God's laws chnage ervey day

[SkyWriting]

So far, no one has disputed this passage explaining that
God's laws change each day.

Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

 

[Dave-W]

So far, no one has disputed this passage explaining that
God's laws change each day.

Nope. God does not change and neither do His laws.

God's law says obey your civil leaders. But their directions and laws are NOT God's laws.

 

[tdidymas]

So far, no one has disputed this passage explaining that
God's laws change each day.

Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

I think you came to a false conclusion about it. This passage is not telling people to blindly obey the government in everything they say. Don't assume the worst of the statement, but rather the best. Assume that it means "insomuch as the governing laws do not violate what God's law says." Assume that what Paul means is that criminals will be punished by the government, therefore don't be a criminal. It rings true to what Peter wrote, "submit to governors as sent by God to punish evildoers and praise those who do right."

Since we know that God's law to love Him and our neighbor doesn't change, we understand that God's law doesn't change. It is man who changes, and his laws do the same. The reason why man's law is so changeable is because they do not understand how the love of God is to operate, and they are constantly trying to fix man's sinful nature by means of laws.

Nevertheless, we obey the laws anyway because we understand the providence of God and how He works among fallible men. That is, up to a point. When Peter and John were commanded by the magistrate not to preach in Jesus' name, they outright disobeyed, and openly gave reason why. Thus, we continue to be vigilant in trying to correct laws that violate God's will (or what we believe it to be), and at some point we must follow what our conscience dictates as opposed to what men tell us we must or cannot do.
TD

 

[chevyontheriver]

So far, no one has disputed this passage explaining that
God's laws change each day.

That would be a very modern view, and also a very Islamic view. Ably refuted by pope Benedict in his Regensburg address.

 

[SkyWriting]

That would be a very modern view, and also a very Islamic view. Ably refuted by pope Benedict in his Regensburg address.

He refuted this passage? It's even older than he is.

 

[Loren T.]

Nope. God does not change and neither do His laws.

God's law says obey your civil leaders. But their directions and laws are NOT God's laws.

And, if your civil leaders go against God's laws, you should not obey them. If genocide becomes legal, it is still wrong, because God says it is.

 

[Kaon]

So far, no one has disputed this passage explaining that
God's laws change each day.

Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

Did the Most High God Himself say His laws change everyday?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

God's laws remain the same, in principle. How the individual applies them can vary widely. God says, "love your neighbor as yourself." I eat cheap, wear old clothes, drive an old car, live a Spartan lifestyle. I do this because it is best for me (self love). However I wouldn't impose it on others even if they would benefit from it as well.

 

[SkyWriting]

I think you came to a false conclusion about it. This passage is not telling people to blindly obey the government in everything they say. Don't assume the worst of the statement, but rather the best. Assume that it means "insomuch as the governing laws do not violate what God's law says."

It's fairly wordy already. I don't feel the need to assume more words added into the paragraph.
How about I assume more scripture? Would that be better?

1 Peter 2:13-17
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.

Titus 3:1
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,

1 Timothy 2:1-3
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,

Daniel 2:20-21
Daniel answered and said: “Blessed be the name of God forever and ever, to whom belong wisdom and might. He changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings; he gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding;

Psalm 22:28
For kingship belongs to the Lord, and he rules over the nations.

Deuteronomy 16:18-20
“You shall appoint judges and officers in all your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, according to your tribes, and they shall judge the people with righteous judgment. You shall not pervert justice. You shall not show partiality, and you shall not accept a bribe, for a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and subverts the cause of the righteous. Justice, and only justice, you shall follow, that you may live and inherit the land that the Lord your God is giving you.

Romans 13:7
Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

Revelation 1:5-6
And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

 

[Dave-W]

And, if your civil leaders go against God's laws, you should not obey them. If genocide becomes legal, it is still wrong, because God says it is.

We can disobey them ONLY to the degree that to do so would involve us violating God's commands.

Your genocide example is a good case for that.
So would forced subservience to false deities and religions.

 

[SkyWriting]

Did the Most High God Himself say His laws change everyday?

Only when officials are in session somewhere in the world.

Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

 

[Kaon]

Only when officials are in session somewhere in the world.

Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

Where does the Most High God Himself say His laws change everyday?

Or, at all?

 

[SkyWriting]

Did the Most High God Himself say His laws change everyday?

So other than the mention of daily, you are on-board.

 

[SkyWriting]

Where does the Most High God Himself say His laws change everyday?

Or, at all?

Right. It does not say "every day. " Excellent point.

 

[Kaon]

So other than the mention of daily, you are on-board.

No, I asked where the Most High God said His laws change daily, "or, at all".

 

[SkyWriting]

Nope. God does not change and neither do His laws.

God's law says obey your civil leaders. But their directions and laws are NOT God's laws.

No, I asked where the Most High God said His laws change daily, "or, at all".

I'll refer you to scripture.

But can you dispute these passages?

Daniel 2:20-21
Daniel answered and said: “Blessed be the name of God forever and ever, to whom belong wisdom and might. He changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings; he gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding;

Romans 13:1
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

So we conclude God's laws change as He changers leaders.
Pretty simple logic flow.

 

[SkyWriting]

God's laws remain the same, in principle. How the individual applies them can vary widely. God says, "love your neighbor as yourself." I eat cheap, wear old clothes, drive an old car, live a Spartan lifestyle. I do this because it is best for me (self love). However I wouldn't impose it on others even if they would benefit from it as well.

Unless you vote.
Then you change God's laws
through leadership
put in place by God
through you.

"For there is no authority except from God,
and those that exist have been instituted by God."

 

[SkyWriting]

I think you came to a false conclusion about it. This passage is not telling people to blindly obey the government in everything they say. Don't assume the worst of the statement, but rather the best. Assume that it means "insomuch as the governing laws do not violate what God's law says." Assume that what Paul means is that criminals will be punished by the government, therefore don't be a criminal. It rings true to what Peter wrote, "submit to governors as sent by God to punish evildoers and praise those who do right."

Since we know that God's law to love Him and our neighbor doesn't change, we understand that God's law doesn't change. It is man who changes, and his laws do the same. The reason why man's law is so changeable is because they do not understand how the love of God is to operate, and they are constantly trying to fix man's sinful nature by means of laws.

Nevertheless, we obey the laws anyway because we understand the providence of God and how He works among fallible men. That is, up to a point. When Peter and John were commanded by the magistrate not to preach in Jesus' name, they outright disobeyed, and openly gave reason why. Thus, we continue to be vigilant in trying to correct laws that violate God's will (or what we believe it to be), and at some point we must follow what our conscience dictates as opposed to what men tell us we must or cannot do.
TD

I couldn't find any scripture to refute these passages either.
That's why I posted the topic.

1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3:1
1 Timothy 2:1-3
Daniel 2:20-21
Psalm 22:28
Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Romans 13:7
Revelation 1:5-6

 

[Kaon]

I'll refer you to scripture.

But can you dispute these passages?

Daniel 2:20-21
Daniel answered and said: “Blessed be the name of God forever and ever, to whom belong wisdom and might. He changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings; he gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding;

Romans 13:1
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

So we conclude God's laws change as He changers leaders.
Pretty simple logic flow.

God changes times and seasons, not His Laws.

Where does the Most High God say that He changed His Law? (He says quite the contrary.) In fact, it is the MAN OF PERDITION that changes the law and times (Daniel 7:25), not the Most High God.

 

[Dave-W]

So we conclude God's laws change as He changers leaders.
Pretty simple logic flow.

Your logic leap fell off the cliff.