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GOD'S DIETARY LAWS AND BAT SOUP STEW - COVID 19

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by LoveGodsWord, Dec 7, 2020.

  1. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

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    It is ok you do not have to answer my question. To be honest I did not think you would as it only proves what I have been saying to you is true. Anyway thanks. Your response already does answer my question. So you not answering mine then neither will I answer yours.
     
  2. DamianWarS

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    Again I will enage your questions if you can meet the aforemention criteria. If you refuse the we can no longer have this discussion as I feel you can only respond in strawman argument which for some reason you refuse show me where you get your definition of.
     
  3. LoveGodsWord

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    As posted earlier it is you seeking to make strawman arguments against scripture. So we will agree to disagree.
     
  4. DamianWarS

    DamianWarS Follower of Isa Al Masih Supporter

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    Yet you refuse to define or provide sources to your controversial use of strawman.
     
  5. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

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    Please be honest, I provided you the Wiki link some time ago if you remember (post 349 linked)?
     
  6. DamianWarS

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    I've lost confidence in your ability to comprehend the definition as presented in wiki. You seem to favour a highly interpretive reading over actual words so I fear you've done this with the definition in wiki. Can you prove to me your comprehension of the wiki article by stepping me through its points through one of my alleged strawman.
     
  7. LoveGodsWord

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    Your going around in circles. It is you making strawman argument against the scriptures shared with you that disagree with your teaching. We will have to agree to disagree. I will leave you with the last say as I think you need it more than I do.
     
  8. DamianWarS

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    you have failed to show to me how I'm making a strawman or that you properly understand what a strawman is
     
  9. johnbunyan

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    [QUOTE="LoveGodsWord, post: 75576640, member: 398970
    Are all things now clean?][/QUOTE]
    Depends if you believe in sola scripture:
    I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean.
    Romans14:14
    Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.
    Romans14:20
     
  10. Clare73

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    Paul is referring to religiously unclean and defiling.

    This thread is simply about health, it's not about causing someone to stumble with his conscience.
     
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2021
  11. johnbunyan

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    Paul is referring to religiously unclean and defiling.

    This thread is simply about health.[/QUOTE]
    Sorry, but he asked the question:
    ''Are ALL things clean now?''
    Sola scripture states all food is clean!
     
  12. Clare73

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    Agreed. . .
     
  13. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

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    Sola scriptura does not state anywhere all foods are now clean. Scripture please.
     
  14. johnbunyan

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    I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. Romans14:14

    Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. Romans14:20
     
  15. LoveGodsWord

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    Here let's talk sola scriptura and add the contexts back your leaving out....

    ROMANS 14:2,3,5,6,14,17,20 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteems any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

    The New Testament writers referred to two concepts of unclean, using different Greek words to convey the two meanings. Unclean could refer to animals God did not intend to be consumed as food (listed in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14). Unclean could also refer to ceremonial uncleanness.

    In Romans 14 Paul uses the word koinos, which means “common” (W.E. Vine, Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, 1985, “Unclean,” p. 649). In addition to the meanings of “common” and “ordinary” (see Acts 2:44; Acts 4:32; Titus 1:4; Hebrews 10:29), the word also applied to things considered polluted or defiled. This word, along with its verb form koinoo, is used in Mark 7:2, Mark 7:15-23, where it obviously refers to ceremonial uncleanness.

    Koinos and koinoo appear throughout the New Testament to refer to this kind of ceremonial uncleanness. Something could be “common”—ceremonially unclean—even though it was otherwise considered a scripturally clean meat.

    An entirely different word, akathartos, is used in the New Testament for those animals Scripture specifies as unclean. Both words, koinos and akathartos, are used in Acts 10, where Peter distinguished between the two concepts of uncleanness by using both words in Acts 10:14.

    When Paul said in Romans 14:14 that “I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean [ koinos, or ‘common’] of itself,” he was making the same point he had made earlier to the Corinthians: Just because meat that was otherwise lawful to eat may have been associated with idol worship does not mean it is no longer fit for human consumption. As seen from the context, Paul wasn’t discussing biblical dietary restrictions at all.

    Paul goes on to state in Romans 14:20 that “all food is clean” (NIV). The word translated “clean” is katharos, meaning “free from impure admixture, without blemish, spotless” (Vine, “Clean, Cleanness, Cleanse, Cleansing,” p. 103).

    “Clean” meats as such aren’t addressed in the New Testament, so there isn’t a specific word to describe them. Katharos is used to describe all kinds of cleanliness and purity, including clean dishes (Matthew 23:26), people (John 13:10) and clothing (Revelation 15:6; Revelation 19:8-14), “pure” religion (James 1:27), gold and glass (Revelation 21:18).

    Realize also that, in both Romans 14:14 and Romans 14:20, the word food or meat doesn’t appear in the original Greek, but was inserted by later translators. No specific object is mentioned relative to cleanness or uncleanness. The sense of these verses is merely that “nothing [is] unclean [ koinos: common or ceremonially defiled] of itself,” and “all is clean [katharos: free from impure admixture, without blemish, spotless].”

    We can also see as Romans 14:14 is continued in Romans 14:15 that says [15], But if your brother be grieved with your meat (G1033;βρῶμα; Broma), now walk you not charitably. Destroy not him with your meat, for whom Christ died. Paul is talking about food that God's Word already defines as being lawful for eating from Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14.

    Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - G1033

    βρῶμα (brōma | bro'-mah)
    Derivation: from the base of G977;
    Strong's: food (literally or figuratively), especially (ceremonially) articles allowed or forbidden by the Jewish law
    KJV: —meat, victuals.

    Paul’s point is that association of food with idolatrous activity had no bearing on whether the food was inherently suitable or unsuitable for eating. Understood in its context, Romans 14 does not convey permission to ignore the biblical laws as to which meats are clean or unclean..

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    SUMMARY: Romans 14 nowhere is talking about abolishing God's dietary laws.

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    Did you have anything else to prove God's dietary laws are abolished or should we believe Jesus when he says; in Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. [18], For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. [19], Whoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    Hope this is helpful
     
  16. johnbunyan

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    You are veering away from sola scripture, and trying to use reasoning and other verses to overturn it
     
  17. LoveGodsWord

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    Nope I have only provided sola scriptura

    Isaiah 66:17, They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the middle, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, said the LORD.
     
  18. johnbunyan

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    This is sola scripture:
    All food is clean.
    All means all my friend.
     
  19. LoveGodsWord

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    Scripture please... that shows this is talking about dietary laws? It doesn't you were provided the context you left out showing the scripture is not talking about clean and unclean meats from Gods dietary laws.
     
  20. johnbunyan

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    It is talking about ALL food. They are the plain words of the Bible-sola scripture
     
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