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GOD'S LAW (10 commandments) ARE FOREVER!

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by LoveGodsWord, Sep 1, 2017.

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  1. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

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    Seems like you agree that post # 3 is talking about the 10 commandments but you also want it to include the ceremonial laws of Moses that were a Shadow of things that pointed to Jesus and were nailed to the cross with our sins (Col 2:14-17; Hebrews chapters 8; 9; 10; John 1:29; 1Cor 5:6-7; Rom 2:28-29)
     
  2. LoveGodsWord

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    You’re nearly right Soyeong:oldthumbsup:. Actually it is the first four commandments of God’s Law that summarizes our love and our duty towards God (not five; Ex 20:3-11), and the next six commandments that summarizes our duty of love towards our neighbor (Ex 20:12-17)
    No one can keep God’s Law without the salvation that come by faith through love in Christ was the point I was making because we are all sinners and all we can do without Jesus and His salvation on our life is sin. All God’s Law does is point out sin and shows us that we are all guilty before God as sinners to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. God’s Law does not make us righteous. It is only by love to God and our neighbor that fulfills God’s Law in us as we walk by faith in God’s Word. It is only God that can change our hearts to love him. It is only by faith that God writes his laws in our heart as we come to him just as we are , as a sinner in need of salvation. This is why Jesus says truly, truly I say to you unless a man is born again he can in no wise enter into the Kingdom of Heaven (Romans 3:19-20; Gal 3:24-25; Heb 8:10-12; John 3:5)

    It is only Jesus that can save and free a sinner from sin as we have faith in His promises. If you are not following God’s Word by faith which produces the fruit of obedience you are not following God. As it is written… They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick but go ye and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Matt 9:12-13; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:17) Without Jesus; (Isaiah 64:6; Job 14:4; Jeremiah 13:23; Romans 3:23; Romans 5:12; Matthew 12:34-35; Ephesians 2:8-10, John 15:4)
    Good I do not disagree:oldthumbsup:. I think you are trying to make an argument that is not there. Although I believe the scriptures are talking about God’s Law not the ceremonial laws of Moses that were a Shadow of things that pointed to Jesus and were nailed to the cross with our sins (Col 2:14-17; Hebrews chapters 8; 9; 10; John 1:29; 1Cor 5:6-7; Rom 2:28-29)
     
  3. LoveGodsWord

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    Seems like you agree that post # 3 is talking about the 10 commandments but you also want it to include the ceremonial laws of Moses that were a Shadow of things that pointed to Jesus and were nailed to the cross with our sins (Col 2:14-17; Hebrews chapters 8; 9; 10; John 1:29; 1Cor 5:6-7; Rom 2:28-29)
     
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    Friend, you ignore the scriptures in Col 2:14 and 17 and the Greek meaning of the Word “Dogma” G5498 χειρόγραφον; cheirographon; which means; hand written legal manuscript document which is combined with ordinance G1378 δόγμα dogma dog'-mah From the base of G1380; which means; civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical law: The Greek meaning of handwriting of ordinances in V14 is a hand written book of civil, ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws. These laws, along with our sin is referred to in verse 14 that have been erased and are nailed to the cross.

    The inscription nailed on the cross as you claim was only that Jesus was the “King of the Jews”. What you are claiming makes no sense that the Col 2:14 is referring to the charge of the sign that was nailed on the cross that “Jesus was the king of the Jews”. How is the sign a “dogma” which means ceremonial, ecclesiastical laws (plural)? What was the significance of the temple being curtain being rent at Christ death? (Matt 27:51). How also is the “sign” against us (Col 2:14)? As mentioned earlier please refer to the OP in the thread COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH for more information. PARTS 1-4.

    Titus 2:14 is referring to God’s Law the 10 commandments not the ceremonial laws that pointed to Jesus and were a shadow of things to come. So does not support your argument as you are changing from one law to another. Do you now do burnt offerings to obtain forgiveness of sins? Jesus is the true sacrifice that taketh away the sins of the world (John 1:19)
     
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    So I gather your belief is that you are still under the ceremonial laws of Moses under the Old Covenant? So do you do meat and drink and burnt offering’s in order to have forgiveness of sins and keep all the annual Jewish festivals? According to Paul, these were a shadow of things to come that pointed to Jesus, his death as our true sacrifice, resurrection and role as our great high priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary (Hebrews chapters 8; 9; 10; John 1:29; 1Cor 5:6-7; Rom 2:28-29). As mentioned earlier please refer to the OP in the thread COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH for more information. PARTS 1-4.
     
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    Let me ask some simple questions which may help the discussion. Who made the 10 commandments God or Man (Ex 31:18; 32:16)? How many commandments did God make himself without man that were written on two tables of stone by God himself (Ex 20:1-17)? How many commandments did God speak with his own voice to His people (Ex 20:1-17)? Why did God request that His Law (10 commandments) be kept separate from the ceremonial laws of Moses that were written in a book (Deut 10:5; Deut 31:25)? Who were the laws of Moses written by God or Man (Deut 31:24-27). If God’s Law (10 commandments) and the laws of Moses were all the same why did God give instructions to keep them separate (Deut 10:5: Deut 31:24-27)?

    It is very clear from God’s Word that God’s Law and the ceremonial laws of Moses are different and not the same and God separated them for a reason. God’s Law is forever (Ecc 3:14). The ceremonial laws of Moses however were a shadow of things to come pointing to Jesus and had there fulfilment in the cross (see; Col 2:14-17; Hebrews chapters 8; 9; 10; John 1:29; 1Cor 5:6-7; Rom 2:28-29).

    You then go on to say that the ceremonial laws of Moses were not a prescription for sin in the Old Covenant but ignore the scriptures that say what was required for forgiveness under the Old Covenant before Jesus (see; Lev 1:1-13; Lev 23:1-44; Num 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deut 24:10-11; Ex 24:3; Deut 31:24-26; Col 2:16-16; Heb 10:1; Eph 2:14-15; Lev 4; 5; 6; Heb 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29; Hebrew Chapters 8; 9; 10; 2Cor 5:6-7; Rom 2:28-29)

    You then claim that Holiness come from the ceremonial laws of Moses but I see not scripture for this claim. You then quote Hebrews 10:4 and Romans 10:4….

    Hebrews 10:4
    For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

    This verse is not saying what you are claiming. The ceremonial laws of Moses with animal sacrifices were prescription for sin as highlighted above in order to obtain forgiveness for sin in the Old Covenant and could make nothing perfect. This is highlighted in the context of the verse which supports everything I have been sharing with you in the earlier verses…

    Hebrews 10:1
    For the law having a shadow of good things to come,
    and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

    Now what law are we talking about God’s Law (10 commandments) or the ceremonial laws of Moses? (v2) sacrifices of blood and bulls, (v6) burnt offerings, (v7) in the volume of a book. It is very clear that Hebrews 10 is talking about the ceremonial laws of Moses that were a Shadow of things to come (Heb 10:1) not God’s 10 commandments.

    Then you refer to Romans 10:4, For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth. This is now talking about God Law (Rom 3:25; Rom 6:16-19; Rom 8:4). It seems you are mixed up between God’s Law which is forever (Ecc 3:14) and the ceremonial laws of Moses which are part of the Old Covenant and a Shadow of things to come (Colossians 2:17; Hebrews 10:1) which were pointing to Jesus and was fulfilled at the cross according to the scriptures (see; Col 2:14-17; Hebrews chapters 8; 9; 10; John 1:29; 1Cor 5:6-7; Rom 2:28-29).
    Absolutely!:oldthumbsup: Our sins were indeed nailed to the cross along with the ceremonial laws of Moses that the Word of God says were shadows that pointed to Jesus as our true lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world ( Col 2:14-17; Hebrews chapters 8; 9; 10; John 1:29; 1Cor 5:6-7; Rom 2:28-29)
     
  7. LoveGodsWord

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    It seems you are mixed up between God’s Law and the ceremonial laws of Moses that were fulfilled at the cross. (Col 2:14-17; Hebrews chapters 8; 9; 10; John 1:29; 1Cor 5:6-7; Rom 2:28-29). I do not judge you however this is between you and God and we will have to agree to disagree if you believe in the ceremonial laws of Moses that where shadows pointing to Jesus. You have provided a lot of repetition in your posts I think I have addressed everything. So let’s leave it at that otherwise we are just repeating ourselves and going around in circles which is to no one’s benefit. I have not come across anyone that has a belief system such as yours. What Church do you go to?
     
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    I missed that post. about the Lamb's Book of Life. Does anyone have the post number?
     
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    What commands of Jesus or law did the thief comply with? The only answer can be none.
     
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    Why do you and your church say this seal is the sabbath?
     
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    What laws did Abraham keep? They can't be the law given to Israel. Moses says they aren't. Is Moses correct? If they were the law and written on the heart, wouldn't your church be overflowing and huge to accommodate the crowds of believers?
     
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    Then maybe it isn't just the law as you've indicated.
     
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    This is a self conflicting statement.
     
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    Are you physically circumcised? If so was it the ceremonial act prescribed in the OT or the medical practice of gentiles for disease prevention?

    To walk as Jesus walked isn't a prescription to become a Jew and live like them.
     
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    Nothing you post shows anything different.
     
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    I'm dealing with an insurance company and fully understand why an individual would want to murder (do harm).
     
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    Tis a strange thing.
    People who say the law written on stone is not written in the mind and placed on the heart of the believer, would undoubtedly believe, if you committed the act of adultery you have committed sin. If a believer bore false witness they would have committed sin. If a believer committed theft they would have committed sin, if a believer took the Lord's name in vain they would have committed sin.
    However, they still, somehow insist what was written on stone is not written on tablets of human hearts.
    Fascinating!
     
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    There's dissention in the camp anyway. Some say the law exists to make you conscious of sin, while others say it doesn't. Some say the law exists one minute, then the next say it doesn't.

    The trouble with Incorrect doctrine is, you end up contradicting yourself all over the place
     
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    The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise are futile
    1cor3:20
     
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    There's no request for the stone tablets to be separate from the rest of the law. In referencing Deuteronomy as from God you also must conclude the law(s) not on the tablets are also from God or God made no such request. Deuteronomy would then be only words of Moses, not God. The priesthood also would be the doing of Moses and not God. You have a problem.
     
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