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Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by LoveGodsWord, May 10, 2018.

  1. Bob S

    Bob S Well-Known Member Supporter

    When backed into a corner all there is left to do is accuse ex-SDAs of something because we know SDAs will never admit......
  2. tall73

    tall73 Sophia7's husband Supporter

    Yes, a lot of etc. And the many ministers within denomination who do not believe it, but haven't left yet.

    Yes, a number of people have figured out that Daniel 8 is talking about the little horn, not about the Day of Atonement.
  3. tall73

    tall73 Sophia7's husband Supporter

    You will have to clarify what exactly you read and watched.

    But it makes no difference. I didn't read any of the Adventist critics while studying out the issue. I read the Scriptures to start with. Then I read many Adventist defenders.

    But the context of Daniel 8 remains the same.

    I did eventually read some of the critics. And yes, many said the same. Because it is the same issue.
    Last edited: May 31, 2018
  4. tall73

    tall73 Sophia7's husband Supporter


    So she never authorized them to put in the RV, or the AV, or the others. But then she did ....she just didn't quote the bad parts.

    Which is it?

    If she was upset about them using it she had ample opportunity to express that as it happened again and again, in multiple books.

  5. tall73

    tall73 Sophia7's husband Supporter

    So as long as I don't quote those texts, I can use the RV, correct?

    Why do you think she did quote the RV by the way? Because she liked it better in that reading than the KJV?
  6. tall73

    tall73 Sophia7's husband Supporter


    As you are aware, that doesn't match up with the account of her son, which you quoted yourself.

    The E. G. White Counsel on Versions of the Bible

    "When the first revision was published, I purchased a good copy and gave it to Mother. She referred to it occasionally, but never used it in her preaching. Later on, as manuscripts were prepared for her new books and for revised editions of books already in print, Sister White's attention was called from time to time by myself and Sister Marian Davis, to the fact that she was using texts which were much more clearly translated in the Revised Version. Sister White studied each one carefully, and in some cases she instructed us to use the Revised Version. In other cases she instructed us to adhere to the Authorized Version.

    And it doesn't match up with it happening again and again, in book after book.
  7. tall73

    tall73 Sophia7's husband Supporter


    A. If you want to argue for the TR as superior to the UBS, that is fine. I use a TR based Bible, that has the readings of the Majority text as well. I believe the witness of the church over the centuries in preserving the majority text shows they rejected the other.

    B. You downplayed the Greek, etc. Ellen White did not:

    "God had faithful witnesses to whom He committed the truth, and who preserved the Word of God. The manuscripts of the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures have been preserved through the ages by a miracle of God." Letter 32, 1899.

    C. That doesn't explain why Ellen White would confuse people by quoting ANY of the RV if it was a problem.
  8. tall73

    tall73 Sophia7's husband Supporter

    So she used the RV, AV, etc. and left the impression it was OK to use these tainted versions, because it was convenient?

    Yes, but are you claiming different versions of history were evil as you are with the RV?

    This point needs clarification. So the Tyndale was God's word? The Bishop's Bible was God's word?

    Or only the KJB?

    And when you say perfectly, you mean no mistakes?

    Oh they may find the fact that she quoted from these evil Bibles interesting.
  9. tall73

    tall73 Sophia7's husband Supporter

    We are only on this topic to begin with because you decided to go on a tangent about how useless Greek, interlinears, scholars, or context are in study.
  10. The7thColporteur

    The7thColporteur Well-Known Member

    United States
    Let's look at Daniel 8's "Prince" or "princes", and see how it deals with the High Priesthood of Christ Jesus, and the Sanctuary in Heaven:

    There are many High priests, and chief shepherds of the Temple, whom are called the “princes” [H8269] of the sanctuary, and Jesus is the High priest, the Chief Shepherd over them all, though He be one of many “brethren” [Hebrews 2:11 KJB]:

    Isaiah 43:28 KJB - Therefore I have profaned the princes of the sanctuary, and have given Jacob to the curse, and Israel to reproaches.

    Ezra 8:24 KJB - Then I separated twelve of the chief of the priests, Sherebiah, Hashabiah, and ten of their brethren with them,

    Ezra 8:29 KJB - Watch ye, and keep them, until ye weigh them before the chief of the priests and the Levites, and chief of the fathers of Israel, at Jerusalem, in the chambers of the house of the LORD.

    Ezra 10:5 KJB - Then arose Ezra, and made the chief priests, the Levites, and all Israel, to swear that they should do according to this word. And they sware.​

    Notice that Gabriel identifies this priestly aspect of Jesus/Michael, as the “great prince” who “stands for” the children of Israel, and intercedes for them before the Father and saves them from their troubles and enemies:

    Daniel 10:21 KJB - But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.

    Daniel 12:1 KJB - And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.​

    Jesus is the arch-shepherd, the chief shepherd, over all of the under [lesser] shepherds [pastors] of the flock:

    [1] G750:

    The Koine Greek: ἀρχιποίμην
    The Transliterated Koine Greek: archipoimēn

    This word is variously translated in the King James Bible as [according to the E-Sword King James Concordance]:

    Total KJB Occurrences: 2

    chief, 1

    1 Peter 5:4​

    shepherd, 1

    1 Peter 5:4

    1 Peter 5:1 KJB - The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:

    1 Peter 5:2 KJB - Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

    1 Peter 5:3 KJB - Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.

    1 Peter 5:4 KJB - And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.​


    Ecclesiastes 12:11 KJB - The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.​

    Jesus is the High [arch] Priest over many other priests [which we have seen are already designated as 'angels' or messengers [Malachi 2:7 KJB], of which His people, are a nation of kings and priests [Exodus 19:5,6; Isaiah 61:6, 66:21; Revelation 1:6, 5:10, 20:6 KJB], a royal priesthood [1 Peter 2:9 KJB]:​

    [2] G748:

    The Koine Greek: ἀρχιερατικός
    The Transliterated Koine Greek: archieratikos

    This word is variously translated in the King James Bible as [according to the E-Sword King James Concordance]:

    Total KJB Occurrences: 1

    priest, 1

    Acts 4:6​

    Acts 4:6 KJB - And Annas the high priest, and Caiaphas, and John, and Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest, were gathered together at Jerusalem.​

    [3] G749:

    The Koine Greek: ἀρχιερεύς
    The Transliterated Koine Greek: archiereus

    This word is variously translated in the King James Bible as [according to the E-Sword King James Concordance]:

    Total KJB Occurrences: 248

    priests, 68

    Matthew 2:4, 16:21, 20:18, 21:15,23,45, 26:3,14,47,59, 27:1,3,6,12,20,41,62, 28:11; Mark 8:31, 10:33, 11:18,27, 14:1,10,43,53,55, 15:1,3,10-11 (2),31; Luke 3:2, 9:22, 19:47, 20:1,19, 22:2,4,52,66, 23:4,10,13,23, 24:20; John 7:32,45, 11:47,57, 12:10, 18:3,35, 19:6,15,21; Acts 5:23-24 (2), 9:14,21, 19:14, 22:30, 25:14-15 (2), 26:10,12; Hebrews 7:27-28 (2)​

    chief, 65

    Matthew 2:4, 16:21, 20:18, 21:15,23,45, 26:3,14,47,59, 27:1,3,6,12,20,41,62, 28:11; Mark 8:31, 10:33, 11:18,27, 14:1,10,43,53,55, 15:1,3,10-11 (2),31; Luke 9:22, 19:47, 20:1,19, 22:2,4,52,66, 23:4,10,13,23, 24:20; John 7:32,45, 11:47,57, 12:10, 18:3,35, 19:6,15,21; Acts 5:23-24 (2), 9:14,21, 19:14, 22:30, 25:14-15 (2), 26:10,12​

    high, 59

    Matthew 26:3,51,57-58 (2),62-63 (2),65; Mark 2:26, 14:47,53-54 (2),60-61 (2),63,66; Luke 3:2, 22:50,54; John 11:49,51, 18:10,13,15-16 (3),19,22,24,26; Acts 4:6 (2), 5:17,21,27, 9:1 (2), 22:5, 23:2,4-5 (2), 25:1-2 (2); Hebrews 2:17, 3:1, 4:14-15 (2), 5:1,5,10, 6:20, 7:26-28 (3), 8:1,3, 9:7,11,25, 13:11​

    priest, 52

    Matthew 26:3,57,62-63 (2),65; Mark 2:26, 14:47,53-54 (2),60-61 (2),63,66; Luke 22:50; John 11:49,51, 18:13,15-16 (3),19,22,24,26; Acts 4:6, 5:17,21,24,27, 9:1 (2), 22:5, 23:2,4-5 (2), 25:1-2 (2); Hebrews 2:17, 3:1, 4:14-15 (2), 5:1,5,10, 6:20, 7:26, 8:1,3, 9:7,11,25, 13:11​

    priest’s, 4

    Matthew 26:51,58; Luke 22:54; John 18:10​

    Hebrews 2:17 KJB - Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

    Hebrews 3:1 KJB - Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

    Hebrews 4:14 KJB - Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

    Hebrews 4:15 KJB - For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

    Hebrews 5:1 KJB - For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:

    Hebrews 5:5 KJB - So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

    Hebrews 5:10 KJB - Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

    Hebrews 6:20 KJB - Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

    Hebrews 7:26 KJB - For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

    Hebrews 7:27 KJB - Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

    Hebrews 7:28 KJB - For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

    Hebrews 8:1 KJB - Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

    Hebrews 8:3 KJB - For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

    Hebrews 9:7 KJB - But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

    Hebrews 9:11 KJB - But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

    Hebrews 9:25 KJB - Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

    Hebrews 13:11 KJB - For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

    Hebrews 13:12 KJB - Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.​
  11. The7thColporteur

    The7thColporteur Well-Known Member

    United States
    Let's look a little more at the 2,300 days/years:

    20 Reasons to apply the Day/Year principle [and there are more in scripture KJB] - https://secretsunsealed.org/content/PDF_downloads/20-Reasons-To-Apply-The-Year-Day-Principle.pdf

    It was Samuel Sheffield Snow [S. S. Snow of the seventh month movement within the greater Miller/Adventists movement] that came to the October 22, 1844 date based upon the Karite [Bible, Abib moon] reckoning, rather than the Hillel II rabinical fixed reckoning. Any may see S. S. Snow's calculation on the E G White CD Rom, under section "Words of the Advent Pioneers", "PIONEER AUTHORS", author "Snow, Samuel Sheffield (1806-1890)", or may also be found at the EGWhite estate website here - The True Midnight Cry, vol. 1, no. 1 -- Ellen G. White Writings

    "... of A. D. 34. This was the termination of the seventy weeks. From that point, 1810 years remained to the end of the 2300 days. And from the 7th month of A. D. 34, 1810 years extend to the 7th month of A. D. 1844. {August 22, 1844 SSS, TRMC 3.1} ..." - PERIODICALs, "The True Midnight Cry, Volume 1 (partial) (August 1844); The True Midnight Cry, Vol. 1, No. 1 (August 22, 1844); August 22, 1844, The 2300 Days & The Seventy Weeks​

    see also S.S. Snow [Jubilee Standard, May 29, 1845, written after the Great Disappointment], shows his calculations on Daniel 8:13-14,26, see section "PROPHETIC CHRONOLOGY.—Continued" - The Jubilee Standard, vol. 1 -- Ellen G. White Writings

    The date of October 22, 1844, which date is arrived at through scriptural and historical chronology, beginning with the 7th Year of Artaxerxes I Longimanus/Machrocheir in Ezra 7, see also Ezra 6:14, and "the commandment of God" and the three kings, Cyrus II the great [Ezra 1; 2 Chronicles 36], Darius I Hystaspes the Persian [Ezra 5-6], and Artaxerxes I the Great Longimanus/Machrocheir [Ezra 7:7-28; whose 7th Year, and the 3rd and complete decree, giving autonomy and death penalty back to Israel, was in 457 BC, fall], which ties into Daniel 9:24-27, "from the going forth of the commandment".

    The 2300 Days of Daniel 8:14, from Non-Millerite, and Pre-Adventist Sources:

    This is just a few of the quotations, from a study I am presently doing, and have many other sources being considered at this time, and is still in progress.

    Church of Ireland; Irish Clergyman and Scientific Writer: William Hales (AD 8 April 1747 – AD 30 January 1831) on Daniel 7:25, 8:14, 9:24:

    Daniel 7:25, 8:14, 9:24:

    “... [page 11] 3. If now we count forward ... the prophetic division of the 1260 years ... and included perhaps in that specified by Daniel VIII, 13-14, as of consisting of "2300 [page 11-12] prophetic days, or years," will be closed; supposing it to commence with Daniel's "70 prophetic weeks," or 490 years ...

    ... And according to the still more sagacious conjecture, of the learned and worthy Layman - (and Irishman too, were I at liberty to divulge his name) - in a Comment on the Revelation, 8vo, 1787, Payne, reckoning the 70 weeks the former branch of the grand prophetic period of 2300 days - and the latter 2300 - 490 = 1810 ...”

    “... [page 76] (at the end of the grand prophetic period of 2300 days, Dan. VIII. 14.) ...”

    “... [page 145] and the commencement of Daniel's 70 weeks, (forming the first branch of the grand prophetic period of 2300 days, VIII. 14.) ...”

    “... [page 199] the amazing commentary, as it is the further illustration of the grand prophetic period of 2300 days in the preceeding chapter, Dan. VIII. ...”

    “... [page 206] the assumed commencement of the 70 weeks, and also of the grand prophetic period of 2300 days ...”

    “... [page 207] 26. And after the sixty and two weeks, before specified, as the largest division of the 70, was the Anointed [Leader] "cut off" judicially, by an iniquitous sentence, in the midst of the one week, which formed the third and last division, and began with our Lord's Baptism, about AD 27 - "When he was beginning to be thirty years of age," and commenced his mission, which lasted three years and half until his crucifixion, about AD 31.

    27. During this one week, which ended about AD 34, (about the martyrdom of Stephan,) a new covenant was established with many of the Jews, of every class; in the midst of which the Temple sacrifice was virtually abrogated by the all-sufficient sacrifice of the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the [repentant and believing] world. ...”

    “... [page 259]

    Grand Prophetic Period of 2300 days - 149

    First Division, 70 Weeks, or 490 years - 200

    The 7 Weeks - - - - - 205

    62 Weeks - - - - - - 207

    1 Weeks - - - - - 207,208

    Second Division, 1810 Years - - - .ib.

    1260 Days (Note a) - - - -8,63

    1290 Days - - - - - 34

    1335 Days - - - - - 35 ...” [The Inspector, or Select Literary Intelligence for the Vulgar; AD 1798 … [select pages], written in 1799] - The inspector, or Select literary intelligence

    Methodist: Adam Clarke (AD 1760 or AD 1762 – AD 1832) Commentary, on Numbers 14:34; Ezekiel 4:4,6; Daniel 7:25, 8:14,26, 9:24,25,27; Revelation 12:14, quoted in relevant part:

    Numbers 14:34:

    “... After the number of the days - The spies were forty days in searching the land, and the people who rebelled on their evil report are condemned to wander forty years in the wilderness! ...” - http://biblehub.com/commentaries/clarke/numbers/14.htm

    Ezekiel 4:4:

    “... 4. The days signify years, a day for a year; during which they were to bear their iniquity, or the temporal punishment due to their sins. ...” - Ezekiel 4 Clarke's Commentary

    Ezekiel 4:6:

    Forty days - Reckon, says Archbishop Newcome, near fifteen years and six months in the reign of Manasseh, two years in that of Amon, three months in that of Jehoahaz, eleven years in that of Jehoiakim, three months and ten days in that of Jehoiachin, and eleven years in that of Zedekiah; and there arises a period of forty years, during which gross idolatry was practiced in the kingdom of Judah. ...” - Ezekiel 4 Clarke's Commentary

    Daniel 7:25:

    “... Until a time and times and the dividing of time - In prophetic language a time signifies a year; and a prophetic year has a year for each day. Three years and a half (a day standing for a year, … ) will amount to one thousand two hundred and sixty years, if we reckon thirty days to each month, as the Jews do.

    If we knew precisely when the papal power began to exert itself in the antichristian way, then we could at once fix the time of its destruction. The end is probably not very distant; it has already been grievously shaken by the French. In 1798 the French republican army under General Berthier took possession of the city of Rome, and entirely superseded the whole papal power. This was a deadly wound, though at present it appears to be healed; but it is but skinned over, and a dreadful cicatrice remains. The Jesuits, not Jesus, are now the Church's doctors. ...” - Daniel 7 Clarke's Commentary

    Daniel 8:14:

    "Unto two thousand and three hundred days - Though literally it be two thousand three hundred evenings and mornings. Yet I think the prophetic day should be understood here, as in other parts of this prophet, and must signify so many years. …" - Daniel 8 Clarke's Commentary

    Daniel 8:26:

    “... The vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true - That mentioned in Daniel 8:14.

    For it shall be for many days - Not less than two thousand three hundred years! ...” - Daniel 8 Clarke's Commentary

    Daniel 9:24,25,27:

    “... When thus supplicating God in behalf of Israel, the angel Gabriel is sent to inform him of the seventy prophetic weeks, or four hundred and ninety natural years ...

    ... [vs 24] Seventy weeks are determined - The Jews had Sabbatic years, Leviticus 25:8, by which their years were divided into weeks of years, as in this important prophecy, each week containing seven years. The seventy weeks therefore here spoken of amount to four hundred and ninety years. ...

    ... [vs 25] And if we reckon back four hundred and ninety years, we shall find the time of the going forth of this command. ...

    ... Four hundred and ninety years, reckoned back ... the very month and year in which Ezra had his commission from Artaxerxes Longimanus, king of Persia, (see Ezra 7:9), to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. See the commission in Ezra 7:11-26 (note), and Prideaux'sConnexions, vol. 2 p.

    The above seventy weeks, or four hundred and ninety years, are divided ...

    I. Seven weeks, that is, forty-nine years.

    II.-Sixty-two weeks, that is, four hundred and thirty-four years.

    III. One week, that is, seven years. ...

    ... the first period of seven weeks ... forty-nine years ...

    From the above seven weeks the second period of sixty-two weeks, or four hundred and thirty-four years more, commences, at the end of which the prophecy says, Messiah the Prince should come, that is, seven weeks, or forty-nine years, should be allowed for the restoration of the Jewish state; from which time till the public entrance of the Messiah on the work of the ministry should be sixty-two weeks, or four hundred and thirty-four years, in all four hundred and eighty-three years.

    From the coming of our Lord, the third period is to be dated, viz., "He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week," that is seven years, Daniel 9:27. ...

    ... These seven years, added to the four hundred and eighty-three, complete the four hundred and ninety years, or seventy prophetic weeks ...

    ... [vs 27] I have only to add that this mode of reckoning years and periods by weeks is not solely Jewish. Macrobius, in his book on Scipio's dream, has these remarkable words: Sed a sextausqueadseptimamseptimanam fit quidemdiminutio, sedocculta, et quae detrimentumsuumapertadefectione non prodat: ideononnullarumrerumpublicarum hic mosest, ut post sextamadmilitiamnemocogatur; Somn. Scip., lib. 1 c. , in fine. "From the sixth to the seventh week, there is a diminution of strength; but it is hidden, and does not manifest itself by any outward defect. Hence it was the custom in some republics not to oblige a man to go to the wars after the sixth week, i.e., after forty-two years of age." ...” - Daniel 9 Clarke's Commentary

    Revelation 12:14:

    "... It is said here that the period for which the woman should be nourished in the wilderness would be a time, times, and a half; consequently this period is the same with the twelve hundred and sixty days of Rev_12:6. ...

    ... by understanding a time to signify a year; times, two years; and half a time, half a year; i.e., three years and a half. And as each prophetic year contains three hundred and sixty days, so three years and a half will contain precisely twelve hundred and sixty days. The Apocalypse being highly symbolical, it is reasonable to expect that its periods of time will also be represented symbolically, that the prophecy may be homogeneous in all its parts. The Holy Spirit, when speaking of years symbolically, has invariably represented them by days, commanding, e. gr., the Prophet Ezekiel to lie upon his left side three hundred and ninety days, that it might be a sign or symbol of the house of Israel bearing their iniquity as many years; and forty days upon his right side, to represent to the house of Judah in a symbolical manner, that they should bear their iniquity forty years, The one thousand two hundred and threescore days, therefore, that the woman is fed in the wilderness, must be understood symbolically, and consequently denote as many natural years. ...

    ... The woman is nourished for one thousand two hundred and threescore years from the face of the serpent, …" - Revelation 12 Clarke's Commentary
  12. The7thColporteur

    The7thColporteur Well-Known Member

    United States
    More on the 2,300 day/years:

    Methodist: Rev. Joseph Benson (AD 1749 – AD 1821) Commentary, on Numbers 14:34; Ezekiel 4:4-6; Daniel 7:25, 8:13, 9:24,25,26,27; Revelation 2:10, quoted in relevant part:

    Numbers 14:34:

    “... Numbers 14:34 Each day for a year — So there should have been forty years to come, but God was pleased mercifully to accept of the time past as a part of that time. ...” - Numbers 14 Benson Commentary

    Ezekiel 4:4-6:

    “... And lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days, &c. — From the days that I shall order thee to lie upon thy left side thou shalt understand how many years I have borne with their iniquity, for each day was to signify a year: see Ezekiel 4:6. Thou shalt bear their iniquity — Thou shalt, in the way of a sign or symbol, suffer for their iniquity, namely, in lying so long upon one side. Or, thou shalt pre-signify the punishment which they shall bear. For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity — This verse explains the former: I have pointed out the number of years wherein apostate Israel sinned against me. According to the number of days, three hundred and ninety days — This number of years will take us back, with sufficient exactness, from the year in which Jerusalem was sacked by Nebuchadnezzar to the first year of Jeroboam’s reign, when national idolatry began in Israel.” — Bishop Newcome. Some, however, rather suppose that the years are meant which intervened between the falling of Solomon into idolatry, and the carrying away of the ten tribes by Shalmanezer, at which time they entirely ceased to be a nation or people of themselves, and were wholly dispersed and mixed with other nations. Thou shalt bear the iniquity of Judah forty daysSo many years there were from the time when King Josiah entered into a solemn covenant to serve and worship God, (from whence their future idolatry received a great aggravation,) to the destruction of the city and temple. I have appointed thee each day for a year — Days frequently stand for years in the prophetical accounts of time. ...” - http://biblehub.com/commentaries/benson/ezekiel/4.htm

    Daniel 7:25:

    "... And they shall be given, &c. — “A time, all agree, signifies a year; and a time, and times, and the dividing of time, or half a time, are three years and a half; and the ancient Jewish year, consisting of twelve months, and each month of thirty days, a time, and times, and half a time, or three years and a half, are reckoned in the Revelation 11:2-3; Revelation 12:6; Revelation 12:14, as equivalent to forty-two months, or twelve hundred and sixty days; and a day, in the style of the prophets, is a year; (see Ezekiel 4:4;) and it is confessed that the seventy weeks, in Daniel 9. are weeks of years, and consequently twelve hundred and sixty days are twelve hundred and sixty years. ... these twelve hundred and sixty years ... twelve hundred and sixty years ..." - Bishop Newton" - Daniel 7 Benson Commentary

    Daniel 8:13:

    “... It must, however, be remembered, that many interpreters understand these days in the same sense in which days are generally understood by this prophet, namely, for years; and thus refer the prophecy to antichrist, ... This will carry us on to a still distant time in the church of God, to the completion of that opposition to the church of Christ which has been wished for long since, when the sanctuary will be perfectly cleansed, and to which the twelve hundred ninety and thirteen hundred thirty-five years of chap. 12. must have a reference. Sir Isaac Newton, Obs., chap. 9., not only reckons the days to be years, but will have the horn to be Rome, and does not refer it at all to Antiochus; and in this he is followed, in a great measure, by Bishop Newton ...” - Daniel 8 Benson Commentary

    Daniel 9:24,25,26,27:

    “... [vs 24] Daniel 9:24. Seventy weeks, &c. — Weeks not of days, but of years, or, seventy times seven years, that is, four hundred and ninety years, each day being accounted a year according to the prophetic way of reckoning, (see note on Daniel 7:25,) a way often used in Scripture, especially in reckoning the years of jubilee, which correspond with these numbers in Daniel: see Leviticus 25:8. See also Genesis 29:27, where, to fulfil her week, is explained by performing another seven years’ service for Rachel; and Numbers 14:34, where we read, that according to the number of the days which the spies employed in searching out the land of Canaan, even forty days, the Israelites were condemned to bear their iniquities, even forty years. Thus God says likewise to Ezekiel, contemporary with Daniel, I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days three hundred and ninety days. I have appointed thee EACH DAY FOR A YEAR. Nor was this mode of expression in use only among the Jews; for Varro, speaking of himself, says, he was entered into the twelfth week of his age, at the close of which he would have been eighty-four years old. In these instances, the days evidently denote solar years, which were in use throughout the Jewish history; so that there is no probability that the angel should here intend any such singularity, as counting by lunar years. ...

    ... [vs 25] The third decree, which was that of Artaxerxes Longimanus, recorded at large Ezra 7:12-26, “was of great solemnity and efficacy, importing no less than the restoration of the Jewish constitution, both civil and ecclesiastical, providing in the first place for the re-establishment of divine worship with becoming order and magnificence, exempting the priesthood from all taxes; then, for the civil government of the people, the institution of tribunals, and the administration of justice, according to the law of Moses. This decree answers to all the characters of the prophecy, the restoring of the constitution, the rebuilding of the city, and the chronological periods distinctly specified,” and is, no doubt, here chiefly intended. ...

    ... the archangel commences the seventy weeks, not from the actual rebuilding the walls and streets, but from the going forth of the commandment to restore and rebuild them. So that the date of the first edict, not the work itself, is the epoch from whence begins the period of four hundred and ninety years. ...” — Apthorp. ...

    ... shall be seven weeks ... in forty-nine years ... the interval of forty-nine years ... ” — Dr. Apthorp. ...

    ... [vs 26] Daniel 9:26. After threescore and two weeks ... or four hundred and thirty- four years; ending with the sixty-ninth [prophetic] week, and with the commencing of our Lord’s ministry. ... For sixty-two weeks, or four hundred and thirty-four years, added to seven weeks, or forty-nine years, are equal to four hundred and eighty- three years. After which period, or in the last one week, containing seven years, the Messiah should be cut off. ..." — Dr. Apthorp.

    ... [vs 27] For one week — ... from his baptism. The first half week of Daniel is from the beginning of Christ’s first preaching, Mark 1:15, Repent ye, and believe the gospel ... in one week, or seven years ...” - Daniel 9 Benson Commentary

    Revelation 2:10:

    "... ten days — That is, a considerable time: for, as Lowman observes, It is not to be understood literally, which would have been a short time of affliction indeed, and hardly agreeable to such a description of that tribulation as this prophecy seems to have been intended to prepare the church for Bishop Newton supposes that these ten days mean ten years, according to the usual style of prophecy; and that the persecution of Dioclesian is referred to, which lasted that time, and was the greatest persecution that the primitive church ever endured, most grievously afflicting all the Asian, and indeed all the eastern churches. This persecution, he thinks, and none of the other general persecutions, answers the character here given, none of the others lasting so long as ten years. …" - Revelation 2 Benson Commentary

    Roman Catholic (Layman, Scientist): Arnold of Villanova (AD 1235 – AD 1313), on Daniel 8:14:

    Daniel 8:14: "... When he says 'two thousand three hundred days' it must be said that by days he understands years. This is clear through the explanation of the angel when he says that in the end the vision will be fulfilled, from which he gives it to be understood by clear expression that in that vision by days are understood years. ..." - Translated from Arnold of Villanova, Introductio in Librum [Joachim] De Semine, fol. 7 v, col. 2, line 34 to fol. 8 r, col. 1, line 2. "... It is not unaccustomed, in the Scripture of God, for days to under-stand years. Nay, it is certainly usual and frequent. Whence also the Spirit in Ezekiel testifies: 'A day for a year I have reckoned to you. ..." - Translated from Arnold of Villanova, Introductio in Librum [Joachim] De Semine,, fol. 8 r, col. 1, lines 14-20. As translated/quoted in Leroy Edwin Froom, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Volume 1; Page 750 " ... 'Up to the evening and the morning, two thousand three hundred days.' By a day, however, he understands a year. ..." - Tractatus de Tempore Adventus Antichristi (Treatise on the Time of the Coming of Antichrist), fol. 59 v, col. 2 to fol. 60 r, col. 2. As translated/quoted in LeRoy Edwin Froom, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Volume 1, Page 752 " ... 'From the time when the continual sacrifice will have been taken away, and there will have been set up'—that is, up to the time when will be set up—`the abomination upon the desolation' namely, of the faithful people, 'a thousand two hundred and ninety days.' And here, just as above, by a day a year is understood, which is clear through what precedes, since it says 'And when the dispersion of the power of the holy people, all these things will be completed.' ..." - Tractatus de Tempore Adventus Antichristi (Treatise on the Time of the Coming of Antichrist), fol. 61 r, col. 2, line 28 to fol. 61 v, col. 1, lin. As translated/quoted in LeRoy Edwin Froom, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Volume 1, Page 753 " ... it is certain, as was clear above, that Daniel under the name of days gives us to understand years and not usual days ...” “... such an understanding agrees with the common concepts of men and the truth of Sacred Scripture commonly known. ..." - Tractatus de Tempore Adventus Antichristi (Treatise on the Time of the Coming of Antichrist), fol. 63 r, col. 1, lines 21-32. As translated/quoted in LeRoy Edwin Froom, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Volume 1, Page 754-755 - http://docs.adventistarchives.org/docs/PFOF/PFOF1950-V01.pdf#view=fit
    Other, Scientist: Sir Isaac Newton (AD 25 December 1642 – AD 20 March 1727) Commentary on Daniel & Revelation; Daniel 8:14; Revelation 2:10, quoted in relevant part:

    Daniel 8:14: "...[8] Daniel, one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. Daniel's days are years ...

    ... The Sanctuary and Host were trampled under foot 2300 days; and in Daniel's Prophecies days are put for years: but the profanation of the Temple in the reign of Antiochus did not last so many natural days. …" - Observations Upon the Prophecies of Daniel, the Apocalypse of St. John; Chapter IX - Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John Revelation 2:10:

    "... The tribulation of ten days can agree to no other persecution than that of Dioclesian, it being the only persecution which lasted ten years. …" - Observations Upon the Apocalypse of St. John Volume 2; Page 290; - Observations upon the prophecies of Daniel, and the apocalypse of St. John
  13. The7thColporteur

    The7thColporteur Well-Known Member

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    The Time Prophecis themselves in connection to the Investigative Judgment:

    [1,290, AD 508 unto AD 1798]
    Daniel 12:11 KJB - "... a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

    [1,335, AD 508 unto AD 1843/44]
    Daniel 12:12 KJB - "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."
    Revelation 14:13 KJB - "... Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth ..."

    [70 Weeks, 62 + 7 + 1 [1/2 + 1/2], 457 BC unto AD 27 [Baptism], unto AD 31 [Cross], unto AD 34 [Stephen], then the remaining 1810, unto AD 1843/44]
    Daniel 9:24-27 KJB - Whole ...

    [5 Anti-typical feast Months, AD 31-100, unto AD 1833/34, Day of Trumpets, from Pentecost; Leviticus 23; Woe 1, Woe 2 and Woe 3, encomapssing the whole 'Exodus', 'Wilderness' unto 'Canaan']
    Revelation 9:5 KJB - "... five months ..."
    Revelation 9:6 KJB - "... those days ..."
    Revelation 9:10 KJB - "... five months ..."
    Genesis 7:24 KJB - "... an hundred and fifty days ..."
    Genesis 8:3 KJB - "... end of the hundred and fifty days ..."
    Luke 1:24 KJB - ".... five months ..."

    [1,260, 42 months, time, times and 1/2 time; AD 538 unto AD 1798]
    Daniel 7:25 KJB - "... a time and times and the dividing of time." ["wear out the saints"]
    Daniel 12:7 KJB - "... a time, times, and a half ..." ["scatter the power of the holy people"]
    Matthew 24:29 KJB - "... the tribulation of those days ..." [reference to Daniel]
    Mark 13:24 KJB - "...that tribulation ..." [reference to Daniel]
    Luke 21:24 KJB - "... the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."
    Revelation 6:11 KJB - "... killed as they were ..." [two groups, past and future, see Rev. 20:4 KJB]
    Revelation 11:2 KJB - "... given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."
    Revelation 11:3 KJB - "... a thousand two hundred and threscroe days ..."
    Revelation 12:6 KJB - "... a thousand two hundred and threescore days."
    Revelation 12:14 KJB - "... a time, and times, and a half a time ..." ["persectued", see vs 13]
    Revelation 13:5 KJB - " ... forty and two months." ["power" was given to "him" [1st [sea] Beast, Rev. 13]]

    [Great Lisbon Earthquake, AD 1755, November 1]

    Revelation 6:12 KJB - "... a great earthquake ..."

    [Great Dark Day, AD 1780, May 19 - The Sun]
    Joel 2:10 KJB - "... the sun ... shall be dark ..."
    Joel 2:31 KJB - "The sun shall be turned into darkness ..."
    Matthew 24:29 KJB - "... shall the sun be darkened ..."
    Mark 13:24 KJB - "... the sun shall be darkened ..."
    Luke 21:25 KJB - "And there shall be signs in the sun ..."
    Acts 2:20 KJB - "The sun shall be turned into darkness ..."
    Revelation 6:12 KJB - "... and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair ..."

    [Great Dark Day, AD 1780, May 19 - The Moon]
    Joel 2:10 KJB - "... and the moon shall be dark ..."
    Joel 2:31 KJB - "... and the moon into blood ..." [before the great and terrible day of the LORD come]
    Matthew 24:29 KJB - "... and the moon shall not give her light ..."
    Mark 13:24 KJB - "... and the moon shall not give her light,"
    Luke 21:25 KJB - "... and in the moon ..."
    Acts 2:20 KJB - "... and the moon into blood ..." [before that great and notable day of the Lord come]]
    Revelation 6:12 KJB - "... and the moon became as blood;"

    [Reign of Terror, French Revolution, AD 1793 unto AD 1797/8; 'spiritually Egypt and Sodom', begin counting 50 years unto 1843/44, Jubilee, from 1798 begin countint 46 years, John 2:20 KJB]
    Revelation 11:9 KJB - "... three days and an half ..."
    Revelation 11:11 KJB - "... after three days and a half ..."

    [Great Leonid Meteor Shower, AD 1833, November 13]
    Matthew 24:29 KJB - "... and the stars shall fall from heaven ..."
    Mark 13:25 KJB - "And the stars of heaven shall fall ..."
    Luke 21:25 KJB - "... and in the stars ..."
    Revelation 6:13 KJB - "And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth ..."

    [Day of Atonement, AD 1844, October 22; 2,300 which began in 457 BC, Ezra 7, Daniel 9, etc ending in AD 1843/44]
    Daniel 8:14 KJB - "... Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."
    Revelation 9:15 KJB - "... prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year ..." [Revelation 14:6-7; Leviticus 23:26-32; 1 Kings 8:2; Daniel 8:13,14,26, KJB etc]
    Revelation 10:6 KJB - "... that there should be time no longer ..." [no more prophetic time as a test]

    Luke 21:25 KJB - "... and upon earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;"

    Isaiah 13:7 KJB - "Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:"
    Isaiah 13:8 KJB - "And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrow shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth ..."
    Luke 21:26 KJB - "Men's heart's failing them from fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth ..."

    Isaiah 13:10 KJB - "For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine."
    Joel 2:10 KJB - "... and the stars shall withdraw their shining:"
    Joel 3:15 KJB - "The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining."

    [The Close of probation for mankind in receiving and assimilating the Everlasting Gospel]

    Daniel 12:1 KJB -"And at that time shall Michael stand up ... there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time ..."
    Luke 13:25 KJB - "When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without ..."
    Revelation 10:7 KJB - "In the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished ..."
    Revelation 22:11 KJB - "He that is unjust, let him be unjest still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still."

    [7 Last plagues, Wrath of God poured out]
    Job 14:13 KJB - "... thy wrath ..."
    Revelation 11:18 KJB - "... and thy wrath is come ..." [Revelation 16:2-17 KJB]

    [Final Events]

    Jeremiah 25:30 KJB - "... The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth."
    Joel 2:11 KJB - "And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army ..."
    Joel 3:16 KJB - "The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, utter his voice from Jerusalem ..." [New Jerusalem in Heaven]

    Joel 3:16 KJB - "... and the heavens and the earth shall shake ..."
    Mark 13:25 KJB - "... and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken."
    Luke 21:26 KJB - "... for the powers of heaven shall be shaken."
    Hebrews 12:26 KJB - "... I shake not the earth only, but also heaven:"

    1 Kings 18:44 KJB - "... ariseth a little cloud out of the sea, like a man's hand ..."
    Matthew 24:30 KJB - "And then shall the appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven ..."

    Revelation 6:14 KJB - "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together ..."

    Revelation 16:18 KJB - "... a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great."

    Revelation 6:14 KJB - "... and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."
    Revelation 16:20 KJB - "And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found."

    Matthew 24:30 KJB - "... and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
    Mark 13:26 KJB - "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory."
    Luke 21:27 KJB - "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and glory."
    Revelation 6:15 KJB - "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every freeman, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;"
  14. The7thColporteur

    The7thColporteur Well-Known Member

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    Let's consider Judgment for just a moment also.

    The Holy Spirit, through Luke, and Paul, clearly detail that the Judgment was yet future [“to come”], for they knew that the Day of Atonement, wherein the Highpriest with the Breastplate of Judgment [Exodus 28:15,29,30 KJB] goes into the Most Holy place to bear the professed people [not the never professing wicked] upon the breast, and to determine who would be “left”, “remain” in the Book of Life and who would be “taken away”, “cut off”, “blotted out of the book of Life”:

    Acts 24:25 KJB - And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee.​

    We have already seen the record books of Heaven.

    For it is obvious that there are 3/3's of men, per Revelation 9:15 KJB, which is a direct reference to Ezekiel 9 KJB, in which there are 2 groups “in the city” [written in Heaven, Luke 10:20; Hebrews 12:23 KJB], the:

    [1] wheat, sheep, wise, and the

    [2] tares, goats, foolish, … [Matthew 22:9-13, 24:48-51, 25:3,8,11-12,30 etc] and 1 group already placed outside of the city, the

    [3] wicked, already condemned [John 3:18; 1 Corinthians 11:32; Hebrews 11:7, etc], which have never professed.​

    There are differing phases and times of Judgment, per scripture:

    First, we consider a “judgment” [“his”] begins at a specific time [“the hour … is come ...”] and goes on while the Everlasting Gospel is preached:

    Revelation 14:6 KJB - And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

    Revelation 14:7 KJB - Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.​

    Notice, that in those two texts, we see that there was a specific moment in time in which the “judgment” therein was to begin, and to go forward, and to only continue until a certain time, that is while the “Everlasting Gospel” was still being preached, ie until the Close of Probation [Revelation 22:11; Matthew 25:10, etc], yet once the “mystery of God” [the Gospel] was “finished”, this judgment would be over:

    Revelation 10:7 KJB - But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.​

    The hour of “his judgment” in Revelation 14 and Daniel 7 & 12, is specific, in that it concerns God over his professed people to separate wheat and chaff, and the angels [which are not omniscient to read the heart] are the ones [ten thousand times ten thousand] searching the books of Heaven [thus this judgment is for them, the 1,000 years judgment for us], including the Book of Life, and only those not “blotted out”, but are rather “found” therein [by search] are to remain and not be “cut off” [Leviticus 23:28-29 KJB]:

    Daniel 7:9 KJB - I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

    Daniel 7:10 KJB - A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

    Daniel 12:1 KJB - And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

    Deuteronomy 32:36 KJB - For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.

    Psalms 7:8 KJB - The LORD shall judge the people: judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity that is in me.
    Psalms 7:11 KJB - God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

    Psalms 9:4 KJB - For thou hast maintained my right and my cause; thou satest in the throne judging right.
    Psalms 9:7 KJB - But the LORD shall endure for ever: he hath prepared his throne for judgment.
    Psalms 9:12 KJB - When he maketh inquisition for blood, he remembereth them: he forgetteth not the cry of the humble.

    Psalms 37:33 KJB - The LORD will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged.

    Psalms 51:4 KJB - Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.

    Psals 135:14 KJB - For the LORD will judge his people, and he will repent himself concerning his servants.

    Ecclesiastes 3:17 KJB - I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

    Ecclesiastes 12:13 KJB - Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
    Ecclesiastes 12:14 KJB - For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

    Malachi 3:3 KJB - And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
    Malachi 3:5 KJB - And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

    Isaiah 3:14 KJB - The LORD will enter into judgment with the ancients of his people, and the princes thereof: for ye have eaten up the vineyard; the spoil of the poor is in your houses.

    Ezekiel 9:6 KJB - Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

    Matthew 7:2 KJB - For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

    Romans 3:4 KJB - God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

    Romans 14:10 KJB - But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

    1 Corinthians 4:3 KJB - But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
    1 Corinthians 4:4 KJB - For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
    1 Corinthians 4:5 KJB - Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

    2 Corinthians 5:10 KJB - For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

    2 Timothy 4:8 KJB - Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. [For judgment takes place before reward is meted out, Revelation 22:12, etc.]

    Hebrews 10:30 KJB - For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

    James 2:12 KJB - So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

    1 Peter 1:17 KJB - And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

    1 Peter 4:17 KJB - For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

    1 John 4:17 KJB - Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.​
  15. The7thColporteur

    The7thColporteur Well-Known Member

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    The professed dead, being judged first in this “day of atonement” [beginning October 22 1844]; Daniel 7:9-10:

    Hebrews 9:27 KJB - And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

    Revelation 20:12 KJB - And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.​

    Then at the National [later International] Sunday Law, the 'test' [Revelation 3:10, 17:12 KJB] that comes upon all the living world, does this judgment pass from the dead to the living:

    Revelation 3:10 KJB - Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

    Revelation 17:12 KJB - And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.​

    Further we see an “execut[ive] judgment” phase and time, held in two steps [2nd and 3rd advent]:

    Jude 1:14 KJB - And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

    Jude 1:15 KJB - To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.​

    Furthermore, we see a “judgment” taken up after the close/finishing of the “Everlasting Gospel”, the “mystery of God”, and thus begins at the 1,000 years:

    1 Corinthians 6:2 KJB - Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
    1 Corinthians 6:3 KJB - Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

    Psalms 149:5 KJB - Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.
    Psalms 149:6 KJB - Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand;
    Psalms 149:7 KJB - To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;
    Psalms 149:8 KJB - To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;
    Psalms 149:9 KJB - To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.​

    Notice carefully the connecting verse:

    Daniel 7:22 KJB - Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.​

    [1] “... Until ...” [508/538 to 1798 - 1844, see Daniel 7:21,25, 12:7,11,12, Revelation 11:2,3, 12:6,14, 13:5; Luke 21:24, etc]

    [2] “... the Ancient of days came ...” [that is, God the Father, came from the Holy [Revelation 4-5] to the Most Holy place of Heaven, see Daniel 7:9-10; in October 22 1844; Daniel 8:13-14,26, Revelation 3:7,8, 9:15, etc up to the second coming and the beginning of the 1,000 years of Revelation 20]

    [3] “... and judgment was given to the saints of the most High ...” [during the 1,000 years, per Revelation 20:4, “judgment was given unto them”, see also Isaiah 24]

    [4] “... and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.” [end of the 1,000 years, the “time” specified, in which we inherit the Earth made new, New Heavens/New Earth, etc]​

    Then finally after the 3rd Advent [after the 1,000 years], the “Great White Throne” “judgment”, against all of the wicked who have ever lived [the last step of the executive judgment]:

    Revelation 20:11 KJB - And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.​

    There was “no place”, “found” written in the books... and thus they could not be in Heaven, nor earth [Daniel 2:35].
  16. The7thColporteur

    The7thColporteur Well-Known Member

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    Before moving back to Daniel, we need to consider that the anti-typical/reality of the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement and the feast of Tabernacles/Booths/Ingathering cannot have happened in AD 31 at the Crucifixion of Jesus, at the death of Jesus thereon, at the burial of Jesus, at the resurrection of Jesus, at the ascension of Jesus, or even up to the time of AD 34, or AD 70, but could only take place long after those events. Let's see that:

    The typological is being fulfilled by Christ Jesus, the reality, but we must participate with Him in them. Yet, there are two errors that many fall into:

    [1] Many who throw away the Feasts do not realize that they need to keep them still [not in their type, but in their antitype].

    [2] There are also many on the other side of the coin, attempting to keep the typical and cannot, for numerous reasons [one of which they are one the wrong calendar, they are on the rabbinical Hillel II, rather than the Karaite/scriptural], and miss keeping the Anti-typical.​

    Notice what Paul says:

    1 Corinthians 5:8 KJB - Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
    Therefore, do not make the mistake of casting aside the Feasts of Leviticus 16 & 23, and do not make the mistake of attempting to keep the typical. The truth is neither of those two ditches, but the central point is to keep the Anti-typical.

    For instance, Keep the Anti-typical "Passover", which is Christ Jesus, accepting the Lamb of God into the Life, and the "unleavened" which is a life without sin [malice and wickedness]:

    1 Corinthians 5:7 KJB - Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
    Keep the Anti-typical "Firstfruits"/Wavesheaf, which is Christ Jesus resurrected from the dead, and thus live the life resurrected from the dead [for the old man of sin is dead, and Christ Jesus lives on in us]:

    1 Corinthians 15:20 KJB - But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

    1 Corinthians 15:23 KJB - But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
    Keep the Anti-typical "Pentecost", which is a life continually filled with the Holy Ghost/Spirit:

    Acts 2:1 KJB - And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

    Acts 2:2 KJB - And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

    Acts 2:3 KJB - And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

    Acts 2:4 KJB - And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.​

    All of those happened in the past, according to their proper timing in their anti-typical "spring", Ecclesiastes 3:1 KJB. However there were still 3 Feasts to go after Pentecost, which would come after a long "anti-typical summer", in the anti-typical "fall":

    Trumpets [1833/34 AD], see Revelation 9:5,6,10 KJB; anti-typical 7 Month 1st day

    Day of Atonement [1843/44 AD onward; RIGHT NOW, YOU ARE HERE IN ANTI-TYPICAL FEAST TIME] [the Sabbath of Sabbaths], see Revelation 9:13-15; Daniel 8:13,14,26; Revelation 14:6-7; 1 Kings 8:1-15, etc KJB; anti-typical 7 Month, 10th Day

    There were 4 duties of the congregation to do on this day, in the anti-typical fashion:

    [1] "holy convocation"

    Hebrews 10:25 KJB - Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

    Two things:

    [1] the 7th Day Sabbath of the LORD of each week,

    [2] the greater 7,000 [2 Peter 3:8; Psalms 90:4; Isaiah 24; Revelation 20 KJB] year Sabbath coming, preparing for it
    2 Thessalonians 2:1 KJB - Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

    Matthew 13:30 KJB - Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

    the 3 Angels [and the 4th] are the Reapers ... gathering, and splitting the two groups even now ... for the splitting and separation must be done before Jesus comes ...
    [2] "afflict your souls"

    Joel 2:17 KJB - Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?

    Ezekiel 9:4 KJB - And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

    Isaiah 58:5 KJB - Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?

    Isaiah 58:6 KJB - Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?

    Isaiah 58:7 KJB - Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

    Isaiah 58:8 KJB - Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward.

    Isaiah 58:9 KJB - Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;

    Isaiah 58:10 KJB - And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday:
    [3] "offering made by fire unto the LORD"

    1 Peter 1:7 KJB - That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

    1 Corinthians 3:13 KJB - Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

    Revelation 3:18 KJB - I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

    2 Timothy 4:6 KJB - For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.

    Acts 9:15 KJB - But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

    1 Kings 8:4 KJB - And they brought up the ark of the LORD, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and all the holy vessels that were in the tabernacle, even those did the priests and the Levites bring up.

    Isaiah 66:20 KJB - And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.

    1 Thessalonians 4:4 KJB - That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;

    2 Timothy 2:21 KJB - If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

    Matthew 23:26 KJB - Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
    [4] "keep Sabbath", "rest", "no work"

    The putting away of all sin, and works salvation, entering into the rest with Him, from the foundation of the world, the 7th Day.

    Exodus 33:14 KJB - And he said, My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest.

    Isaiah 28:9 KJB - Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

    Isaiah 28:10 KJB - For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

    Isaiah 28:11 KJB - For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

    Isaiah 28:12 KJB - To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

    Isaiah 28:13 KJB - But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

    Matthew 11:28 KJB - Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

    Matthew 11:29 KJB - Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

    Matthew 11:30 KJB - For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

    Hebrews 4:1 KJB - Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

    Hebrews 4:2 KJB - For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

    Hebrews 4:3 KJB - For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

    Hebrews 4:4 KJB - For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

    Hebrews 4:5 KJB - And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

    Hebrews 4:6 KJB - Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

    Hebrews 4:7 KJB - Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

    Hebrews 4:8 KJB - For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

    Hebrews 4:9 KJB - There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

    Hebrews 4:10 KJB - For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

    Hebrews 4:11 KJB - Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

    Hebrews 4:12 KJB - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    Hebrews 4:13 KJB - Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

    See also Isaiah 58, combined with Job 29 KJB
    Booths/Tabernacles/Ingathering [coming soon to a city near YOU!]; anti-typical 7th month, 15th day onward

    Connect Leviticus 23, to Revelation 14:14-20 KJB, etc.

    The Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Booths could never have taken place at the Cross, at the Resurrection, at the Ascension from Mt. Olivet or even at the destruction of Jerusalem. They could not happen until the nearing of the end of the 2,300 day/years of Daniel.​
  17. The7thColporteur

    The7thColporteur Well-Known Member

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    Many completely throw out the feasts, or say that they are all fulfilled in reality by the Cross in AD 31, and so they teach that Christians are not to “keep” the antitypical manner.

    This is stepping beyond what scripture [KJB] plainly gives, as Paul, by the Holy Spirit says, “keep the feast” - 1 Corinthians 5:8 KJB in its antitypical [the Law [of Moses, Levitical law, given under the priesthood; Hebrews 7:11 KJB] being changed with the Priesthood, from type [tupos: Acts 7:43; Romans 5:14; 1 Corinthians 10:11; Hebrews 8:5, KJB etc] to antitype [antitupos: Hebrews 9:24; 1 Peter 3:21 KJB], per Hebrews 7:12 KJB, in Christ Jesus, same for circumcision, sacrifices, offerings, etc [we still do those antitypically]].

    A question for those that teach that the feast were all fulfilled by the cross,

    What then were the 120 disciples doing in that upper room in Acts, waiting for the antitypical [not typical] Pentecost to “fully come”, if they were not to “keep the feast/s” in their antitypical manner and timing, as they followed Jesus above in the Heavenly Sanctuary, by faith, having obeyed Jesus, searched the scriptures, praying to know the present truth in prophecy, and what to do with/in it [Acts 1:16 KJB, etc]? Explain please.

    Why would Paul, Peter, John and others warn about “judgment to come” [Acts 24:25 KJB], even “the judgment” [Hebrews 9:27 KJB], in which “we shall stand” [Romans 14:10 KJB, future from their day], even in the day of judgment” [1 John 4:17 KJB and also 2 Peter 2:9 KJB, as Peter also says that Jesus was in their day, “ready” [prepared for the moment] to “judge” [1 Peter 4:5 KJB] when it arrived in future from their own day] and etc, meaning it was not yet then present and no mystery to them, and thus “Trumpets” and “Day of Atonement” and "tabernacles" would be far in the far future from their day, as Paul says:

    2 Thessalonians 2:1 KJB - Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

    2 Thessalonians 2:2 KJB - That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJB - Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    [There are dual fallings away ... one already happened, and now the final shaking]
    2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJB - Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.​

    Please carefully read the words again in Colossians 2:17 KJB, for it says that they [presently, “are” still types in Levitical law] “are a shadow” of “things to come” [future, antitype of their reality/body in Christ Jesus' ministry, then in His earthly and now also in the Heavenly], and thus were [antitypically] future from when they were given as types in the days of Moses, and some were still yet [antitypically] future from the days of Paul, which is why he stated it this way under inspiration of the Holy Spirit:

    See also the Threads:

    Colossians 2:17 KJB Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.​

    Let's now delve into this a bit further, asking some very important questions along the way, and studying prayerfully about them:

    Tabernacles cannot happen until after the Harvest of the earth, which cannot happen until after the Day of Atonement is closed:

    Revelation 22:11 KJB He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

    Leviticus 23:39 KJB Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.

    Leviticus 23:40 KJB And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.​

    Etc, for the trip to Heaven will, indeed take 7 days.
    Revelation 14:15 KJB And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

    Revelation 14:16 KJB And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

    Revelation 14:17 KJB And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

    Revelation 14:18 KJB And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

    Revelation 14:19 KJB And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

    Revelation 14:20 KJB And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

    Revelation 15:1 KJB And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

    Revelation 15:7 KJB And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.

    Revelation 16:1 KJB And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

    Revelation 16:19 KJB And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

    Revelation 19:14 KJB And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

    Revelation 19:15 KJB And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

    Daniel 12:1 KJB And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

    Revelation 7:9 KJB After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

    Revelation 7:13 KJB And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

    Revelation 7:14 KJB And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
    Exact order, and timing.

    Now, coming to those who [incorrectly, unscripturally] say, “I believe the day of atonement was fulfilled at the cross.”, cannot possibly be sustained from the scripture [KJB].

    Please allow me to share why.

    Jesus Christ is the God of order [1 Corinthians 14:40 KJB], not of confusion [1 Corinthians 14:33 KJB], but rather of perfect timing [Ecclesiastes 3:17 KJB]. He leads from beginning [alpha/first/author] unto the ending [omega/last/finisher], in that order, never going out of order. Christ Jesus Himself gave the times and seasons of the feasts themselves in Leviticus 23[:4] onward, and elsewhere all connected with the Sanctuary [Psalms 77:13 KJB] and also in types elsewhere, even from the Exodus [Psalms 77:19 KJB] from Egypt to Canaan, and so on.
  18. W2L

    W2L Well-Known Member

    Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
  19. The7thColporteur

    The7thColporteur Well-Known Member

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    Leviticus 23:4 KJB These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.​

    A list of them may be found in Leviticus 23 and elsewhere [ie, Leviticus 23:44, etc]:

    Spring Feasts:

    Passover: Leviticus 23:5 [Jesus dies AD 31, First Month - Abib/Nisan 14th, the 6th Day, 3 PM]

    Feast of Unleavened Bread: Leviticus 23:6-8 [Jesus in the Tomb, Abib/Nisan 15th, the 7th Day]

    Feast of Firstfruits [Wave Sheaf]: Leviticus 23:10-14 [Jesus resurrected, Abib/Nisan 16th, 1st day]

    Pentecost [Feast of Weeks]: Leviticus 23:15-22 [Jesus, in the Holy Place, pouring of the Holy Spirit, Acts 1-3, etc Revelation 5:6, etc]
    Long Summer

    Fall Feasts:

    Feast Of Trumpets: Leviticus 23:24-25 [Jesus, announcing coming Judgment, about to move, the bell is heard, 1833/4, Miller goes forward, Advent movement, etc]

    Day Of Atonement: Leviticus 23:27-32 [Jesus in the Most Holy Place, 1843/44, specifically Oct 22 1844, the bell is heard, Jesus and Father moved from Holy to Most Holy in Heavenly Sanctuary, see alo Revelation 9:5,6,10; Genesis 7:24, 8:3; Luke 1:24 - "5 months", and Revelation 9:13-15] KJB

    Feast of Booths/Tabernacles/Ingathering: Leviticus 23:34-43 [Harvest, and on into Millennium and then into eternity]​
  20. The7thColporteur

    The7thColporteur Well-Known Member

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    THE CHOOSING OF THE SPOTLESS LAMB [Exodus 12:3] 1st Month (Pre-Babylonian-Abib/Aviv, Post Babylonian-Nisan) 10th Day after the New Moon. Choose the spotless Lamb as designated by God, a Lamb for every man, for every house (to be held for 3 1/2 days). Jesus begins ministry (John 1:29,36) at age 30 (Luke 3:23), according to type (Numbers 4:3,23,30,35,39,40,43,47), and preaches 3 ½ years according to Scripture and Prophecy of Daniel (Daniel 9:27).

    PASSOVER FEAST [Leviticus 23:5] 1st Month (Pre-Babylonian-Abib/Aviv, Post Babylonian-Nisan) 14th Day after the New Moon at Even. Spotless Lamb slain (after being held 3 1/2 days), roasted by fire, eaten with bitter herbs, in a state of readiness to depart, with no bone of the Lamb being broken, its shed blood applied to the doorposts and lintel [Exodus 12:7-8]. [Jesus dies AD 31; Nisan 14th, the 6th Day, 3 PM]

    UNLEAVENED BREAD FEAST [Leviticus 23:6-8] 1st Month (Pre-Babylonian-Abib/Aviv, Post Babylonian-Nisan) 15th Day after the New Moon - until the 21st Day of the same Month (7 days). On the 1st Day (15th) a holy convocation and no servile work (seasonal feast sabbath) [Jesus in the Tomb; Nisan 15th, the 7th Day], unleavened is eaten for 7 days (all leaven removed from the 1st Day). A holy convocation and no servile work on the 7th Day, being the 21st Day of the same Month (seasonal feast sabbath).

    FIRSTFRUITS OF HARVEST, WAVE SHEAF [Leviticus 23:10-14] 1st Month (Pre-Babylonian-Abib/Aviv, Post Babylonian-Nisan) 16th Day after the New Moon [Jesus resurrected; Nisan 16th]. A Wave Sheaf of the Firstfruits of the Harvest on the morrow after the Sabbath. This day not being a Sabbath. A spotless he-lamb burnt offering the same day as the wave sheaf. "Meat" (bread) offering - two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the LORD [for] a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof [shall be] of wine, the fourth [part] of an hin. Begin to count 7, 7th Day Sabbaths, plus one more Day unto Pentecost (7x7=49+1=50).

    The Calender:

    (First Month of the Year, Abib/Aviv) (Exodus 12:2; Deuteronomy 16:1) and later became changed to Nisan (after Babylonian Captivity, Esther 3:7; Ezra 6:19)

    NEW MOON 1 MONTH DAY 1 - (A Solemn Feast Day according to Psalms 81:3; Numbers 10:10 (CYCLE DAY 7; 7th DAY SABBATH Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:8-11)),

    1 MONTH DAY 2, (CYCLE DAY 1)
    1 MONTH DAY 3, (CYCLE DAY 2)
    1 MONTH DAY 4, (CYCLE DAY 3)
    1 MONTH DAY 5, (CYCLE DAY 4)
    1 MONTH DAY 6, (CYCLE DAY 5)
    1 MONTH DAY 7, (CYCLE DAY 6)

    1 MONTH DAY 8, (CYCLE DAY 7; 7th DAY SABBATH Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:8-11)

    1 MONTH DAY 9, (CYCLE DAY 1)

    1 MONTH DAY 10, (typological Getting Lamb for Passover; Exodus 12:3 (CYCLE DAY 2), and is held for 3 1/2 days - Reality CHRIST is the LAMB of GOD; John 1:29,36; Jesus begins ministry for 3 ½ years; Daniel 9:27; Luke 13:32-33, etc)

    1 MONTH DAY 11, (CYCLE DAY 3)
    1 MONTH DAY 12, (CYCLE DAY 4)
    1 MONTH DAY 13, (CYCLE DAY 5)

    1 MONTH DAY 14, (typological Passover at Even; Leviticus 23:5; Reality of CHRIST's DEATH - CYCLE DAY 6, 'aka Friday', known as the Preparation day (Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54; John 19:31), the True Temple was Destroyed (First day of the Three Prophesied by JESUS; John 2:19, etc) also see the typology of the Manna in Exodus 16:5,22; and see 1 Corinthians 5:7)

    1 MONTH DAY 15, (typological First Day of Unleavened Bread, feast sabbath; Exodus 12:16; Leviticus 23:6-7; Reality of CHRIST's BURIAL - CYCLE DAY 7, 'aka Saturday' (Luke 23:56; 7th Day SABBATH OF THE LORD GOD in the 4th COMMANDMENT), the two (seasonal feast sabbath and 7th DAY SABBATH) combined that year of JESUS and was called an "HIGH DAY" John 19:31, JESUS remained in the tomb (being the Second Day of the Three Prophesied by JESUS; John 2:19, etc); also see the typology of the Manna in Exodus 16:23)

    1 MONTH DAY 16, (typological Wave Sheaf, First Fruits Offering, NOT A SABBATH; Leviticus 23:10-11; Joshua 5:10-12; Reality of CHRIST's RESURRECTION - CYCLE DAY 1, 'aka Sunday' Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:1-2,9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1,19; JESUS free of the Tomb (being the THIRD DAY since these things were done; Luke 24:21; John 2:19, etc), also see the typology of the Manna in Exodus 16:24-25, compare to Acts 13:37; 1 Corinthians 15:20,23...begin counting 7 Sabbaths to PENTECOST Leviticus 23:15); 1st Day), a first ascension happens here as Type Moses...texts upon request.

    [as a side note, anyone desiring to speak about the text "3 days and 3 nights" in the reference to the "sign of Jonas" we may, texts upon request, those 3 days and 3 nights began in the Garden Thursday Night and lasted until Sunday morning. Please ask for the references.]

    1 MONTH DAY 17, (CYCLE DAY 2; 2nd Day)
    1 MONTH DAY 18, (CYCLE DAY 3; 3rd Day)
    1 MONTH DAY 19, (CYCLE DAY 4; 4th Day)
    1 MONTH DAY 20, (CYCLE DAY 5; 5th Day)

    1 MONTH DAY 21, (End of Feast of Unleavened Bread, feast sabbath; Leviticus 23:8; (CYCLE DAY 6); 6th Day)

    1 MONTH DAY 22, ((CYCLE DAY 7; 7th DAY SABBATH Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:8-11; PENTECOST SABBATH 1); 7th Day)

    1 MONTH DAY 23, (CYCLE DAY 1; 8th Day)
    1 MONTH DAY 24, (CYCLE DAY 2; 9th Day)
    1 MONTH DAY 25, (CYCLE DAY 3; 10th Day)
    1 MONTH DAY 26, (CYCLE DAY 4; 11th Day)
    1 MONTH DAY 27, (CYCLE DAY 5; 12th Day)
    1 MONTH DAY 28, (CYCLE DAY 6; 13th Day)

    1 MONTH DAY 29, (CYCLE DAY 7; 7th DAY SABBATH Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:8-11; PENTECOST SABBATH 2); 14th Day)

    1 MONTH DAY 30, (CYCLE DAY 1; 15th Day) (assuming a 30 day month)

    NEW MOON 2 MONTH (known as Zif (1 Kings 6:1)) DAY 1 (A Solemn Feast Day according to Psalms 81:3; Numbers 10:10 (CYCLE DAY 2); 16th Day)

    2 MONTH DAY 2 (CYCLE DAY 3; 17th Day)
    2 MONTH DAY 3 (CYCLE DAY 4; 18th Day)
    2 MONTH DAY 4 (CYCLE DAY 5; 19th Day)
    2 MONTH DAY 5 (CYCLE DAY 6; 20th Day)

    2 MONTH DAY 6 ((CYCLE DAY 7; 7th DAY SABBATH Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:8-11; PENTECOST SABBATH 3); 21st Day)

    2 MONTH DAY 7 (CYCLE DAY 1; 22nd Day)
    2 MONTH DAY 8 (CYCLE DAY 2; 23rd Day)
    2 MONTH DAY 9 (CYCLE DAY 3; 24th Day)
    2 MONTH DAY 10 (CYCLE DAY 4; 25th Day)
    2 MONTH DAY 11 (CYCLE DAY 5; 26th Day)
    2 MONTH DAY 12 (CYCLE DAY 6; 27th Day)

    2 MONTH DAY 13 ((CYCLE DAY 7; 7th DAY SABBATH Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:8-11; PENTECOST SABBATH 4); 28th Day)

    2 MONTH DAY 14 (CYCLE DAY 1; 29th Day)
    2 MONTH DAY 15 (CYCLE DAY 2; 30th Day)
    2 MONTH DAY 16 (CYCLE DAY 3; 31st Day)
    2 MONTH DAY 17 (CYCLE DAY 4; 32nd Day)
    2 MONTH DAY 18 (CYCLE DAY 5; 33rd Day)
    2 MONTH DAY 19 (CYCLE DAY 6; 34th Day)

    2 MONTH DAY 20 ((CYCLE DAY 7; 7th DAY SABBATH Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:8-11; PENTECOST SABBATH 5); 35th Day)

    2 MONTH DAY 21 (CYCLE DAY 1; 36th Day)
    2 MONTH DAY 22 (CYCLE DAY 2; 37th Day)
    2 MONTH DAY 23 (CYCLE DAY 3; 38th Day)
    2 MONTH DAY 24 (CYCLE DAY 4; 39th Day)
    2 MONTH DAY 25 (CYCLE DAY 5; 40th Day) [Jesus ascends here at some point, being with them 40 days; Acts 1:3, 10 days left until Pentecost, Disciples return to Jerusalem, 2nd Ascension as Type Aaron]
    2 MONTH DAY 26 (CYCLE DAY 6; 41st Day)

    2 MONTH DAY 27 ((CYCLE DAY 7; 7th DAY SABBATH Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:8-11; PENTECOST SABBATH 6; 42nd Day)

    2 MONTH DAY 28 (CYCLE DAY 1; 43rd Day)
    2 MONTH DAY 29 (CYCLE DAY 2; 44th Day)
    2 MONTH DAY 30 (CYCLE DAY 3; 45th Day) (assuming 30 day month)

    NEW MOON 3 MONTH (known as Sivan (Esther 8:9)) DAY 1 (A Solemn Feast Day according to Psalms 81:3; Numbers 10:10 (CYCLE DAY 4; 46th Day))

    3 MONTH DAY 2 (CYCLE DAY 5; 47th Day)
    3 MONTH DAY 3 (CYCLE DAY 6; 48th Day)

    3 MONTH DAY 4 ((CYCLE DAY 7; 7th DAY SABBATH Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:8-11; PENTECOST SABBATH 7; 49th Day)

    3 MONTH DAY 5 (CYCLE DAY 1; PENTECOST (7 Sabbaths (49 days) + 1 Day; Leviticus 23:15-16; Acts 2:1) 50th Day; Christ Jesus becomes anointed in Heaven as Great High Priest... texts upon request, typology reveals this and we see fulfillment in Acts 1-3, etc, Psalms 133:1-3, Revelation 5:6, etc)

    3 MONTH DAY 10 (CYCLE DAY 6)

    3 MONTH DAY 11 (CYCLE DAY 7; 7th DAY SABBATH Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:8-11) ...and so on and so forth...

    Jesus had ascended to Heaven, and thus we go from normal time to Anti-typical Feast time ... see the "five months" of Revelation 9:5,6,10; Genesis 7:24, 8:3; Luke 1:24 KJB.