LDS Greater gods and lesser gods

[Rescued One]

Still not actually doctrine. We both know this Phoebe. Why do you quote it then? Are you hoping that some person not familiar with LDS doctrine won't know that?

I'm not hoping anything other than to glorify the One True God. I'm posting what the Corporation of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches. Why should anyone believe your words over theirs?

 

[Jane_Doe]

I'm not hoping anything other than to glorify the One True God.

Then glorify Him by telling people what you believe to be True! That is a great an praise worthy thing!

Posting newspapers that aren't anyone's doctrine... I don't see how that's glorifying anyone. Would you care to explain it to me?

 

[Rescued One]

Then glorify Him by telling people what you believe to be True! That is a great an praise worthy thing!

Posting newspapers that aren't anyone's doctrine... I don't see how that's glorifying anyone. Would you care to explain it to me?

I didn't post a newspaper. I posted what was written and published by the Corporation of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I don't need to explain it to you. You need to explain why the Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints published it as a Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide. And you aren't the President of your church so no Mormon has to rely on your teachings. President Spencer W. Kimball was your prophet that year.

 

[Jane_Doe]

I didn't post a newspaper.

"Deseret News" and "Church News" are literally newspapers.

I posted what was written and published by the Corporation of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I don't need to explain it to you. You need to explain why the Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints published it as a Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide. And you aren't the President of your church so no Mormon has to rely on your teachings. President Spencer W. Kimball was your prophet that year.

This is a complete strawman argument. None of your random quotes are actual doctrine and there's no reason for me to respond to things like newspaper articles.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Ah, the old "it's not doctrine" curtain...

The lds church must be teaching false doctrine then.

 

[withwonderingawe]

Ah, the old "it's not doctrine" curtain...

The lds church must be teaching false doctrine then.

It's the way she presents the doctrine which makes it not doctrine

 

[BigDaddy4]

It's they she presents the doctrine which makes it not doctrine

Say what?

 

[Jane_Doe]

Ah, the old "it's not doctrine" curtain...

If anyone wanted to quote actual doctrine in these threads, they are welcome to. But for some reason we get newspaper quotes instead. I'm trying to understand why.

 

[Rescued One]

It's the way she presents the doctrine which makes it not doctrine

Baloney.

 

[withwonderingawe]

She is quoting from doctrines of the Gospel Student manual

Jesus is greater than the Holy Spirit, which is subject unto him, but his Father is greater than he! He has said it. Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!” (Doctrines of Salvation, 1:18).
Book of Mormon Student Manual, 1989, Alma 7:10, p.74

God is the Supreme Being in the universe.

1. God the Father is greater than all (see Ephesians 4:6; John 10:29).
   
   
2. As the Supreme Being, God the Father should be the object of our love and worship (see D&C 18:40; 20:29; Joshua 22:5; Mark 12:30; D&C 4:2;Luke 4:8).
   Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual Chapter 3: God the Eternal Father

What it doesn't say is and you can't give Jesus or the Holy Ghost any worship or love.

The introduction of the lesson says

"The scriptures do not always specify which member of the Godhead is being referred to in a given passage. Since the Father and the Son are one in all things, the scripture references used in this chapter that speak of God are applied to the Father, though many may also apply to the Son. The perfections and attributes of one are also the perfections and attributes of the other."

She doesn't go to the next chapter to see what is said about Jesus, and the quote from Apostles Neal Maxwell

“We can trust, worship, and even adore Him without any reservation! As the only Perfect Person to sojourn on this planet, there is none like Him! (See Isa. 46:9.)

“In intelligence and performance, He far surpasses the individual and the composite capacities andachievements of all who have lived, live now, and will yet live! (See Abr. 3:19.)

“He rejoices in our genuine goodness and achievement, but any assessment of where we stand in relation to Him tells us that we do not stand at all! We kneel!” (Neal A. Maxwell, in Conference Report, Oct. 1981, 9; or Ensign, Nov. 1981, 8).

 

[BigDaddy4]

If anyone wanted to quote actual doctrine in these threads, they are welcome to. But for some reason we get newspaper quotes instead. I'm trying to understand why.

So forget about the teachings of current and past prophets, if they appear in these newspapers and/or publications you so easily disregard? So much for sustaining your prophets...

Dismiss church teachings in officially published teaching manuals if it's not doctrine? That would seem to indicate your church is teaching false doctrine...

Is this doctrine?
The doctrine of a Heavenly Mother is a cherished and distinctive belief among Latter-day Saints.
Mother in Heaven

Not found in your 4 standard works, but your church claims it's doctrine. A highly regarded one at that.

 

[BigDaddy4]

She is quoting from doctrines of the Gospel Student manual

Is your church teaching false doctrine, since it's quoting and including non-doctrinal sources in its official publications and teaching manuals?

 

[Jane_Doe]

Is your church teaching false doctrine, since it's quoting and including non-doctrinal sources in its official publications and teaching manuals?

You totally ignored the rest the very nice post WWA's wrote for you.

 

[BigDaddy4]

It's the way she presents the doctrine which makes it not doctrine

Do you realize the contradiction in your statement? A doctrine is not a doctrine based on how it's presented??

 

[BigDaddy4]

You totally ignored the rest the very nice post WWA's wrote for you.

You mean this part, which, if you are consistent, should not meet your approval since it's not from a doctrinal source:

“He rejoices in our genuine goodness and achievement, but any assessment of where we stand in relation to Him tells us that we do not stand at all! We kneel!” (Neal A. Maxwell, in Conference Report, Oct. 1981, 9; or Ensign, Nov. 1981, 8).

And you continue to ignore Heavenly Mother. Why is that?

 

[Jane_Doe]

You mean this part, which, if you are consistent, should not meet your approval since it's not from a doctrinal source:

She spent her time writing you a thorough response to your question. Are you going to read the answer to your question?

And you continue to ignore Heavenly Mother. Why is that?

Nice complete redherring

 

[Ironhold]

So forget about the teachings of current and past prophets, if they appear in these newspapers and/or publications you so easily disregard? So much for sustaining your prophets...

Look at it this way.

You're doing a research paper.

Would you settle for a Wikipedia article on a topic to get a quick primer, or would you want to see if there's an actual "quick study" guide written by a professor in that field?

Phoebe is basically doing the former: instead of going to the actual manuals, she's settling for something that's been filtered down.

 

[Rescued One]

She is quoting from doctrines of the Gospel Student manual


What it doesn't say is and you can't give Jesus or the Holy Ghost any worship or love.

The introduction of the lesson says

"The scriptures do not always specify which member of the Godhead is being referred to in a given passage. Since the Father and the Son are one in all things, the scripture references used in this chapter that speak of God are applied to the Father, though many may also apply to the Son. The perfections and attributes of one are also the perfections and attributes of the other."

She doesn't go to the next chapter to see what is said about Jesus, and the quote from Apostles Neal Maxwell

“We can trust, worship, and even adore Him without any reservation! As the only Perfect Person to sojourn on this planet, there is none like Him! (See Isa. 46:9.)

“In intelligence and performance, He far surpasses the individual and the composite capacities andachievements of all who have lived, live now, and will yet live! (See Abr. 3:19.)

“He rejoices in our genuine goodness and achievement, but any assessment of where we stand in relation to Him tells us that we do not stand at all! We kneel!” (Neal A. Maxwell, in Conference Report, Oct. 1981, 9; or Ensign, Nov. 1981, 8).

How many times are we going to repeat this conversation? If you care to tell us that the Father is not greater than the Son, have at it! If you worship all three of your gods, do as you like.

 

[Rescued One]

She is quoting from doctrines of the Gospel Student manual

Really? I used two official lesson manuals.

Mormonism
Jesus is greater than the Holy Spirit, which is subject unto him, but his Father is greater than he! He has said it. Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!” (Doctrines of Salvation, 1:18).
Book of Mormon Student Manual, 1989, Alma 7:10, p.74

What it doesn't say is and you can't give Jesus or the Holy Ghost any worship or love.

The introduction of the lesson says

"The scriptures do not always specify which member of the Godhead is being referred to in a given passage. Since the Father and the Son are one in all things, the scripture references used in this chapter that speak of God are applied to the Father, though many may also apply to the Son. The perfections and attributes of one are also the perfections and attributes of the other."

She doesn't go to the next chapter to see what is said about Jesus, and the quote from Apostles Neal Maxwell

“We can trust, worship, and even adore Him without any reservation! As the only Perfect Person to sojourn on this planet, there is none like Him! (See Isa. 46:9.)

It is a contradiction to: "As the Supreme Being, God the Father should be the object of our love and worship (see D&C 18:40; 20:29; Joshua 22:5; Mark 12:30; D&C 4:2;Luke 4:8)."
Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual Chapter 3: God the Eternal Father

As the Supreme Being, God the Father should be the object of our love and worship (see D&C 18:40; 20:29; Joshua 22:5; Mark 12:30; D&C 4:2;Luke 4:8).


I'm sincerely sorry if English doesn't make sense to you. I guess my talent doesn't lie in teaching English as a second language.

 

[Rescued One]

You mean this part, which, if you are consistent, should not meet your approval since it's not from a doctrinal source:

And you continue to ignore Heavenly Mother. Why is that?

I think perhaps they would have a problem worshiping a goddess who took an oath to obey her husband. ???