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God's voice

Discussion in 'Christianity and World Religion' started by Lavis Knight, Jul 28, 2003.

  1. Lavis Knight

    Lavis Knight Wanderer

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    Hi, i'm pretty new here.. i took a look around the forums for a place to put this and noticed my options were a little limited.. so i hope i put it in the right spot.

    How does one hear God's voice? I do not nessisarily mean a physical voice, but many people claim to hear God's voice in one way or another (After all if they did not then how could anyone say this is God's will or God wishes me to do this ect..)

    How does one discern such a thing from their own desires and from the voices and opinions of others?

    Thank you

    -Lavis
     
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  2. Atkin

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    You cannot tell unless you have deep scriptural discernment to evaluate what the person says and stands for, because such a person, if Christian , must display scriptural consistency and WOULD APPLY SCRIPTURE to whatever actions that he/she took.

    God speaks by allowing people to have clear accurate interpretations of his word AND ALLOWS THEM to interpret events going on around them in correct sequence with scriptures. The point is that IF THE PERSON HAS A VERY HIGH CALLING, THEN GOD ALONE could understand what the person was doing whilst the average person would not.

    TAKE A LOOK AT GOD IN FLESH HIMSELF, JESUS CHRIST. He did not appear in some space craft , he was born a common fellow. Immediately he performed certain miracles, HE WAS TAKEN TO BE FROM THE DEVIL for they knew not what He was about in spite of they being Scribes of the Bible etc. Luke 11:14-20. THEY CONCLUDED CHRIST WAS BEELZEBUL , SATANIC.

    CASE 2
    However, God has spoken in the past to Pagans, who then carried out harsh actions

    against Israelites for example. Now under such circumstances, the Israelites or Christians would assume that such a pagan COULD NOT HAVE HEARD the Voice of God or
    any direction in line with the will of God. A very good example is Daniel

    31 While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven,
    saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed
    from thee.
    32 And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts
    of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass
    over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and
    giveth it to whomsoever he will.

    NOW HE WAS NOT AN ISRAELITE SO WOULD YOU BELIEVE HIM if he told you God spoke to him?

    2 Kings 24:2 The Lord sent bands of Chaldeans against Judah to destroy it. God speaks to people WHOM ONE MAY NEVER EXPECT-- complicated at times but His plans are deep.

    What if God spoke to AN AYATOLLAH OR STALIN OR SOME OTHER NON BELIEVER?

    You cannot verify under such circumstances and God keeps such things from humans if He intends sealing them up.
     
  3. Lavis Knight

    Lavis Knight Wanderer

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    Why all the high pre-requisites on hearing God's voice? Certainly i shouldn't have to be an elitist or chosen(In a spiritual sense) to be able to talk to God.. and certainly scripture hasn't always been around.. what did people do then?

    What of those who do not have scripture or are raised differently in another religion.. they will not hold the biblical text as God inspired..

    I feel in the approach you are taking it is backwards:

    One does not become Christian and find God, one rather finds God and becomes Christian.. i want to find God, i want to know who He is.. but why then block the path with pre requisites? Espcially if God desires to know me? ^_^;;

    That's really interesting, thank you for pointing that out ^_^; Would i believe him? Not sure..although i would certainly ask him what aspects of the voice made it different from other things he hears or other thoughts in his mind.. then perhaps i could come closer to hearing God's voice myself. ^_^

    What do you mean by His plans are deep?

    However i do not mean to nessisarily imply a physical voice as in an audible one.. i mean to say when many people claim to hear the voice of God.. how can i know God unless He Himself reveals Himself to me?

    Nothing in my own power can reveal God to me.. and i will never know who He is.. unless i can ask others who have heard His voice what it sounds like, how i can seperate it from other things. The biblical text is an answer many give me.. however i believe that there is something before that, the book is certainly not a "medium" one uses to contact God.. and i know many other texts could be considered the same thing and used in the same manner (As far as a holy text goes).

    Thank you for your response ^__^

    -Lavis
     
  4. spinto

    spinto Regular Member

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    Lavis,

    I am not Christian or a follower of a specific religion. I am however very spiritual and believe in God very strongly. Your question is quite interesting.

    To me, God’s voice is the most basic part of our humanity. For me, understanding God means understanding yourself, our world, our love, our feelings, our thoughts, our creativity, our passions and our experiences in life. I conceive that to be the voice or language of God. I feel it’s confusing to think of God as a figure sitting on a thrown with a long white beard looking down at us—with a list of commands in hand. I perceive a character like that to have conceptual limitations because it’s a view is a SINGLE entity. However, a more abstract less personified concept seems to ring clearer in my realm of understanding.

    I know God speaks to me because I FEEL life as I live it. Often we have a deep knowing voice in our heart that does not let us forget when we’ve done something we know to be dishonest. The same is true when we feel good about a good deed. You can recall in your life sensing when you were being lied to by someone you might have trusted, or feeling nervous about taking that 10:30pm walk alone in the park. The feeling you get when you get up in the morning and great the sun, or the rush you feel when you are falling deeply in love… These are all signs that God lives and speaks to us. It’s makes us understand that WE ARE HERE and that WE LIVE! Or at least that’s how I understand the concept… The very fabric of our individuality and our basic self-conscience understanding of ourselves is the foot print God leaves as he walks by or the resonance of Gods voice as he speaks to us.

    I do believe that my understanding of God may not be how someone else is meant to understand. Often people find God in a book or at church. Often some people need to have a fellow believe the same as they do in order to justify there own beliefs. If that brings them happiness and spiritual piece of mind, then I think it is great. Often some people error because they claim their way the “only way” to know God. As different as we all are or were created… I can’t imagine that we all must be and understand the SAME. I correlate that knowing God can be similar to understanding and knowing your interpersonal relationships. For example, the understanding of my mother and WHO she is differs from the understanding my father may have of her. I look upon her as her son (I know her as MOM) and he looks upon her as her husband. So is with God. Jane, who lives two houses down, knows God to be a father figure and protector. You may know and hear him differently (as a friend, advisor,… etc. Whatever the case may be). Personally, I find it a disruption to sit and listen to a person tell me how I am supposed to feel and know God. That is why I can’t find my place in a church. An uninterrupted and unguided search for God has always led me to the best and most genuine understanding I’ve come across.

    Often some people make God to be this big untouchable… and expect you to be CLOSE TO HIM as well. Well, I think the first step in being close to anyone, is knowing that you are worthy to be close to--and worthy to be spoken to for that matter. Doesn’t have to be any more complicated, elaborate or mystical than that.

    I hope my thoughts allow you to form your own. Thanks for the thread!:)
     
  5. Kaye8

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    I'm not quite sure if I followed exactly what those other two were saying. I am in a bible study right now called Experiencing God. It talks alot about having a love relationship with the Lord and hearing Him when He talks to you to show you His will. First of all I think you have to have your heart open to Him. You have to pray to God to have a relationship with you and to help you hear when he speaks to you. Also read alot of scripture. When you think God is speaking to you pray very hard that you are able to tell wether or not it is your own selfish desires or if it is God. It is really hard to interpret wether it is your desires so pray really hard about it. And then read scripture. Find somewhere in the Bible that backs up what you think. Those are two very important things. When God speaks to you it is liek your concience. You dont hear some different voice in your head you just have a thought that comes to you so strongly that you feel you must do it. Just be careful it is not just your desires.
     
  6. ACougar

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    That was a beautiful post Spinto.


     
  7. Wills

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    Kaye8 is correct and that is the answer to your question on knowing whether it is really inspiration from God. You will definitely find a constructive verse/verses in the Bible to tally with what God intends or what you feel you hear from God.

    Of course, we are not talking about those who commit crimes from their own desire, and turn round and say the Bible made me do it.

     
  8. GJG

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    Hey dudes, howz everybody?

    On the subject of the voice of God , there's a very interesting study on this. Look at the NT where Saul was on his way to Damascus. Remembering that Saul was tutored by the great teacher Gamellio regarding the One True Living God according to the scriptures. Also, Saul was totally focused on destroying the followers of Jesus Christ. Yet, when he asked the question of God: 'Who are you?', the answer given was accepted without any doubt whatsoever.

    Look it up! You will find it in Acts9.

    According to your faith, let it be done! So I suppose if you truly believe without doubting that it is the voice of God...........maybe?
     
  9. Nathan David

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    Based on your description, how could you tell it was God's voice and not coming from your own mind?
     
  10. Luchnia

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    Great subject!

    It would seem that many that proclaim that God told them this, or that, and God did not tell them anything. Jeremiah had much to say about those that said, "Thus saieth the Lord..." They basically were liars or as today, many are simply ignorant and don't know any better. I am truly amazed at the individuals that say God told them to do this or that.

    Just a careful perusal of the NT will refute such claims as we see around us about "God said this to me." Men rarely even know how to discern words of men and yet, say God spoke to them. I have heard people say directly to me, "I woke up and God told me to do this." It makes you wonder sometimes, just how blind people can be, doesn't it?

    Word up!
     
  11. Lavis Knight

    Lavis Knight Wanderer

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    Hi Spinto ^_^


    However how is this any different than me and who i am? There are people who can't feel at all.. do they lack God's voice? Is there anything this can tell me about God? What of feelings which are negative, you describe alot of these feelings as those which influence us in some way, hatred, greed, and lust influence people as well.

    To seperate God's voice from hatred and negative feelings must mean one would know the characteristics of such a voice in order to make the decision to include certain emotions and exclude others.

    I find it really hard to just base my understanding on what i think, rather than finding some sort of basis (A holy book or authority) to stand on. Because i feel like i would be coming out of nowhere if you know what i mean?

    Although choosing what i think or choosing one holy book over another or one authority/religion over another i realize that at it's base i cannot escape making a decision out of nowhere with no basis.. that is why i would like to hear God's voice.. then i would know what to do and who to choose, and my faith would be based on trusting that voice and holding it through dark times- rather than a blind faith where i shot in the dark and for no apparent reason than convienience choose Christianity. (Convieniece as in it is much easier to be Christian in this area than another religion)

    Worthy to be spoken to.. that's a hard one... definetly a hard one, where i come from it seems like this is taught yet at the same time you are taught to feel unworthy at the same time.. and it's hard to know if God's voice is even present to be heard, if i know someone i will know their voice.. i don't know God because i don't His voice.

    Thank you for your thoughts Spinto ^_^

    -Lavis
     
  12. Lavis Knight

    Lavis Knight Wanderer

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    Hi Kaye ^_^

    I do worry it is my own desires..i can understand perhaps praying.. prayer to me lately has been like sending up an SOS signal, a flare in the darkness asking God to talk to me somehow.. as for Scripture i do not know if that is the authority or not..

    Someone does not become Christian and find God, someone finds God and becomes Christian.. when people ask me to read the scriptures and bend my life to them before i even know if they are right then they are asking me to worship a man and asking me to be Christian in order to find God, i don't understand how it would work that way. I feel like i have to wait for God to speak to me and let me know which way to go.

    One may say it's laziness on my part.. but i don't want to worship a false God, i don't want to serve something which isn't there. I want to know God if i can..

    Have you heard God's voice before Kaye? If you have how to you discern it from other voices.. you said it was like our conscience, but can you describe such things further.. what is the distinction that makes it different? Sometimes we won't have time to do alot of prayer, and if my friend talks to me in life it doesn't take me days to discern His voice, How much less time should it take me to know my masters voice?

    -Lavis
     
  13. Lavis Knight

    Lavis Knight Wanderer

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    Hi Wills ^__^

    How will i know it is an inspiration from God if the thing itself tells me so? There are many other books and authorities which claim to be from God.. and i will never know who is using God as another word for them or who is truthfully speaking from God.

    Should i really have to take hours to recognize my masters voice? How can i discern that the biblical text is the voice i should be listening to in the first place?

    The point is i will have to make a choice.. and even in that choice if i don't have God's voice to guide me, i am making a blind choice. So then if one did not make a blind choice to choose Christianity, then God must of revealed Himself to them and told them all these things.. otherwise each person risked worshipping a man and bending their wills to a holy text without even knowing God was there in the first place!

    Now i know people wouldn't make a decision like that.. and if that is true what i want to know is what that voice sounded like how could you discern it in order to even make your initial choices for Christianity?

    Thanks ^_^

    -Lavis
     
  14. Lavis Knight

    Lavis Knight Wanderer

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    Hey GJG ^_^;

    I did take a look see, however would you be able to explain? Of course he would accept immediately with no doubt whatsoever.. let's take a look at what occured:

    Acts 9 3-6

    Do i have to wait for Jesus to appear and speak to me in an audible voice? Secondly i cannot verify if such events occured as many texts do claim many divine miracles and the like.

    However i would just say of course if this occured he would believe without a doubt.. however this hasn't happened to me? Why? Is it fair? I am here looking and He a persecuter of Christians a murderer gets God's attention in such a way before me? Should i start murdering and doing awful things.. maybe then God would pay more attention to me... :cry:

    Further in God even spoke to Ananias, and restored Saul's sight! In such a situation i don't think anyone would have much reason to doubt.

    GJG, you must hear God's voice? If you made you decision for Christ then surely He must of lead you to that decision? How then did you discern His voice.. what was different about it?

    -Lavis
     
  15. Lavis Knight

    Lavis Knight Wanderer

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    Hey Luchnia ^^;

    I never quite thought about it that way, the prophets often did claim false prophets- however i always thought it to be grandiose things rather than just individuals how claimed to know what God was saying. as alot of that does happen today, and some i hope are not from God.. but then again i don't really know.

    However i don't believe Christians make a blind choice for Christ or the biblical text do they? In order to make the choice and have a faith built on trust with God would not God have told them something of the truth?

    -Lavis
     
  16. faithkid1015

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    "God's voice" told me to put my bible down and of course I didn't think is was God I thought it was satan. Then I finally (and reluctantly) did it. And Lo and behold my relationship with God became better!! You see, I was filtering my fellowship and understanding of God through KJV chapter and verse and also through my own carnal perception of what it was saying. God kept saying His Word was in me and to live it out "by heart". Now I know God better and He tells me "deep" things and they are all in line with the written Word. ( I know because sometimes even when I'm sure it's God speaking to my heart I check His written Word to be sure!!)
     
  17. Kaye8

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    It is not always a voice you hear from God. People and experiences are things God also uses as His tools to pull you to Him. In my own experience God used a person to pull me toward Him. If God speaks to you, it is not an everyday occurence. He uses other things to guide you. But I believe if God does speak to you what He says just stands out in your mind. It just hammers at you until you do what He says. Also what He tells you to do you will usually find would be backed up by scripture. If you feel like you must kill someone that is not God speaking because one of the commandments is "Thou shalt not kill" so obviously it is not from God. Hearing God speak to you is a miracle in itself and you cannot expect Him to speak to you just to get you to follow Him. He has His own ways. You just have to keep your eyes open to everythign and hear everything to be able to know when God is working through you and around you. I don't know if this helps but I hope so.
     
  18. faithkid1015

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    I trust Him with all my heart. We communicate daily. God created mankind FOR fellowship with Him. God loves it and so do I!!
     
  19. spinto

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    I don't believe there are people who CAN'T feel (as in without emotion). If a person doesn't even know how to take in simple day to day happenings, than they can indeed be described as a vegetable, or for the lack of a better phrase, "dead to the world". I never think any person lacks God's voice. Just, some people understand and comprehend the voice differently.

    You speak of negativity or negative feelings. In other words, Evil or Bad things. Well, I believe that you know if you are evil or not. If you KNOW you mean no evil in your life, you will never have to worry about BEING or turning evil. The most you have to worry about is making mistakes that inflict pain on others or yourself (Hey, just because many believe in a good God does not make us immune to the wrongs of the world. However, I have always thought what many Christians, and many faiths for that matter, believe to be wrong, is not actually wrong. IE, homosexuality, premarital sex, lustful feelings and worth in the eyes of God).

    And for those who are EVIL (and I’m talking about true, cruel and hurtful evil.). They will perpetuate the evil as in line with their Individual Spirit. Does God allow this? He created the balance. Does that mean God is evil too? To a good soul, God is good. To the evil soul, God is evil. If evil is NOT in your soul, you will only know God as benevolence. That’s my take on it…

    Life has a way of teaching us to live at our best (trial and error)—yet another form of God’s speech. Sometimes we listen and sometimes we don’t. Some peoples’ lives are happy and some peoples’ are not. I think God allows us to feel Good about the good things and Bad about the bad things (simple concept). The most positive understanding of those feelings will lead you to actions that will perpetuate your good tidings or fix your shortcomings. Like I said, some people listen and some don’t. Some people want what is BEST for them and some just don’t. If you want what is BEST for you, are willing to work for it, you will find it. If you want to be GOOD and LOVING, you will be (no matter what foibles the road getting there had). What’s to stop you—other than you? I believe God’s in the mix but I don’t believe he is there to control (This belief sometimes violates the “Protective Figure” some people need so much). That fact that YOU have a will is God’s will. It is God’s will that YOU will lead yourself to Good or Bad, Protection or Vulnerability, etc… That’s how I believe.

    And about things like lust… Well, some think lust is bad… And it can be… But sometimes it is good. Lust is a spice in life. You can have too much or not enough…

    Well as to this… Believe what makes you feel the best and most secure, maybe that would be God’s voice telling you a certain belief may compliment YOUR individual spirit best.


    With as all consuming as our feelings can be--as precious certain things are to our life, it is hard for me not to believe God is there. I’ve found it easiest to know God when I stopped trying to hear something that I imagined OUT of my comprehension and out of what I know to be familiar. In the familiarity of life, in the very things you know best—that is where God lives and this is what he uses to speak to us. As you grow and learn more, God is able to speak in a language that grows ever cleared. That has been my understanding.

    Thanks for responding.:) Happy Journey!
     
  20. Kaye8

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    "He who belongs to God, heas what God says. The reason why you do not hear is because you do not belong to God." John 8:47
     
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