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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by keras, Apr 24, 2018.

  1. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    Perhaps you could inform us what your point is?
    Do you think all the many prophesies about Babylon are history? Including Revelation 18:1-24?
     
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    The point is you take many verses out of context to support your view.You will,take verses out of one chapter and say they support your veiw,but you ignor the rest of the prophecy they belong to.
    And you probably think your doing good.

    But to answer your question.No,Babylon has not been destroyed yet.


    Jeremiah 51:11 "Sharpen the arrows, take up the shields! The LORD has stirred up the kings of the Medes, because his purpose is to destroy Babylon. The LORD will take vengeance, vengeance for his temple.
     
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    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I believe in an exact literal understanding of the Bible. A also believe that a right understanding of the Bible agrees with true science. If there are any contradictions then either there is a problem with our translation or interpretation of the Bible or there is a problem with your understanding of Science. We have to always watch satan because he love to promote his counterfeit forgery and the false - apostate - harlot church loves to buy into his lies.

    Yes this earth will be cleansed with fire and repopulated with a remnant as we read about with Israel. Everything that happened with Israel is a shadow and a type of the work God is doing now with the gentiles as we are in the age of the gentiles. (Church age, Holy Spirit Dispensation) Still Evolution will survive that cleansing fire and they will be teaching evolution during the 1,000 year reign of Christ here on the Earth.
     
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    Yes, the Bible tells us why and Science tells us how. Perhaps you would like to share with us your understanding of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and what the meaning is for us today. How do we apply what we learn about the Garden of Eden to this generation in this day and age?

    Isaiah 5:20 "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."

    "21Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight! "
     
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    Babylon is destroyed during the war of armegeddon .

    Revelation 16:19 The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath.

    Since you believe it was destroyed.Who destroyed it and what date was it destroyed?
    If its history,you shouldn't have a problem showing what day it was destroyed .

    Revelation 18:17 In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!' "Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off.

    Revelation 18:18 When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, 'Was there ever a city like this great city?'

    Exactly what date did Babylon burn?
     
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    Everything that happened in the Old Testament is a shadow and a type of the New Testament. They were under Law and we are under Grace. The work God did with the natural descendants of Abraham He is now doing with us that are adopted into the family. Romans 11:24 "After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!"

    Some people believe that New York City is Babylon today. They are waiting for God to remove His protection so they can destroy that city. 2Thes2:7 "For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way."

    539 BC

    Persian conquest. In 539 BC, the Neo-Babylonian Empire fell to Cyrus the Great, king of Persia, with a military engagement known as the Battle of Opis. Babylon's walls were considered impenetrable. wiki
     
  8. shilohsfoal

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    The Medes never destroyed Babylon.
    In fact Alexander te great lived there after he defeated the Persians.
    Alexander te great lived and died in nebachanezar palace in 323 BC.

    Fact is Ancient Babylon was never destroyed.It was abandoned.
     
  9. keras

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    Isaiah 28:1 & 3-4 Alas for the proud peoples of Ephraim, those fading flowers, drunk with prosperity. They will fall like ripe fruit and be trampled down. Hab. 3:12
    Ephraim represents the British peoples, Genesis 48:17-19, with their faded empire, but still a proud and prosperous commonwealth of nations. Deuteronomy 33:17

    Isaiah 28:2 & 5-6 The Lord has control of a powerful force, [Deuteronomy 32:22] It will beat down violently upon the earth, as a sweeping storm and a destroying tempest. On that Day, the Lord will be an adornment for the remnant of His people and will give a spirit of justice to those who judge and of valour to those who stand fast at the gate.

    This passage is paralleled by Isaiah 30:25b-30...On the Day of massacre, when fortresses fall, the sun will shine seven times stronger, like seven days in one. On that Day, the Lord will protect and save His people. See: the Lord comes from afar, His anger blazing and His doom heavy, as His arm descends in devastating fire. He sieves out the nations for destruction. But for My people, there will be songs and gladness of heart as they march to the mountains of Israel.

    The Lords Day of vengeance and wrath by a CME sunstrike is the next prophesied event. Psalms 11:4-6 and Habakkuk 3:4 describe accurately how the Lord will not be seen and this terrible judgement will be thought of as a natural event, so secular people can still choose whether they will honour God, or deny Him. Isaiah 66:15-16, Isaiah 6:10

    All those faithful Christians who have stood firm in their trust in God’s protection and who called out to Him during that Day of worldwide devastation, Joel 3:32, Acts 2:21, will be saved and will be shown the way to the cleansed and regenerated holy Land. Psalms 107, Isaiah 35:1-10, Isaiah 66:18-21, Jeremiah 31:1-40, Ezekiel 36:8-38

    Isaiah 28:7-8 These people also have lost their way and wander down strange paths, they are befuddled as with strong drink, they stumble in the Law. Both priests and prophets are incoherent, sickness and filth are everywhere.
    Today, all Israel, now the Christian peoples and Judah have gone astray, the rabbi’s and priests are incompetent and fail to teach all the truths as given to us in the Bible. Jeremiah 14:14-16, Isaiah 56:9-12

    Isaiah 28:9-13 Who is there that can be taught, who makes sense of what they hear? People are like children, newly weaned, for the Word is precept upon precept, a little here, a little there. So now, with a foreign tongue, the Lord will address this people, a people that would not listen, a people to whom He once said: This is true rest, your place of repose. Therefore to them the Word has become meaningless, mere noise to them and they fall and are injured.
    Ref: REB, NIV, KJV. Abridged.

    People today have difficulty clearly discerning the Prophetic Word. One day, with a foreign tongue, that is: not in Hebrew, the Lord will speak to His people: all who acknowledge Him and keep the Commandments. All the true Christians, who will pay heed, not like those peoples who did not listen and obey their God, so long ago.
    Zephaniah 3:9 I will restore pure lips to all the peoples..... Note: this happens AFTER Zephaniah 3:8, the terrible Day of wrath.

    But those who do not make an effort to study the prophesies and understand the truth of God’s plan for our future, will be taken unawares and may experience some disadvantage.
     
  10. keras

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    Isaiah 18:3 All the inhabitants of the world will see the signs and hear the sounds of the Lord’s rebuke. Isaiah 17:12-14

    Isaiah 29:5b-6 Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come from the Lord with a thunder of great noise, earthquakes and storm tempests of devouring fire.

    Isaiah 66:6 That roar from the city, the uproar in the holy Land, it is the sound of the Lord dealing retribution to His enemies.

    Jeremiah 4:23-29 At the sound of approaching disaster every town is in flight. People crawl into thickets and scramble up among the cliffs to hide. The earth is in chaos, the sky blackened, the hills are shaking and reeling and everybody disappears, even the birds and animals have gone. The whole Land is desolate, for the purpose of the Lord has been made known and He will not relent or change it.

    Jeremiah 25:30-31 The Lord roars from on high, He thunders from His dwelling place, He roars loudly against His Land, against all the inhabitants of the Land. The great noise reaches to the ends of the earth, as the Lord brings His judgement against all the nations and the godless peoples will die. Isa. 33:10-12

    Jeremiah 50:22 & 25 & 46 The sound of great destruction thunders in the Land. The Lord has opened His armoury and brought out the weapon of His wrath, it is His work to do against the Babylonish nations. The earth quakes and the noise is heard throughout the world.
    Ancient Babylon was destroyed by Cyrus, he was the Lord’s instrument then, but this prophecy OF Judgement by the Lord Himself, refers to those nations that have now adopted beliefs and practices as a type of Babylon.

    Jeremiah 51:55 The advancing wave booms and roars like mighty waters, for the Lord is despoiling Babylon. [the ungodly nations] Isaiah 14:22-27

    2 Peter 3:7 & 10 The Day of the Lord will come unexpectedly. On that Day, the sky will disappear with a great rushing sound and flames will envelope the earth, all in it will be brought to judgement. Ref: REB. Some verses abridged and paraphrased.


    The great noise reaches to the ends of the earth’, All peoples will hear it and be terrified. It will strike the Middle East at mid day. Zephaniah 2:4

    the uproar from the holy Land is the sound of the Lord dealing retribution to His enemies’, destroying those who attack Israel and punishing His enemies worldwide. Psalms 94:1-7, Isaiah 66:15-17, Ezekiel 7:2-14, Micah 4:11-12, Hebrews 10:27

    People crawl into thickets and caves to hide’, The parallel prophecy is the Sixth Seal; Revelation 6:15 and Isaiah 2:21

    ‘the sky will disappear with a great sound’, Also paralleled by the Sixth Seal; Revelation 6:14, Isaiah 34:4, 2 Peter 3:10

    Sudden punishment from the Lord – thunder, earthquakes, storms of fire’, This can only be explained by a Coronal Mass Ejection, ‘the weapon of His wrath’, a sunstrike that suddenly hits the earth and it will literally cause all those graphically prophesied effects. Isaiah 30:25-28, Malachi 4:1 & 3

    Deuteronomy 32:34-35 & 22 The Lord has a punishment in His storehouse, awaiting the Day of vengeance, the Day My enemies make a mistake will be their doom. For fire is set ablaze by My anger, it envelopes the earth and penetrates deep underground.
     
  11. keras

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    Hosea 4:1-6 You inhabitants of the Land of Israel, hear the Word of the Lord: There is no good faith or loyalty and no [little] acknowledgement of God in the Land. People break oaths, they kill and commit adultery. Violence and apostasy rule, there is no justice. But it is not for mankind to bring charges, it is My contention and it is with you, the prophets and priests. Day and night you blunder on in your ignorance of My true Word. You bring your nation to ruin with your want of knowledge. As you reject the teaching of God, so I reject you as My priests.
    Therefore the Land will be made desolate and all who live in it will suffer, the animals, birds and even the fish will vanish.

    Hosea 4:7-19 The more priests there are, the more they sin against Me. Their dignity I shall turn into dishonour. The leaders of My people [Judah and Israel] have given themselves to immorality and strong drink, their wits are dulled and they seek advice from divinators. A people so devoid of understanding will soon come to grief, a powerful wind will hit them and they will realize their practices and beliefs are a delusion.

    Hosea 5:1-12 Hear then, you [church] leaders of My people: Sentence is passed on you because you have misled your flocks. I shall punish all those who spread false doctrines and now all Ephraim, Israel [the Western nations] have become promiscuous and their misdeeds have barred their way back to their God. So now a terrible invader is set to devour their lands.
    Sound the alarm! On the Day of wrath and punishment Ephraim will be laid waste, certain desolation is decreed for Israel and Judah.

    not for mankind to bring charges’ – Isa. 3:13-15, Zeph. 3:8, Mal. 3:5, Hebrews 10:26-27
    the Land made desolate’ – Isa.28:22, Eze.20:47, Jer.6:7, Jer.7:34, Zeph.1:18, Micah 1:6
    ‘a powerful wind will hit them’ – Jer.23:19, Jer.4:26-28, Psalm 3:14-15, Joel 1:15-20
    the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath’, Isa.13:9-13, Eze.30:3-5, Zeph.1:14-1, 2 Pet.3:10
    destruction decreed for Israel and Judah’ Jer.23:9-18, Isa.25:2, Isa 28:22, Amos 6:11
    ‘teachers and leaders of the flock judged’, James 3:1, Jer.23:1-2, Rev. 2:20-22

     
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  13. keras

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    Well Joshua; are you quite sure that God stands with the State of Israel too?
    He may have helped them with their wars, but that was so He could have a visible entity there while He worked with the true Israel of God, the born again Christian peoples. Not yet a nation, soon to become one in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 62:1-5
    That is our destiny and our great privilege.
     
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