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Featured God's purpose for Job?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Johnny4ChristJesus, Oct 23, 2018.

  1. Johnny4ChristJesus

    Johnny4ChristJesus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    What do you think God's reason(s) for sharing the Book of Job were?
     
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  2. LoreneDD

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    Being the first book of God's word to mankind it's saying that there's a deadly game of proving God's love and care of humans is not based on humans love of being a fed cow. (which basically satan was saying) Instead the love from humans has a very loyal quality when the desire of life is toward God.
    What I think Job learnt was that his integrity wasn't enough to get past the dangers that exist. He needed God's righteousness for his life to be effective. All that was his before was replaced but how can children be replaced? The only thing he changed was giving the inheritance due his daughters.
     
  3. Mountainmanbob

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    Who are you little man?
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  4. Hammster

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    His glory.
     
  5. Halbhh

    Halbhh The wonder and awe of His Creation! Supporter

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    Like Job we in mortal bodies will suffer and lose everything, health, loved ones passing, material goods will breakdown, fade and become of less value every day, until temporary things are lost, dust.

    We will all sit in dust and ashes in the fleshy way.

    What happened to Job will happen to all.

    But through faith, in spite of all this, we can trust God even though flesh and bones whither. If we do trust, we will gain far greater than we have had.

    But read through fully to get the amazing moments. It's got em. :)
     
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  6. brinny

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    It wasn't "about" Job.
     
  7. LoreneDD

    LoreneDD Well-Known Member

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    So what was it about? Job's wife? Curse God and die?
     
  8. brinny

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    It was about God and the accusations and insults against Him by Satan, the accuser.

    Satan's goal was to attempt to use Job to "curse God and die", as a demonstration that Job, who God described below, as the very "weapon" to rail against God.....to "stab God in the heart", so to speak:

    "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." ~Job 1:1

    The bottom line, is that God already knew Job's heart. Satan didn't. If he did, he never would've entered into this demonstration, using Job, in the first place.

    The ONLY one who was "defeated" here was not God, or Job, but it was Satan, as all of heaven witnessed.

    A key verse that gives us a glimpse into the "mystery" of Job, and Job's heart for God is this:

    "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding." ~pr 9:10

    And God ALREADY knew this. He KNEW Job's heart into the very intricacies and furthest recesses of it.

    The bottom line, is that Job was the epitome of a living and breathing example of this verse in action.

    Job was WISE. And that is because he FEARED God.

    This is why God described Job the way He did:

    "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." ~Job 1:1
     
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  9. Halbhh

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    Nicely explained Brinny!

    All of us will face this same test, that of Job, though less intensely (less all-at-once) usually, and just like Job, we can only make it if we truly trust, have faith, even though the fleshly situation has crumbled, and all is falling apart.

    We can know this -- from dust to dust is true, and it will happen to all.

    In our ashes and loss, we can turn, right in the very midst of the losses and pain, just like Job did, in the very center of the book, where Job says the most amazing thing, and we can know this very thing Job said there is true for us!
     
  10. straykat

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    I think Job is about God having faith in us this time.... rather than the other way around.

    Job is "proof of concept" that God's creation wasn't the disaster Satan always wanted it to be.
     
  11. LoreneDD

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    It was a vie for the throne that was being dealt with.

    Most assuredly satan uses those closest to another to stab people in the heart, which is what I meant by the reference to Job's wife, which is the same weapon used to stab Jesus and His followers, as the story progresses.

    God knew Job's heart and that his loyalty was to Him, which is what I said in the previous post. Satan only knew that to win the throne was to oust the one left in charge of earth, which before Christ was mankind.

    The only one's deterred were the legalistic friends. Satan wasn't defeated until Christ.

    I see no fear of the Lord in the book off Job. Just fear of what satan can do. If there's any mystery involved in the book of Job it would be why God allowed it.

    A mystery is the heart of mankind. Many verses on that.

     
  12. brinny

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    Satan was defeated in his attempt to use Job to "curse God and die".
    It was Job himself that epitomized a man who "feared the Lord", right here:

    "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." ~Job 1:1

    The reason that God described Job as "perfect and upright" and why he "eschewed evil", is because Job "feared God".

    And yes, Satan used Job's wife as a weapon against Job, on top of ev'ry thing else.
     
  13. LoreneDD

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    But missing is the point that Job needed to be covered in God's righteousness not his own integrity, hence the stripping away of all that was natural to him to come to the point of accepting God as the one in control.
     
  14. brinny

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    He was. That's why God said this about Job:

    "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." ~Job 1:1

    It is IMPOSSIBLE to "fear God" and to simultaneously be "self-righteous". God would've/could've NEVER used Job if he was.

    The entire scenario in the book of Job was not about "Job".
     
  15. LoreneDD

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    I agree it's not about Job. And because it's 'apparently' the first words spoken to mankind it should be given diligent attention. I have to disagree that it's impossible to fear God yet still be self-righteous. And because it's not about Job I think that is what is being demonstrated and why.
     
  16. icxn

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    The short answer: to teach us patience in temptations and sorrows.

    Job is also one of the three men that deliver a person from the consequences of sin. Noah and Daniel are the other two. (Ezekiel 14:14,16,18,20). In other words when we achieve rest from the passions of the flesh like Noah*, discerning judgment like Daniel and patience like Job. These three virtues deliver a person from sin.

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    * Noah means rest or repose.
     
  17. brinny

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    Self-righteousness is sin.

    It is not possible to fear God and to simultaneously harbor and glorify sin in one's heart (which is, in essence, "glorifying oneself", rather than God). It's a "slap in the face" and an insult to God, so to speak. And it is the antithesis of a heart that bows its own will to God's will, which is the epitome of "fearing God".

    Satan's sin originated in his "will-fullness", which has it's roots in "pride". He "worshiped himself" rather than God.
     
  18. Hillsage

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    I’ve heard a umber of sermons and teachings in my life based upon the book. What other reason would He need? He has also enlightened my heart to receive personal words concerning life situations. And He can do so by giving instructions from the words of a verse. Words which mayy not even fit the context of the verse, but they still fit the context of my life.
     
  19. LoreneDD

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    Remember too that it was written before the law was given so the friends also contain the seeds of legalism in all their forms. Another outline for God's people. But I'll have more time tonight. G'day
     
  20. disciple Clint

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    Job is a wisdom book and it is packed with wisdom. Pages and pages could be written about it.

    The primary question in Job is this, if you lose everything that is of value to you will you also lose your faith in God?

    Some other main points:

    satan is not free to do anything that he likes to God's faithful

    Everything we have comes from God and exists at the pleasure of God

    Physical affliction or sickness is not directly related to sin

    Our friends do not see us as we think they see us and they are not always what we hope they would be

    Even our spouse can become so distressed that they say things they do not mean

    We cannot begin to understand the logic and reason of God or why He allows things to happen

    God is however always just in His actions

    God always hears us when we cry out to Him

    God is also generous, Job received an increase in everything he had previously lost

    There is much more that could be said. Most scholars believe that the book is allegorical and was not written by Moses
     
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