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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by HARK!, Nov 19, 2020.

  1. Strong in Him

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    OK then; as I said before, no denomination that I have been a part of has taught circumcision for babies.
    It's not standard Christian doctrine.
    The Gospel was never "repent and be circumcised. "

    And if you read the article, it says the early church taught that it wasn't necessary and a lot of people oppose it.
     
  2. HARK!

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    It might not be standard doctrine in the U.K.; but I hold the word of YHWH over the standard doctrine of the U.K..
     
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  4. Strong in Him

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    The word of Yahweh does not say "repent and be circumcised", or "be circumcised and have eternal life."

    Than God I can't be circumcised. I have only Jesus - who is all I need.
     
  5. Strong in Him

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    [STAFF EDITED]

    You didn't read back far enough.
     
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  6. HARK!

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    Here he said repent:

    Ezekiel 14:6
    Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord God; Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations.

    Here he said be circumcised:


    (CLV) Gn 17:13
    He shall be circumcised, yea circumcised, the manservant born in your household or acquired with your money. Thus will My covenant be marked in your flesh as an eonian (FOREVER) covenant.

    Here Nehemiah tells us who he keeps his covenant with:

    (CLV) Ne 1:5
    I said: Oh, Yahweh Elohim of the heavens, the great and fear-inspiring El, Who is keeping the covenant and the benignity with those loving Him and observing His instructions,
     
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  7. Strong in Him

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    In the OT in 2 separate verses.

    The Gospel, the NEW Covenant made by God and sealed by Christ, was, and is, not "repent and be circumcised", or "be circumcised and receive eternal life."
     
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    I believe that all scripture is true, and applicable; and that we need to look at all of scripture. Taking YHWH's name and vain, and prohibition of homosexuality, aren't mentioned together; but that doesn't mean that we need not be obedient to both of those instructions.
     
  9. Strong in Him

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    Well if you believe that ALL of Scripture is applicable, that's what you must do.
    It doesn't mean that that is the case; only that you believe that it is.

    Some NT passages cannot be applied today - such as treatment of slaves, or Paul giving Timothy personal instructions, or asking someone else to bring him his cloak and scrolls. And Philemon was a personal letter asking that Philemon forgive his runaway slave and not punish him. Those passages cannot be literally applied by us, or apply to us.

    If you believe that you have to be circumcised today, then that's what you must do - and then work out how to reconcile that with passages which say that circumcision is nothing, does not save and that those who let themselves be circumcised are saying that Christ died for nothing.
    As I've already said, if animal sacrifices were in place, it would be frankly insulting to God to confess your sins, believe in Christ's atoning death on the cross - and then go and offer your pet sheep for your sins.

    Personally I wouldn't be circumcised even if I could be. Jesus is all I need; I am IN him.
     
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