God the Dad, where’s the Mom?

[James_Lai]

I learned how to be a father from God the Father because I never had a father to learn from, so I have to say that your claim is "obviously" not obvious.
God has attributes of both father and mother because the bible clearly explains (Genesis 1:27) that God made man and woman in His image.

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

It is impossible to follow Jesus while rejecting the Father. You are choosing to make your own god to fit your experiences and beliefs.

As I said before, you are making your own god to fit your experiences.

Just wait until your Father gets home.

For one, God is giver of life. It’s a job of a mother.

 

[James_Lai]

And so how do you know if "it" is reference is to a male or female?
Seems strange. . .

The grammatical category of gender doesn’t exist at all. A man is “it” and a woman is “it”. If you need to indicate a gender, you say smth like “male child” or “female child”, for example, for boy or girl.

 

[James_Lai]

I pick women based on their personalities. I really don't care how they dress.

I agree. It’s not about dress or being muscular. Externals may or may not express true nature, looks are deceiving don’t judge a book by its cover. It’s about the complete message of image and text that tell the definitively masculine story. It’s pretty sad. God being the Father and dominating over the feminine I think is the core problem of Abrahamic patriarchal cultures. Both masculine and feminine must be in equal balance, no domination of either side..

 

[James_Lai]

God has no sex, "God the Father" doesn't mean the Father is male. There is no such thing as "God the Mother": both male and female are created in the image and likeness of God.

-CryptoLutheran

Good, then don’t use the Father, say the Parent for example. Otherwise if you say the Father, you rob God of Its feminine attributes and characteristics of the Mother, which is wrong.

 

[James_Lai]

Those are Divine traits reflected in creation; they are neither inherently male nor female.

-CryptoLutheran

Good, then don’t call God the Father. Call God the Creator, the Master, the Saviour, the Teacher, the Healer etc etc, but don’t equate It to only 1/2 of humanity. God also possesses the traits of the Mother as much as the Father.

 

[SANTOSO]

I think God is in truth more or at least as much the Mother, from what we learn about God.

Beloved one, it is okay that you love your mother because God commands us to love one another. But God is not like your unsober father. Even if your father no longer wrong you, your heart still needs to heal.

Seek the Lord’s healing, and you shall find it.

May God’s peace be with you.Amen.

 

[Mark Quayle]

God is above gender. To ascribe God a gender is robbing our wonderful and amazing Creator of what It really is. Calling God a Father is like calling music noise. God is masculine, feminine, male, female and much, much more. In the miraculous potential for creation and nurturing we see the feminine part of God, so She is our Heavenly Mother, too, as well as being our Father in knowledge and power.

To ascribe non-gender to our all-wise God, if he does ascribe gender to himself, would not be wise on our part.

 

[angelsaroundme]

I think when the feminine element is limited or missing in the church that it leaves a void the secular world is only too happy to fill. This is probably one of the reasons why Catholicism has many female saints and places importance on Mary.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Good, then don’t use the Father, say the Parent for example. Otherwise if you say the Father, you rob God of Its feminine attributes and characteristics of the Mother, which is wrong.

Here's what Catholic theologian Hans Urs von Balthasar writes in his work Credo: Meditations on the Apostles' Creed:

On the first part of the Creed: "I believe in God the Father, Almighty maker of heaven and earth",

"That he is Father we know in utmost fullness from Jesus Christ, who constantly makes loving, thankful, and reverent reference to him as his Origin. It is because he bears fruit out of himself and requires no fructifying that he is called Father, and not in the sexual sense, for he will be the Creator of man and woman, and thus contains the primal qualities of woman in himself in the same simultaneously transcending way as those of man. (The Greek gennad can imply both siring and bearing, as can the word for to come into being: ginomai.) Jesus’ words indicate that this fruitful self-surrender by the primal Origin has neither beginning nor end: It is a perpetual occurrence in which essence and activity coincide. Herein lies the most unfathomable aspect of the Mystery of God: that what is absolutely primal is no statically self-contained and comprehensible reality, but one that exists solely in dispensing itself: a flowing wellspring with no holding-trough beneath it, an act of procreation with no seminal vesicle, with no organism at all to perform the act. In the pure act of self-pouring-forth, God the Father is his self, or, if one wishes, a “person” (in a transcending way)." Hans Urs von Balthasar, Credo, Ignatius Press. Kindle Edition

He is called Father because that's what Jesus calls Him. Jesus makes reference to His Father. It is in Christ--the Son made flesh--that we by our union with Jesus that His Father becomes our Father. It is in this that Jesus teaches us how to pray, "Our Father, who art in heaven..."

He is not called Father because He is male, He is called Father because He is the One who begets the Son. He is Father of His Son, just as Jesus is called Son because He is Son of the Father.

Jesus speaks of His Father, and Christians have always called God the Father "Father". It is never a statement of God's sexuality (God has no sexuality, He's God).

That He is called Father does not mean He is lacking in what we would call the "maternal"; God is father and mother in the sense that there is in Him those transcendent qualities which are reflected in the goodness of human relationships--such as fatherhood and motherhood. But He is not called "God the Mother" because that's not what Jesus called Him, and that's not what the New Testament calls Him.

He isn't called "Father" merely because of the paternal qualities associated with Him (again, Scripture also ascribes the maternal to God), but because He is the Father of Jesus Christ. From all eternity, the Son has His eternal Origin in and from the Father, as "God of God" as we say in the Nicene Creed.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Good, then don’t call God the Father. Call God the Creator, the Master, the Saviour, the Teacher, the Healer etc etc, but don’t equate It to only 1/2 of humanity. God also possesses the traits of the Mother as much as the Father.

Those are all titles and attributes. He is called Father because that is Who He Is. "Father" isn't a title, like Master, Creator, Teacher, Savior, etc. That's Who He Is: God the Father. That is what we mean by Hypostasis. In the same way when we call Jesus "the Son" that isn't a title, that is Who He Is. He is God the Son, the only-begotten of the Father, that is Who He Is from all eternity. The Holy Spirit, again, is not called Holy Spirit as a title, but because that is Who He Is. He is the Holy Spirit.

Three Divine Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Not three titles for God, but three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[James_Lai]

I think when the feminine element is limited or missing in the church that it leaves a void the secular world is only too happy to fill. This is probably one of the reasons why Catholicism has many female saints and places importance on Mary.

I agree that the lack of acknowledging the importance of the feminine aspect of God and life is being filled by the non-Christian world. Divine Feminine is a huge trend. The old patriarchal days are over and church needs to catch up

 

[SkyWriting]

Good, then don’t use the Father, say the Parent for example. Otherwise if you say the Father, you rob God of Its feminine attributes and characteristics of the Mother, which is wrong.

True enough, logically. But woefully Jesus Called God His Father so we must assume that is the better description. Only for that reason.

 

[Clare73]

I agree. It’s not about dress or being muscular. Externals may or may not express true nature, looks are deceiving don’t judge a book by its cover. It’s about the complete message of image and text that tell the definitively masculine story. It’s pretty sad. God being the Father and dominating over the feminine I think is the core problem of Abrahamic patriarchal cultures. Both masculine and feminine must be in equal balance, no domination of either side..

That is so lame. . .

In the God of the Bible's economy, it's not about domination of the male over the female.
It's about two different and equally important roles necessary to the well-being of the human race,
and for which God has equipped male and female differently internally: one for child-bearing and nurture,
and the other for provision and protection.

Sounds pretty efficient and wise to me. . .

 

[James_Lai]

That is so lame. . .

In the God of the Bible's economy, it's not about domination of the male over the female.
It's about two different and equally important roles necessary to the well-being of the human race,
and for which God has equipped male and female differently internally: one for child-bearing and nurture,
and the other for provision and protection.

Sounds pretty efficient and wise to me. . .

Domination is manifested in the suppression, denial and violation of the Feminine. God is not the Father, God is also the Mother. Just look at out world on the brink of self-desttuction, it’s obvious that the rampant masculinity left imbalanced isn’t a great thing.

 

[James_Lai]

True enough, logically. But woefully Jesus Called God His Father so we must assume that is the better description. Only for that reason.

We don’t have the exact words of Jesus as He spoke in Aramaic and we have Greek writings that came in many decades later in a land far from Palestine. So He might have said Our Mother or Our Parent or Our Source and some translator/editor a century later decided to say Pater Imon. Maybe that’s what they were told, the corruption of Jesus’ actual words happening some time earlier in the stage of oral transmission. It could have been a case of deliberate replacing of a word, or mistranslation or miscommunication.

 

[James_Lai]

Those are all titles and attributes. He is called Father because that is Who He Is. "Father" isn't a title, like Master, Creator, Teacher, Savior, etc. That's Who He Is: God the Father. That is what we mean by Hypostasis. In the same way when we call Jesus "the Son" that isn't a title, that is Who He Is. He is God the Son, the only-begotten of the Father, that is Who He Is from all eternity. The Holy Spirit, again, is not called Holy Spirit as a title, but because that is Who He Is. He is the Holy Spirit.

Three Divine Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Not three titles for God, but three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

-CryptoLutheran

God is actually also the Mother. We shouldn’t rob God of Its full divinity by exclusively masculinizing It. God is all-inclusive.

 

[Clare73]

Domination is manifested in the suppression, denial and violation of the Feminine. God is not the Father, God is also the Mother. Just look at out world on the brink of self-desttuction, it’s obvious that the rampant masculinity left imbalanced isn’t a great thing.

Which has nothing to do with God and everything to do with sinful mankind.

God is actually also the Mother.

God is both in one. . .but in finite humanity it takes two genders to accomplish both.

Everyone is wiser than God. . .always critiquing and judging his ways.

 

[SkyWriting]

We don’t have the exact words of Jesus as He spoke in Aramaic and we have Greek writings that came in many decades later in a land far from Palestine. So He might have said Our Mother or Our Parent or Our Source and some translator/editor a century later decided to say Pater Imon. Maybe that’s what they were told, the corruption of Jesus’ actual words happening some time earlier in the stage of oral transmission. It could have been a case of deliberate replacing of a word, or mistranslation or miscommunication.

Aramaic has very few translation problems. It is unique in it's form and style and is almost in the form of poetry.

 

[Lukaris]

God, the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit, are affirmed in the masculine. As Creator, He created male and female in his creation ( Genesis 1:26-27. The Lord Jesus Christ clearly affirms the 3 Persons of God as masculine in John 14 & John 15.

It is within creation that life is continued from the feminine in humanity ( for ex. Proverbs 9). It is the Mother of God we honor as the birth giver of our Lord but that is from God deeming her worthy to give birth to His only begotten Son and His Spirit ( Luke 1:26-35). It is the ever Virgin Mary the Lord on the cross told his apostle ( & really all of us) to behold as our mother ( John 19:25-27). She holds the highest honor in creation but she is still created ( Revelation 12). Still,
she was created and we worship the Creator not the creation.


The book of Enoch was held as scripture by many early Christians & parts of it remained regarded as truths. A major example is the Trinity in chapter 48 which clearly conforms to Daniel 7:9-10. The persons of God are in the masculine.

see: First Enoch - Chapter XLVIII / Chapter 48 - Book of 1 Enoch, Parallel 1912 Charles & 1883 Laurence, Pseudepigrapha Online Parallel Bible Study

Much of the gobbledygook in this thread is just that.

 

[James_Lai]

Which has nothing to do with God and everything to do with sinful mankind.

God is both in one. . .but in finite humanity it takes two genders to accomplish both.

Everyone is wiser than God. . .always critiquing and judging his ways.

God is Our Mother who wants humanity to grow out of the toxic masculinity that promotes destruction of the palnet