GOP loses seat in the House

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Politicians who switch parties or go independent should be forced to resign from their seat and stand for re-election.

He's retiring and didn't run for a new term.

And, no they shouldn't. We vote for people, not parties.
 
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And, no they shouldn't. We vote for people, not parties.

Well...we ought to.

But if the people we vote for are going to uncritically hew to the party line, we might as well vote for parties, not people.
 
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I've got no problem with someone switching parties if they indeed choose the correct one that truly matches the way they act/vote. Seeing that Republicans allow some dissent in voting more often than Democrats do having one switch to independent is not a big deal as moderate Republicans can tend to not vote party lines to begin with and IMO should probably be dropped from the party anyway.
 
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Well...we ought to.

But if the people we vote for are going to uncritically hew to the party line, we might as well vote for parties, not people.

As a technical matter it is the person who is elected not the party. How they "organize" themselves in the legislative body is a matter up to them. Less "party line" would be great though.
 
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I've got no problem with someone switching parties if they indeed choose the correct one that truly matches the way they act/vote. Seeing that Republicans allow some dissent in voting more often than Democrats do having one switch to independent is not a big deal as moderate Republicans can tend to not vote party lines to begin with and IMO should probably be dropped from the party anyway.

Do they? Sanders gets to claim to be Independent and he still hangs with Democrats. There is a huge row between radical progressives and people like The Squad, yet they're all still functioning members of the Democratic Party.

You can't say the same for the Republicans. Those who are not Trumpers are soundly castigated as "RINOs."
 
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Do they? Sanders gets to claim to be Independent and he still hangs with Democrats. There is a huge row between radical progressives and people like The Squad, yet they're all still functioning members of the Democratic Party.

You can't say the same for the Republicans. Those who are not Trumpers are soundly castigated as "RINOs."
I'm sure that the Democrats are castigating their own a lot worse as their voting shows almost NO dissent from their leaders while we often see dissent from moderate "Republicans" (Obamacare repeal anyone?).
I would be more impressed with the "independents' of the Democrat party if they voted with Republicans half as often as the other way around.
 
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Politicians who switch parties or go independent should be forced to resign from their seat and stand for re-election.

People voted for a man, not a party.
 
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And definately Trump tantrum related. Paul Mitchell finally got upset enough over the attack democracy enough to leave the party!

But your title is incorrect. The Republican Party did not lose the seat in Congress. Paul Mitchell's successor as the Representative from that district is a strong Trump supporter as well as a Republican.
 
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Do they? Sanders gets to claim to be Independent and he still hangs with Democrats. There is a huge row between radical progressives and people like The Squad, yet they're all still functioning members of the Democratic Party.
You can't say the same for the Republicans. Those who are not Trumpers are soundly castigated as "RINOs."
There seems to be a difference, though. The Democrats you referred to are different factions within their party but neither group cooperates with the Republicans. They're simply divided on internal policies in the Democratic Party.

But when it comes to the dissident Republicans you referred to, they are criticized for the reason that they desert their own Party at critical times, voting instead with the Democrats.
 
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We vote for people, not parties.
Well, maybe you do but I vote for platforms not people and I expect the people who run on the platform to stay with it until the end of their term.
 
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Well, maybe you do but I vote for platforms not people and I expect the people who run on the platform to stay with it until the end of their term.

Your logic seems to rest on the notion that the Republican Party should be an autocratic cult of personality.
 
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Your logic seems to rest on the notion that the Republican Party should be an autocratic cult of personality.
Since 2016, it mostly is.

Moderate, reasonable Republicans like Corker, Flake, McCain, et al, leaving the Republican party more or less left the sycophants like Jordan, Graham, Cotton, et al, as the ones left groveling at trump's feet.
 
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As a technical matter it is the person who is elected not the party. How they "organize" themselves in the legislative body is a matter up to them. Less "party line" would be great though.
People voted for a man, not a party.

If people really do vote for a person rather than a party, then politicians who decide to switch after getting elected have nothing to fear from resigning their seat, and standing for re-election. But for some reason they never seem to want to take the risk of asking the approval of people whose votes they happily took while standing under a different banner. Why should a candidate potentially derive benefit from a party affiliation, and then unilaterally decide to disaffiliate from that party while still sitting in the seat they won under that party's banner?
 
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If people really do vote for a person rather than a party, then politicians who decide to switch after getting elected have nothing to fear from resigning their seat, and standing for re-election. But for some reason they never seem to want to take the risk of asking the approval of people whose votes they happily took while standing under a different banner. Why should a candidate potentially derive benefit from a party affiliation, and then unilaterally decide to disaffiliate from that party while still sitting in the seat they won under that party's banner?

Support for Donald Trump's agenda does not have to define being Republican. Lots of "never Trump" Republicans have been Republicans far longer than Donald Trump.
 
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If people really do vote for a person rather than a party, then politicians who decide to switch after getting elected have nothing to fear from resigning their seat, and standing for re-election.

There are a few reasons:

1. Special elections take time and money. For the House with its 2 year terms a few months out of office represents a significant portion of the term.

2. Legally they were elected to represent their districts (or states). That role is not altered by their party affiliation. They still have obligations to represent their constituents, especially on local pecuniary issues.

3. Switching parties is hard. Your old party's voters will feel like you abandoned them and will want someone of their own; your new party will feel like the seat should be filled by someone who's been fighting for the party for longer; the voters without party may or may not stick with you (and may not have voted for you in the first place).

4. Benefits: Someone who switches to the opposition party usually gets some sort of sweetener. It might just be the fact of joining the majority, or it might be a seat on a committee they value, or it might be the backing of a powerful funding source. Some of these things can be broken by the resignation

5. They might not even win the primary. This is true for their regular reelection attempt after the switch, but at least they'll have a chance to prove themselves to the party base first.

Party switching is a tricky tactic for legislators and it has a fairly low survival rating. I would think that resignation and special election would be lower.

Of course none of this applies in this case as the party switching member will not be in Congress after the end of the year since he did not run for reelection.
 
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