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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by HARK!, Nov 19, 2020.

  1. Minister Monardo

    Minister Monardo I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

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    So ger tzedek and grafted in are found later, in Exodus 20 and beyond? I will look tomorrow,
    maybe I can confirm these claims without the Talmud after all. Unless you can cite the verses from
    Exodus that you are referencing?
     
  2. HARK!

    HARK! Well-Known Member Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    ...but in fact it's commentary which conforms (at least this part) to the Torah. Apparently those who were put in charge to preserve YHWH's word manged to have at least some understanding of it.
     
  3. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    Maintain justice and do what is right, for my salvation (Yeshuati) is close at hand and my righteousness will soon be revealed. Blessed is the one who does this: the person who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath (shomer Shabbat) without desecrating it, and keeps their hands from doing any evil. Let no foreigner who is bound to the Lord say, “The Lord will surely exclude me from his people.” And let no eunuch complain, “I am only a dry tree.” To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off. “And the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord, to minister to him, to love the name of the Lord, and to be his servants, everyone who keeps the Sabbath (shomer Shabbat) and does not profane it, and holds fast my covenant— these I will bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer; their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.
     
  4. HARK!

    HARK! Well-Known Member Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    Hallelu Yah!
     
  5. Minister Monardo

    Minister Monardo I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

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    If Torah has requirements for Ger to be grafted in to Israel to become Ger Tzedek, there would be
    no need for Talmud, which added these requirements when proselytizing became more common,
    much later than Pentateuch.
     
  6. HARK!

    HARK! Well-Known Member Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    The requirements were given to the ger tzedek who had followed in faith to Sinai; where they entered covenant.

    (CLV) Ex 19:8
    Now all the people responded together and said: All that Yahweh speaks we shall do. When Moses |brought back the words of the people to Yahweh,
     
  7. Minister Monardo

    Minister Monardo I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

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    I know Isaiah 56, I just don't see Paul referencing this when he is teaching on grafted in the
    Olive Tree in Romans 11. This clearly speaks to the ger tzedek you have mentioned living in Israel,
    keeping Torah, and joining worship in the Holy Temple. How do you take this word, with "Paul's
    Evangel" to the nations of the world? When all are gathered to Israel, in 'the restoration of all things
    spoken of by all of the prophets'.
     
  8. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    What is the Olive tree? Read it again :)
     
  9. Minister Monardo

    Minister Monardo I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

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    Exodus 19:
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    And Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain, saying,
    Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel:
    4 You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings and
    brought you to Myself.
    5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine.
    6 And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.
    7 So Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before them all these words which the Lord commanded him.
    8 Then all the people answered together and said, All that the Lord has spoken we will do.
    So Moses brought back the words of the people to the Lord.
    9 And the Lord said to Moses, Behold, I come to you in the thick cloud, that the people may hear
    when I speak with you
    , and believe you forever.
    No commandments yet. But they would soon hear His Voice, and the testimony of those words heard
    in Exodus 20 are the covenant. Deuteronomy 4:13. We know them as the Ten Commandments.
    Many judgments, statutes, and precepts were added, "that they may live long in the land promised".
     
  10. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    Jews were not called to become gentiles, gentiles were called to join the Jews...
     
  11. klutedavid

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    Here is what you said,

    "Yet anyone uncircumcised, he shall not eat of it."

    If anyone wants to celebrate the Passover they must be circumcised. Paul prohibits Gentiles from taking circumcision.
    Case closed.
     
  12. klutedavid

    klutedavid Well-Known Member

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    No they were not. We are in Christ and we have no nationality. Gentiles are not citizens of Israel.
     
  13. Minister Monardo

    Minister Monardo I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

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    So I have heard.
    Romans 2:
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    For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh;
    29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
     
  14. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    Really?

    Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called "the uncircumcision" by what is called the circumcision...remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ ...So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord."
     
  15. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    Yes New Covenant...Jeremiah...gentiles grafted in...Paul
     
  16. Minister Monardo

    Minister Monardo I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

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    John 3:6. That born of flesh, flesh, that born of Spirit, spirit.
    Hebrews 12:
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    But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,
    to an innumerable company of angels,
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    to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God t
    he Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
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    to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
     
  17. Minister Monardo

    Minister Monardo I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

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    Sorry, you are breaking up.
     
  18. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    What is your point?
     
  19. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    Then get a better radio...or learn how to use yours correctly
     
  20. Minister Monardo

    Minister Monardo I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

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    John 3:6. That born of flesh, flesh, that born of Spirit, spirit.
    If you don't know...James 1:5
     
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