ‘Abd-Allaah from Suhayl ibn Abi Saalih from his father from Abu Hurayrah, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever kills a salamander with one blow will have such and such hasanah (good deeds); whoever kills it with the second blow will have such and such hasanah, less than the first; and whoever kills it with three blows will have such and such hasanah – less that the second.”

...


Killing salamanders by hand - islamqa.info

Interestingly, I haven't been able to find this hadith on Search Engine: Search in the Quran القران الكريم and Hadith -- Learn about Islam and Muslims. Islamic Softwares, Azan, Athan, Qiblah, Prayer Times, Quran Hadith, Islamic Supplictaions, Azan Athan software for Mobile Cell Phone. , where I read the Bukhari and Muslim hadiths.



I can see that killing it with one blow brings about most blessings, but blessings are also awarded to those who use two or three blows. Obviously, this means that it is OK (though not the best option) to inflict some pain on the animal. There is no threat of hellfire mentioned for bashing a salamander to death, just less blessings that you'd get if you use only one blow.



I have to come out and say that I am not an animal rights activist. I do eat meat. I have to admit that I very rarely buy meat from organic and range fed animals, due to the fact that it costs so much.

I am not trying to make the case that Islam is barbaric towards animals. It isn't, and certainly it makes provisions for animal welfare that Christianity does not make.

However, I wouldn't argue that it is the system that teaches greatest compassion towards animals. Halal slaughter is more humane than other forms of slaughter, but there are more yet humane ways to kill animals for meat. My argument is not that Islam is a religion that encourages cruelty towards animals, but more that its teachings are not the most humane, there are other approaches that are yet more humane towards them. And again, as a consumer, I am not one to condemn anyone.

PS have you had a chance to read my reply on the thread below?
http://www.christianforums.com/t7813817/

I can not find any specific ahadith that specify how the 5 permitted animals are to be killed. since there is no specific provision for them we have to assume we would have to treat them with as much kindness as possible.

From what I understand why those animals are permitted 2 are dangerous with no fear of humans (Rabid dogs and Scorpions) Some Scorpions in Arabia are quite deadly and will inhabit houses. Rabid dogs should be apparant. The other three were major pests with the out door markets and no refrigeration in that era.

 

[TG123]

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http://www.shariahfinancewatch.org/blog/

islamists are the ones trying to influence the banks. You accuse me of being brainwashed but you use al jazeera as a source.

You didn't answer my question. Why do you praise Wirathu but not Hitler?

I have yet to see any tangible evidence of Al Jazeera giving false information. They write more about West Papua then FOX.

 

[WoodrowX2]

If vegetables are watered using pig's urine would the vegetables be considered halal?

Yes, although it is doubtful you will ever find any plants watered with pig urine as it usually kills the plant. Kills plants faster than dog or cat urine. the water component of the urine is used by the plant. It is no longer urine that gets absorbed by the plant. Plants watered with pig urine are not going to contain any pig urine.

I used to raise pigs. You end up with no growing plants where pigs stay. What they don't eat the urine will kill.

the prohibition about eating pigs is that we are not to do so willingly and knowingly. If you were to convince me ground pork was ground tuna fish, there would be no harm in my eating it. the sin would be upon you for deceiving me

 

[wn123455]

You didn't answer my question. Why do you praise Wirathu but not Hitler?

I have yet to see any tangible evidence of Al Jazeera giving false information. They write more about West Papua then FOX.

I previously posted that articles saying fox is controlled by a saudi prince. I also previously posted an al jazeera arabic web page that implied Zionists controlled the media. Wirathu is a respected Buddhist monk. Why don't you try to compare prophet muhammad to Hitler? What Wirathu says about islam is true.

 

[WoodrowX2]

Sell your home to Muslims and you could be supporting Sharia Finance Law | BARE NAKED ISLAM

NEW JERSEY: Century Savings Bank in South Painfield has now become sharia-compliant | BARE NAKED ISLAM

New sharia row over Chancellor's plans for 'Islamic bonds' | Mail Online

Sharia-compliant MasterCard now points you toward Mecca | BARE NAKED ISLAM

http://www.shariahfinancewatch.org/blog/

islamists are the ones trying to influence the banks. You accuse me of being brainwashed but you use al jazeera as a source.

That is true. We are not permitted to pay interest on a loan. We are not able to use conventional banks for loans. However many non-Islamic banks are figuring out how to do La Riba (La Riba is Arabic for No Interest) loans and many non-Islamic Banks are beginning to offer La Riba loans.

 

[wn123455]

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Do muslims think it is halal to eat human organs?

 

[WoodrowX2]

Brothers butcher 'possessed' mother before eating her organs in Philippines ritual killing | Mail Online

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Do muslims think it is halal to eat human organs?

Read the story:

Police are looking into reports the family had a history of mental disorders but are not ruling out the role of drug abuse in the killing.
Senior Inspector Ronald De Leon, Ampatuan Chief of Police, said the suspects will undergo drug tests.
The three men are of the Moro indigenous ethnic Muslim race.

You ever consider the possibility this:

Police are looking into reports the family had a history of mental disorders but are not ruling out the role of drug abuse in the killing.

Had more to do with it then their being Muslims?

 

[wn123455]

Read the story:



You ever consider the possibility this:



Had more to do with it then their being Muslims?

Being muslim could be the reason. I linked you a story before that shows muslims using human meat for kebabs.

 

[WoodrowX2]

Being muslim could be the reason. I linked you a story before that shows muslims using human meat for kebabs.

I can not believe you are naive enough to believe that is permitted in Islam.

People are haram to eat. rumor has it they taste like pork. You should ask your friend in CAR if that is true.

 

[WoodrowX2]

Being muslim could be the reason. I linked you a story before that shows muslims using human meat for kebabs.

It is also possible they are apostates that converted to the CAR version of Christianity and are now following Mad Dog.

 

[wn123455]

Do muslims think it is halal to drink Christian blood?

Muslims Kill Christians And Drink Their Blood, And Say It Gives Them Salvation — Winds Of Jihad By SheikYerMami

 

[WoodrowX2]

Do muslims think it is halal to drink Christian blood?

Muslims Kill Christians And Drink Their Blood, And Say It Gives Them Salvation — Winds Of Jihad By SheikYerMami

You posted that before.

There has not been any evidence to back up the story.

 

[wn123455]

You posted that before.

There has not been any evidence to back up the story.

I have not posted this before. The other article I posted was about muslims killing Christians and bottling their blood.

 

[WoodrowX2]

I have not posted this before. The other article I posted was about muslims killing Christians and bottling their blood.

It was the same nun Sister Hatune Dogan and the same story posted on Shoebats site. this time it is addressing blood drinking instead of the selling for $1,000 a bottle. same story, same people, same nonsense except this time changing it to drinking instead of washing their hands with it.

Still no verification that it ever happened.