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God's will over original sin

Discussion in 'Christian Scriptures' started by gospels, Jul 17, 2019.

  1. gospels

    gospels Active Member Supporter

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    God regretted that He had made humankind on the earth; it grieved his heart. Genesis 6:6
    Would God regret and grieve if it was His will that Adam&Eve fall?

    You are not to eat from tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Genesis 2:17
    Would God instruct Adam not to eat but purposed otherwise beforehand?

    I think no, it wasn't God's will for humankind to fail because He instructed Adam not to eat and felt sad when that happened. I believe the nature of will that Adam&Eve had was different from what we have now. Why? In my opinion, after the fall, God has withdrawn/limited the authority of human will that He initially gave to mankind. I believe, God will again give us a new nature of will when He restores everything in the new earth. I do not know what nature and degree of will Adam&Eve had, but it think it was different before the fall.

    Comments? (I'm open to unlearn and relearn, always).
     
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  2. Luke631

    Luke631 New Member

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    Jesus is coming soon and it will be glorious!
     
  3. David Cabrera

    David Cabrera Catechumen

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    We regain our pre-fallen nature with the New birth but since we live in a fallen world, we need to continue remaining in righteousness.
     
  4. J Daniel

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    I don't think anything is by accident................
     
  5. gospels

    gospels Active Member Supporter

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    May be you would think it differently if sin never happened. So, could it be that you don't think anything is by accident in a fallen world?

    (What Adam&Eve did was intentional on their part. We are unaware of the state of mind they had in a sinless world. We will only see and know when all is restored to perfection in a new earth.)
     
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  6. J Daniel

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    But you must remember - Lord knows what us human beings are like - he knew we would disobey - same way as if you have a child and you tell that child not go into your cupboard - they will do it! Kids!

    Unfortunately sin has happen - and we all (human kind) have to suffer in a multitude of forms.

    A sinless world - wow - only Lord can restore that when time comes.

    But, truth is, even now - things are good - we can breath and live etc etc this is not hell - yet.

    In a FALLEN WORLD anything goes..........

     
  7. bmjackson

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    Adam and Eve were innocent. But in order for them (mankind) to have a relationship based on love with God, they needed to fall and then be restored to holiness which is a higher state. In a state of innocence, they still had to learn what sin was, so they were not the moral agents that is required for them to have a mature relationship with God. So yes it was planned.

    They themselves failed but other men succeeded.
     
  8. Aabbie James

    Aabbie James The Word Became Flesh

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    In everything our Sovereign God does, His full Glory is on display.

    Acts 2:23 this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death.

    Revelation 4:8 ..."Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!"
     
  9. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    Bless you brother David, may I kindly ask where the church came up with the idea of man’s fallen nature being as a result of Adam & Eve’s sin? I don’t see it in Genesis 3.
     
  10. gospels

    gospels Active Member Supporter

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    We agree fallen means sinful and depraved.

    Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

    We also read in New Testament that by one man sin, death and condemnation was passed on to all.

    Only Jesus was born holy because He was not a man’s seed but of a virgin through Holy Spirit.
     
  11. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    Thank you Romans 5:19 does appear to support the idea.
     
  12. David Cabrera

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    Also you can see how the Earth is cursed because of Adam in Genesis 3.
     
  13. bmjackson

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    Psalm 51 says that David's mother was in sin. Although sin was passed to all after Adam, it does not clearly say it was through the seed of man rather than Satan causing every man to fall, which has been estimated to be around the age of four, after being born innocent. There has been a study comparing three year olds to four year olds and it was found that deliberate lying does not begin till around the later.

    The case for original sin is very weak.
     
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