I can't see that trusting equates to being humble.
Romans 4:4,5
As it stands, I could not make myself a Calvinist.
Does God owe you heaven? If not, why do believe you should go there?
So you can't make yourself like something you hate? Why not? I thought you had free will?
Why do you need to resort to an analogy?
If all men deserve hell, and God gives some of them mercy, that means some end up in hell which they deserve, and some end up in heaven which is mercy.
Can you tell me who receives injustice here?
The real issue deals with it more adequately than an analogy ever could.
Well it's shame you wont look at it. It explains what seems to be a complicated issue.
janx, some students getting a bad grade isn't quite the same as a criminal getting his just punishment for his crimes.
All men deserve hell.
God saves some.
He owes mercy to nobody. But the ones he gives mercy to are saved. The ones he does not give mercy to simply get the justice they deserve.
Who here receives injustice? The ones in hell do not get injustice - they get justice.
And around and around we go....
janx, some students getting a bad grade isn't quite the same as a criminal getting his just punishment for his crimes.
All men deserve hell.
God saves some.
He owes mercy to nobody. But the ones he gives mercy to are saved. The ones he does not give mercy to simply get the justice they deserve.
Who here receives injustice? The ones in hell do not get injustice - they get justice.
And around and around we go....
Yes, around and around we go.
If you can't provide a good reason for this seemingly arbitrary decision you say God made then it remains unjust.
If you were to ask a number of people if they thought this was fair I think we all know what the answer would be.
What you describe is quite unfathomable if it is to be applied to God.
'Tis still very saddening
Perhaps we should use the current analogy:
A teacher sets homework for her students but nobody completes the work on time. She extends the deadline to some of them but not all. No reason is given for her decision. Not surprisingly, those to whom she did not extend the deadline feel they have been dealt with unfairly.
Does this help?
So it's unjust of God to put people in hell for their sins?
The Bible gives a great reason for God saving people: to the praise of the glory of his grace.
I'm sorry God's mercy and grace being glorified is not good enough for you.
Peace and grace of our Lord Jesus be with you, Janxharris!
God tells Pharoah that at midnight the all the firstborn will die and then hardens his heart. God tells only Israel about the Passover Lamb and that the Destroying Angel would pass over them when it saw the blood.
Did God deal unfairly with Egypt?
I guess not. Do we have to assume that this slaughter was unto damnation? Just wondering...
No, I don't think it is necessary; but it was the method itself about which I was curious on how you viewed it.
May the love of our Father abide in you this our Lord's day!
So it's unjust of God to put people in hell for their sins?
The Bible gives a great reason for God saving people: to the praise of the glory of his grace.
I'm sorry God's mercy and grace being glorified is not good enough for you.
This might seem a little heartless if one considers the reprobates.
Not forgetting that the reprobate and the elect are just about as evil as each other.
Sorry, but it just does not sit right.
Jesus said, ' Let not your hearts be troubled...' but Calvinism leaves me feeling extremely troubled.