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"Great Fast" & Copts

Discussion in 'The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox' started by Gideon4God, Mar 9, 2003.

  1. Gideon4God

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    Is Great Lent different for the Coptic Church?

    Gideon
     
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  2. The Squalid Wanderer

    The Squalid Wanderer The Fool

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    Do you mean the dates for it to start? If so then no, it is not different from the Orthodox Church. Both churches, use the Julian calendar to calculate Easter, and Lent is determined from that date.
     
  3. CopticOrthodox

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    We fast for 55 days (40 days of Lent + 1 week of fasting in preparation for Lent + the Holy Pascal week between Palm Sunday and Ressurection Sunday).  There is also a 3 day fast of Nineva in preparation shortly beforhand, but with a period of non-fasting in between.  The date of the Ressurection is by the Coptic Calander, upon which the Julian Calander is based.  During these 55 days there are no fish allowed.  People fast until a certain hour, determined with their Father of Confession, and then remain vegan for the remainder of the day.  During the Pascal week we also do not eat anything sweet.  It is traditional to have only bread water and salt for the Pascal week, but this is not required.  People who are unable to fast for the entier period can receive permission from their Father of Confession to fast for a shorter period, but the Pascal week is the minimum that everyone must fast, baring illness or other special conditions.
     
  4. Gideon4God

    Gideon4God Regular Member

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    Copts really set the bar high when it comes to personal holiness by way of fasting.

    Gideon
     
  5. CopticOrthodox

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    The Ethiopian Orthodox (another Oriental Orthodox Church) have a little bit more fasting than us, I think we're #2.  Thankfully they go easy on converts like me at first at least :)
     
  6. Gideon4God

    Gideon4God Regular Member

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    Does a union exist between the two Church's? 

    gideon
     
  7. CopticOrthodox

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    What two Churches? The Copts and the Ethiopians? The Oriental Church consists of: The Coptic Orthodox, The Indian Orthodox, The Syrian Orthodox, the Armenian Orthodox, the Ethiopian Orthodox, the Eritrian Orthodox, and the British Orthodox. All one Church in full Communion. Each Church largely keeps to itself, but we all share the same faith and Communion.
     
  8. Gideon4God

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    Each has a Bishop that is the "head" of their Church, right?  Two Church's united in one Faith.
     
  9. CopticOrthodox

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    Yes, of the ones listed has a Patriarch, except for the British Orthodox. The Coptic Church is headed by the Pope, the Ethiopian Church by the Abouna, the Armenians by the Supreme Catholicos, same for the Indians, the British are headed by Metropolitan Seraphim, who is directly under Pope Shenouda, and a member of the Holy Synod of the Coptic Church (it's cool seeing a white guy in the pictures of the synod). I'm not sure if the Eritrians have a patriarch or if they're under Pope Shenouda. All the patriarchs are equal.

    It's just like the Eastern Orthodox, except we don't have one who has greater honour than the others, like the Greek Patriarch.
     
  10. Gideon4God

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    I was under the impression that the Coptic Pope stood out, like the Greek Patriarch?
     
  11. ThePilgrim

    ThePilgrim Veteran

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    I was unaware that the Alexandrian Patriarch didn't hold any position of honor. Do the Oriental Orthodox not have diptychs and hold to the ordering laid down by the early councils?

    Grace and peace,
    Sbn John

    (My turn to resurrect a thread ;-) )
     
  12. Monica child of God 1

    Monica child of God 1 strives to live eschatologically

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    Ahhh! Night of the Living Thread!!!

    M.
     
  13. ArmyMatt

    ArmyMatt Regular Member Supporter

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    hahaha, good one Monica
     
  14. Coptic.Ray

    Coptic.Ray Alexandrian

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    I guess the Copts where never fans of sorting bishops. I read somewhere that Timothy the Pope of Alexandria left the council of Constantinople when they began to talk about the ranking stuff.
    Among the Oriental Orthodox Churches there is no ranking really. The Churches of Ethiopia and Eritrea are daughter churches of the Coptic church, thus they look up to the Coptic Church kind of thing. That is all as far as I know!
     
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