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Actual language from a preamble of a “church constitution”….a graven image:

We “do ordain and establish this church constitution, to which we voluntarily and solemnly submit ourselves”.

How can this be when we are told not to subject ourselves to man’s ordinances (man’s written commandments) that he has written for himself to self-govern…to serve and worship?

The “rudiments” are the “fundamental principles” of which a “constitution” is. We belong under the kingdom/reign of God and not the church handwritings of fleshly-minded men.

Colossians 2:20-23 KJV
(20) Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
(21) (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
(22) Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
(23) Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.


We are not to make idols nor graven images….that is, man’s graven handwritings of ordinances.

Yet, we find in every church “statements of faith, church constitutions, church bylaws, dogmas, etc, etc, etc).

Many are serving (working) and worshipping their own fabrications...their own handwritings ...and are using them to judge themselves and others with. It has become another “god”….another Elohim or JUDGE...when there is only One Judge .

They have been established in every church gathering. They are a “standing image”….handwritings of men that are highly exalted and established in every church. They do not move from their position in the churches of men. Men perish with the using of them as these documents are passed down to future generations to keep and revere.

I am the LORD your God = there should not be another JUDGE (Elohim) found in a lifeless, handwritten document of man that is being used to judge others with.

The LORD is the Living One (the I AM) who is THE Judge of all. Why judge another using the handwritings of dogmas? There is only One Lawgiver (not the “laws” found in man’s handwritings). There is only One Judge (one God).

Leviticus 26:1 KJV
(1) Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.


The handwriting of church ordinances is an abomination unto the LORD.

They are the work of the hands of the craftsman. They are a “graven” image….a molten image.

And they are placed in the holy place (the secret place = covering) where it should not be found. Only the blood of Christ atones….covers…us and not the “works of righteousness” as decreed in the church handwritings of fleshly-minded men.

Deuteronomy 27:15 KJV
(15) Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen.


Men have placed their handwritings of dogmas in the places of the worship of God. They have made the “images” of their abominations and have set their detestable things therein. They set them up in their gatherings. They are established and do not move from there.

Ezekiel 7:20-22 KJV
(20) As for the beauty of his ornament, he set it in majesty: but they made the images of their abominations and of their detestable things therein: therefore have I set it far from them.
(21) And I will give it into the hands of the strangers for a prey, and to the wicked of the earth for a spoil; and they shall pollute it.


They pollute the holy place (His secret place) with their images….their handwritings.

(22) My face will I turn also from them, and they shall pollute my secret place: for the robbers shall enter into it, and defile it.

We are not redeemed with the decayed things….the church handwritings of the church scribes…which do not save the mortal flesh of anyone. They are “graven images” found where they do not belong…in the place of His worship.

The church documents were made by man’s wisdom (gold) and man’s understanding (silver). They are considered precious handwritings to those who serve and revere them. They also enrich themselves using them.

These handwritings of ordinances by the church “fathers” that have been passed down from one generation to another cannot redeem us . We cannot be atoned for by the working of them….their so-called “works of righteousness” as decreed in their handwritings.

1 Peter 1:18-20 KJV
(18) Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;


Only with the precious blood of Christ as a lamb without blemish and without spot can we be redeemed. We must keep His daily sacrifice in our lives now in this earth so that His eternal life can appear in our mortal flesh.

(19) But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
(20) Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,


The church handwritings of ordinances (dogmas) are the “graven images” that are placed into the places of the worship of God where they should not be found. They are highly exalted inside the churches of men.

The graven images contain what man thinks in his own mind (dogma = what one thinks is right) are the correct works of righteousness….but are carnal commandments of men.

The “graven image”…the handwriting of ordinances…are “shadows” of things to come. Image = shade, shadow. These church handwriting of ordinances cannot save us.

Colossians 2:14-18 KJV
(14) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
(15) And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.


They are a “shadow”…an image. Their shadows have been wrested out of the Scriptures and placed into their handwritings that many serve and worship. They resemble the outside world’s constitutions and documents that govern the nations that do not worship God nor do His commandments. Many are using them to judge themselves and others as well. they are other gods...other elohim that have no life...rather than the One Living Judge.

(16) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(17) Which are a shadow of things to come
; but the body is of Christ.


Let no man beguile (defraud) you of the eternal life of Jesus by leading you into the voluntary submission to his handwritings (the worshipping of “angels”/messages). They are robbers who seek to deceive us.

Yet, many go to “church” where they voluntarily, humbly, solemnly submit themselves to the handwritings of dogmas that they think is correct. They do them and defend them.

(18) Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Again, these handwritings of dogmas are man’s church “ordinances”….the commandments and teachings of men.

Why be subject to man’s ordinances (dogmas) of what he thinks is correct? There are many church handwritings found in every gathering.

One such document is the “statement of faith” of what one believes is true and correct….DOGMAS of men…that many voluntarily and solemnly submit themselves to. The “rudiments” are the “fundamental principles” that man has written for himself and have placed into every church gathering.

Many church “constitutions” (rudiments = fundamental principles) are found in every church organization and are patterned after the world’s self-governing documents. They seek to self-govern themselves via their handwritings that they “voluntarily and solemnly” submit themselves to rather than submit to the kingdom of God.
 

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Actual language from a preamble of a “church constitution”….a graven image:

We “do ordain and establish this church constitution, to which we voluntarily and solemnly submit ourselves”.

How can this be when we are told not to subject ourselves to man’s ordinances (man’s written commandments) that he has written for himself to self-govern…to serve and worship?

The “rudiments” are the “fundamental principles” of which a “constitution” is. We belong under the kingdom/reign of God and not the church handwritings of fleshly-minded men.

Colossians 2:20-23 KJV
(20) Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
(21) (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
(22) Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
(23) Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.


We are not to make idols nor graven images….that is, man’s graven handwritings of ordinances.

Yet, we find in every church “statements of faith, church constitutions, church bylaws, dogmas, etc, etc, etc).

Many are serving (working) and worshipping their own fabrications...their own handwritings ...and are using them to judge themselves and others with. It has become another “god”….another Elohim or JUDGE...when there is only One Judge .

They have been established in every church gathering. They are a “standing image”….handwritings of men that are highly exalted and established in every church. They do not move from their position in the churches of men. Men perish with the using of them as these documents are passed down to future generations to keep and revere.

I am the LORD your God = there should not be another JUDGE (Elohim) found in a lifeless, handwritten document of man that is being used to judge others with.

The LORD is the Living One (the I AM) who is THE Judge of all. Why judge another using the handwritings of dogmas? There is only One Lawgiver (not the “laws” found in man’s handwritings). There is only One Judge (one God).

Leviticus 26:1 KJV
(1) Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.


The handwriting of church ordinances is an abomination unto the LORD.

They are the work of the hands of the craftsman. They are a “graven” image….a molten image.

And they are placed in the holy place (the secret place = covering) where it should not be found. Only the blood of Christ atones….covers…us and not the “works of righteousness” as decreed in the church handwritings of fleshly-minded men.

Deuteronomy 27:15 KJV
(15) Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen.


Men have placed their handwritings of dogmas in the places of the worship of God. They have made the “images” of their abominations and have set their detestable things therein. They set them up in their gatherings. They are established and do not move from there.

Ezekiel 7:20-22 KJV
(20) As for the beauty of his ornament, he set it in majesty: but they made the images of their abominations and of their detestable things therein: therefore have I set it far from them.
(21) And I will give it into the hands of the strangers for a prey, and to the wicked of the earth for a spoil; and they shall pollute it.


They pollute the holy place (His secret place) with their images….their handwritings.

(22) My face will I turn also from them, and they shall pollute my secret place: for the robbers shall enter into it, and defile it.

We are not redeemed with the decayed things….the church handwritings of the church scribes…which do not save the mortal flesh of anyone. They are “graven images” found where they do not belong…in the place of His worship.

The church documents were made by man’s wisdom (gold) and man’s understanding (silver). They are considered precious handwritings to those who serve and revere them. They also enrich themselves using them.

These handwritings of ordinances by the church “fathers” that have been passed down from one generation to another cannot redeem us . We cannot be atoned for by the working of them….their so-called “works of righteousness” as decreed in their handwritings.

1 Peter 1:18-20 KJV
(18) Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;


Only with the precious blood of Christ as a lamb without blemish and without spot can we be redeemed. We must keep His daily sacrifice in our lives now in this earth so that His eternal life can appear in our mortal flesh.

(19) But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
(20) Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,


The church handwritings of ordinances (dogmas) are the “graven images” that are placed into the places of the worship of God where they should not be found. They are highly exalted inside the churches of men.

The graven images contain what man thinks in his own mind (dogma = what one thinks is right) are the correct works of righteousness….but are carnal commandments of men.

The “graven image”…the handwriting of ordinances…are “shadows” of things to come. Image = shade, shadow. These church handwriting of ordinances cannot save us.

Colossians 2:14-18 KJV
(14) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
(15) And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.


They are a “shadow”…an image. Their shadows have been wrested out of the Scriptures and placed into their handwritings that many serve and worship. They resemble the outside world’s constitutions and documents that govern the nations that do not worship God nor do His commandments. Many are using them to judge themselves and others as well. they are other gods...other elohim that have no life...rather than the One Living Judge.

(16) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(17) Which are a shadow of things to come
; but the body is of Christ.


Let no man beguile (defraud) you of the eternal life of Jesus by leading you into the voluntary submission to his handwritings (the worshipping of “angels”/messages). They are robbers who seek to deceive us.

Yet, many go to “church” where they voluntarily, humbly, solemnly submit themselves to the handwritings of dogmas that they think is correct. They do them and defend them.

(18) Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Again, these handwritings of dogmas are man’s church “ordinances”….the commandments and teachings of men.

Why be subject to man’s ordinances (dogmas) of what he thinks is correct? There are many church handwritings found in every gathering.

One such document is the “statement of faith” of what one believes is true and correct….DOGMAS of men…that many voluntarily and solemnly submit themselves to. The “rudiments” are the “fundamental principles” that man has written for himself and have placed into every church gathering.

Many church “constitutions” (rudiments = fundamental principles) are found in every church organization and are patterned after the world’s self-governing documents. They seek to self-govern themselves via their handwritings that they “voluntarily and solemnly” submit themselves to rather than submit to the kingdom of God.

You must be referring to something like:

"We, the members of Harbor Reformed Baptist Church, do ordain and establish the following
Articles, to which we voluntarily and solemnly submit ourselves."


Preamble
 
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A congregation has to have a constitution for legal reasons. They would not be able to own or lease a building, have a membership within most denominations, hire a pastor, etc.

That's a good point... But also, it might be helpful for @orbiter to consider the idea that congregations aren't so much exclusionary as they are places for people who feel drawn towards a particular focus within the faith...

...Sort of like how the Benedictines, Franciscans, Jesuits, Carmelites, etc., all have various focuses within the Catholic Church.. Likewise, maybe different Congregations, with various Constitutions, have different focuses within greater Christianity.
 
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The like-sounding “submission” language can be found in all church constitutions (fundamental principles/rudiments/elements) in some fashion.

The body of Christ is not just another “organization” of the world so that it needs man’s handwriting of ordinances in order to function and be protected.

Christ is our Head and we are complete in Him and do not need the “rudiments” …the church constitutions of men…that are patterned after the world’s constitutions to act in place of the Head. They have been written and placed into our churches by men who do not have the mind of Christ.

We are to beware of men who spoil us with their church handwritings that seem “wise” to keep but are patterned after the godless, outside nations documents…after the “rudiments” of the world.

Colossians 2:8-10 KJV
(8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
(9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
(10) And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:


The graven images….the handwritings of the outside world that they self-govern themselves with…are not to be copied and placed in our churches.

They must not be found in our “house”….for it is an abomination to the LORD our God (JUDGE).

The outside nations judge themselves and each other using their “gods”…their handwritings that act as their judges. They serve and “worship” their lifeless handwritings that they govern themselves with rather than serve and worship God in the kingdom/reign of God.

Deuteronomy 7:25-26 KJV
(25) The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therein: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God.


It…the handwriting of ordinances…is dedicated to destruction. The “rudiments” of the world burn….the elements burn.

(26) Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing.


It is going after the nations when we desire to take their documents of self-government (made after the similitude of them) and make them ours in our churches. We are then “polluted” with their idols when we establish them in our places of worship.

Ezekiel 23:30 KJV
(30) I will do these things unto thee, because thou hast gone a whoring after the heathen, and because thou art polluted with their idols.


The elements burn us by the using of them. We perish with the using of them.

Colossians 2:20-22 KJV
(20) Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
(21) (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
(22) Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men?


The church handwriting of ordinances is the “abomination of desolation” standing (established) in the holy place…where it should not be as spoken by “Daniel” which means “God is my Judge”….and our Judge is not a man’s lifeless handwriting of ordinances but is the Living One.

Matthew 24:15-16 KJV
(15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
(16) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:


“…whoso readeth, let him understand”:

Daniel, a royal scribe, was the only one who could read and understand the handwriting on the wall which was written like a parody of man’s formal decrees contained in their handwritings.

Daniel 5:8 KJV
(8) Then came in all the king's wise men: but they could not read the writing, nor make known to the king the interpretation thereof.


“…whoso readeth, let him understand”:

Daniel 5:17 KJV
(17) Then Daniel answered and said before the king, Let thy gifts be to thyself, and give thy rewards to another; yet I will read the writing unto the king, and make known to him the interpretation.


Men rejoice and praise their church handwritings…..their “gods of gold, and of silver, of brass….”

They have taken/wrested some of God’s commandments out of the Scriptures ….out of the temple of the house of God…and have placed them in their handwriting of ordinances.

Daniel 5:3-4 KJV
(3) Then they brought the golden vessels that were taken out of the temple of the house of God which was at Jerusalem; and the king, and his princes, his wives, and his concubines, drank in them.
(4) They drank wine, and praised the gods of gold, and of silver, of brass, of iron, of wood, and of stone.


The handwriting on the wall was written as a parody of man's formal inscription.

All of man’s handwritings have a number of decrees contained in them. Most church constitutions are even numbered. They are used to judge others with (weighed in the balance). They divide us...separating us into denominations.

But this is going to come to an end as their days are numbered….

Daniel 5:24-28 KJV
(24) Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written.
(25) And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN.
(26) This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
(27) TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
(28) PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
 
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