Gun toting church prepares for the Deep state war to come

[civilwarbuff]

Why would you need a military weapon?

It is not a military weapon......

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

Why would you need a military weapon? There is no need for such a rifle outside of military use. Of course, paramilitary wannabees think they are cool, but that's their problem.

I appreciate well made things. AR-15's are not commonly full auto, so they are not "military weapons" per se. Still, why should We the People be underpowered?

 

[PreppedNsaved]

I'm not so sure I would call the Branch Davidians a "religious group", and their leader David Koresh was certainly not anything but a demon. If any "religious" group is armed to the teeth and opens fire on Federal officers they deserve what they got.

Plenty of debate can be had about what actually happened there, but we won't go into that now since it's off-topic.

 

[PreppedNsaved]

Why would you need a military weapon? There is no need for such a rifle outside of military use. Of course, paramilitary wannabees think they are cool, but that's their problem.

It's also their legal choice to make.

 

[The Barbarian]

This at a time when the Democrats have the White House and the Congress? Looks like history is about to repeat. "Paging Janet Reno...."

These guys appear to just be gun nuts and religious fanatics. No evidence that they are into breaking firearms laws, or sexually molesting children as the Branch Davidians were.

And so long as they don't bother anyone else, and obey the laws, they're entitled to have their guns and their rather weird religion.

 

[The Barbarian]

It's also their legal choice to make.

Right. So long as they obey the law, they have every right to keep weapons. Second Amendment and all that.

 

[PreppedNsaved]

Right. So long as they obey the law, they have every right to keep weapons. Second Amendment and all that.

I just hope the government will respect that right and not do again what they did in 1993.

 

[Taodeching]

This at a time when the Democrats have the White House and the Congress? Looks like history is about to repeat. "Paging Janet Reno...."

I was thinking the same thing

 

[The Barbarian]

I just hope the government will respect that right and not do again what they did in 1993.

Enforce the law? That's how it works. If you don't like a law, work to change it. Don't just break the law and expect no consequences.

Don't blame the police for enforcing laws. They aren't the ones who make them.

 

[PreppedNsaved]

Enforce the law? That's how it works. If you don't like a law, work to change it. Don't just break the law and expect no consequences.

Don't blame the police for enforcing laws. They aren't the ones who make them.

What laws were they supposedly enforcing in 1993?

 

[The Barbarian]

What laws were they supposedly enforcing in 1993?

The McLennan County Sheriff's Department asked ATF to investigate possible federal gun violations in May 1992, after a UPS driver reported delivering big shipments of gun parts, ammo, grenade hulls and chemicals and military gear to Koresh and his followers. The sheriff's department also had reports of explosions and automatic gunfire at Mount Carmel, the sect's property. ATF investigators determined the group was amassing an arsenal, including the means to make illegal weapons. Former followers told ATF before its raid — and at least five surviving Davidians testified afterward — that Koresh taught his followers that he was the Lamb of God and the weapons were for an apocalyptic battle in which they would all be killed; he would be resurrected along with faithful followers to slaughter and judge God's enemies.
Breaking through the myths surrounding the 1993 Branch Davidian raid

So acting on the request and information from the local sheriff (who requested the investigation), they concluded (correctly, as it turns out) that Koresh was building an arsenal, including illegal weapons and explosives. This was confirmed by Koresh's own followers.

 

[PreppedNsaved]

The McLennan County Sheriff's Department asked ATF to investigate possible federal gun violations in May 1992, after a UPS driver reported delivering big shipments of gun parts, ammo, grenade hulls and chemicals and military gear to Koresh and his followers. The sheriff's department also had reports of explosions and automatic gunfire at Mount Carmel, the sect's property. ATF investigators determined the group was amassing an arsenal, including the means to make illegal weapons. Former followers told ATF before its raid — and at least five surviving Davidians testified afterward — that Koresh taught his followers that he was the Lamb of God and the weapons were for an apocalyptic battle in which they would all be killed; he would be resurrected along with faithful followers to slaughter and judge God's enemies.
Breaking through the myths surrounding the 1993 Branch Davidian raid

So acting on the request and information from the local sheriff (who requested the investigation), they concluded (correctly, as it turns out) that Koresh was building an arsenal, including illegal weapons and explosives. This was confirmed by Koresh's own followers.

People build arsenals all the time. All one needs to do is buy more than one firearm. In the case we're talking about, a 100 gun arsenal could be had if each of 100 members in the group simply purchased one gun. Nothing illegal there.

 

[The Barbarian]

People build arsenals all the time.

But the sheriff was tipped off that this weapons stockpile included illegal material and weapons. So the asked for an investigation.

And the Davidians themselves later admitted that there were violations. Don't blame the cops for enforcing the law; they didn't make the law.

 

[pescador]

I appreciate well made things. AR-15's are not commonly full auto, so they are not "military weapons" per se. Still, why should We the People be underpowered?

1) A weapon doesn't have to be fully automatic to be a military weapon.
2) "We the People" will always be "underpowered" compared to the military. As just one example, how many heat-seeking missiles are in private hands? The military will always have armament superior to what "the people" have.

BTW, what is it about "a well-regulated militia" that you don't understand? We have that already in the form of the police.

 

[civilwarbuff]

BTW, what is it about "a well-regulated militia" that you don't understand? We have that already in the form of the police.

And THEY are the real concern to loss of freedom......the very people you see every day. And with all the talk about police misconduct (which IIRC you have largely agreed with) how can you consider them a 'well regulated militia'? Doesn't seem to be too 'well regulated' to me according to the narratives.

 

[PreppedNsaved]

And THEY are the real concern to loss of freedom......the very people you see every day. And with all the talk about police misconduct (which IIRC you have largely agreed with) how can you consider them a 'well regulated militia'? Doesn't seem to be too 'well regulated' to me according to the narratives.

It'll be the rationale for federalizing the police. Then the feds will be in charge of all enforcement of whatever they decide to mandate against We the People.
Ironically, some find that comforting.

 

[The Barbarian]

It'll be the rationale for federalizing the police.

Trump already tried that. He even attempted to install federal police in places, with no identification or accountability, much as Putin's federal police operate. He failed. So there is that. I notice a lot of people here denounced his attempt. Some others here, didn't.

Which, I suppose, isn't that surprising.

 

[pescador]

It'll be the rationale for federalizing the police. Then the feds will be in charge of all enforcement of whatever they decide to mandate against We the People.
Ironically, some find that comforting.

Apparently you haven't heard of the FBI, the National Guard, or the Department of Justice. I find those organizations and the people who are dedicated to our safety, peace, and general welfare to be worthy of our respect and admiration (if we are law-abiding).

 

[PreppedNsaved]

Trump already tried that. He even attempted to install federal police in places, with no identification or accountability, much as Putin's federal police operate. He failed. So there is that. I notice a lot of people here denounced his attempt. Some others here, didn't.

Which, I suppose, isn't that surprising.

They weren't being "installed". They were sent there to deal with the rioters that the local law enforcement couldn't handle, or weren't allowed to by their superiors. They weren't any more "installed" than National Guard members are installed in any of the places they were temporarily patrolling.

 

[PreppedNsaved]

Apparently you haven't heard of the FBI, the National Guard, or the Department of Justice. I find those organizations and the people who are dedicated to our safety, peace, and general welfare to be worthy of our respect and admiration (if we are law-abiding).

So are local police officers.