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GOP scraps government funding bill after Trump demands changes just before deadline

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It's not good if we just rush some5hing through to to rush something through.
But that's just the thing. The bill that Elon killed wasn't being rushed through. I will granted it was only formally introduced a couple of days ago, but it's the product of months of negotiations. Now they are scrambling to try and get something that could pass both houses.
 
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I think the issue is spending bills have good things a well as bad things. And it doeant really matter who proposes it. Bo4h sidea have good things and bad things in spending bills through the years.

Picking out good things doesn't somehow make up for rhe bad things. Cutting out the bad stuff and leaving in the good shoild be the goal.of every one.
It's not good if we just rush some5hing through to to rush something through.
What are the bad things that were left out?
 
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Where there any bad things in the bill?

No one in this entire thread, despite multiple requests, has identified a specific "bad thing" in the original bill. I get the impression people just assume there are bad things because Musk and then Trump opposed it.
 
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One plan floated overnight called for extending the current fiscal levels until mid-March, a farm bill for one year and $110 billion for natural disasters. It includes details initially agreed to by Democrats. Unlike Thursday’s failed proposal, this version would not raise the debt ceiling, a limit on how much the U.S. government can borrow, which was an explicit demand from President-elect Donald Trump. Another plan floated is just a clean extension, known as a continuing resolution, or CR, for several weeks into the new year.

Third time's the charm?
 
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House Republican negotiators have tentatively reached an agreement on averting a partial government shutdown at the end of Friday, sources told Fox News Digital.
Two people familiar with discussions told Fox News Digital that the deal would include a short-term extension of this year's federal funding levels, disaster aid funding and agricultural aid for farmers — but under three separate bills.
It would also involve an agreement to act on the debt limit next year as part of Republicans' planned massive conservative policy overhaul via a process called reconciliation.
The new strategy comes after President-elect Trump and his allies torpedoed congressional lawmakers' initial plans to avert a partial shutdown ahead of the holidays.
Trump had called on Republicans to act on the debt limit as part of their talks to avert a government shutdown, a demand that dozens of conservative GOP lawmakers bristled at given their concerns about the national debt — which has exceeded $36 trillion.
A plan by House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., to follow Trump's directives went down in flames on Thursday evening after 38 Republicans voted with all but two Democrats to kill that bill.

Trump, along with Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk, spearheaded opposition to congressional leaders' original bipartisan agreement and even threatened to force lawmakers who supported it out of office.

That bill, 1,547 pages, would have extended current government funding levels until March 14. However, GOP hardliners were angered by what they saw as unrelated measures latched onto the bill — like a pay raise for congressional lawmakers, health care policy provisions and legislation aimed at revitalizing RFK Stadium in Washington, D.C.

The second iteration was much slimmer, coming in at 116 pages. It excluded the stadium bill and the congressional pay raise, but still included measures to fund the rebuilding of Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge and more than $100 billion in disaster aid attached.

Rep. Chip Roy, R-Texas, was among the conservatives who rebelled against that bill.

"Old bill: $110BB in deficit spending (unpaid for), $0 increase in the national credit card. New bill: $110BB in deficit spending (unpaid for), $4 TRILLION+ debt ceiling increase with $0 in structural reforms for cuts. Time to read the bill: 1.5 hours. I will vote no," he wrote on X.

However, Roy and other members of the 38-person coalition who opposed the Trump-backed bill were mostly mum on details when leaving a meeting in Johnson's office on Friday morning.

Rep. Andy Ogles, R-Tenn., also declined to update reporters on the plan when leaving the meeting but said he expected votes sometime on Friday.
 
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Rep. Dusty Johnson (R-South Dakota) says that, at the rate House Republicans are going, they are preparing for a short government shutdown. Speaker Mike Johnson (R-Louisiana) said he believes the shutdown will last a couple of hours or perhaps through the weekend.
 
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No one in this entire thread, despite multiple requests, has identified a specific "bad thing" in the original bill. I get the impression people just assume there are bad things because Musk and then Trump opposed it.
There most certainly have been things discussed and mentioned that are considered bad by many of us. Or minimally unessentials. This thi is have been discussed here. Just because you or others say they are not bad, doeant mean you are correct.

And if enough people in Congress or the incoming administration think they shouldn't be there then Congress works it out. Hopefully. But just cause it's in the bill doeant mean it should be.
 
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There most certainly have been things discussed and mentioned that are considered bad by many of us. Or minimally unessentials. This thi is have been discussed here. Just because you or others say they are not bad, doeant mean you are correct.

And if enough people in Congress or the incoming administration think they shouldn't be there then Congress works it out. Hopefully. But just cause it's in the bill doeant mean it should be.

Feel free to cite one example from this thread.
 
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House Republican negotiators have tentatively reached an agreement on averting a partial government shutdown at the end of Friday, sources told Fox News Digital.

An agreement with whom? Have the found a bill all GOP representatives will vote for (at least enough to pass)? Will the Senate pass it?
 
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Speaker Mike Johnson (R-Louisiana) said Friday that the House would vote on a new spending plan without President-elect Donald Trump’s demand to suspend the debt limit. Emerging from a two-hour GOP meeting, Johnson said he was finalizing the details. “I’ve got one more little detail to work out, but we should be having a vote here soon.” he said, adding, “We will not have a government shutdown.”

Senators are processing the news that the House is likely to vote on a funding bill to avert a shutdown without including President-elect Donald Trump’s demand to lift the federal borrowing limit.

Sen. Markwayne Mullin (R-Oklahoma) said he thinks that a temporary funding bill into March without raising the debt ceiling is “going to cause a lot of problems.” He added that Trump has been very vocal that he expects Congress to lift the debt ceiling.
 
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Feel free to cite one example from this thread.
Do you honestly think it's right or fair for the U.S. government to take my hard-earned tax dollar and use it for promoting “locations and events in the United States that are important to music tourism"? Music tourism? Is that something the federal government should be doing? I'm a big music fan myself, but citizens can do that on their own dime, not yours and mine.
 
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Do you honestly think it's right or fair for the U.S. government to take my hard-earned tax dollar and use it for promoting “locations and events in the United States that are important to music tourism"? Music tourism? Is that something the federal government should be doing? I'm a big music fan myself, but citizens can do that on their own dime, not yours and mine.

It's not clear that the Commerce Department is getting more money to carry out this "directive" (I agree, it's a weird thing to include in a spending bill and is not a priority).

  • Adding to the existing responsibilities of the assistant secretary of commerce for travel and tourism the additional mandate of promoting “locations and events in the United States that are important to music tourism.”
 
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Johnson vows no shutdown, says GOP is 'unified'

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But sources told ABC News that Republicans came to an “agreement” on Friday to raise the debt limit by $1.5 trillion in the first reconciliation package of the next Congress, with a $2.5 trillion cut in net mandatory spending in the process. [not in this current bill]

This was presented to members in a closed-door meeting to discuss spending ahead of Friday night's shutdown deadline.

Mandatory spending includes highly popular entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare -- which Trump vowed on the campaign trail not to touch.

Intriguing, if true!
 
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...the House should have passed an Appropriation Bill in September of 2023. Instead, they periodically pass continuing resolutions.

Will the Republicans every learn to govern?
 
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...the House should have passed an Appropriation Bill in September of 2023. Instead, they periodically pass continuing resolutions.

Will the Republicans every learn to govern?
To be fair, even when the Democratic Party was the majority in the House of Representatives it is factual to say that they didn't pass annual appropriation bills. Correct?
 
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