God`s Plan.

[Maria Billingsley]

Hi Michael,

Yes, however the restoring of rightful rulership has to be done first for God to then bring in the New Heavens and New Earth.

This has already been accomplished by our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth. He is our King. Be blessed.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

God`s Plan.


God`s plan is that all rule come under the Lord Jesus Christ. His Lordship is to be pre-eminent over all.

God, `made known to us the mystery of His will,...
that...He might gather together in one all things in Christ.`
(Eph. 1: 10)


The outworking of this is called the restoration of all things.


`the times of restoration of all things,..`
(Acts 3: 21)


This `restoration of all things,` involves not only the restoring of man & the earth to their former glory but amazingly also includes restoration in higher realms. These heavenly realms that were contaminated by Satan & his angels will also be cleansed & authorities put in place under the Lord Jesus Christ.


`For He (Christ) must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet.`
(1 Cor. 15: 25)

The timetable for this `restoration,` begins when Christ leaves the Father`s throne and comes for the Body of Christ.

`that He (God) may send Jesus Christ....
whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things...`
(Acts 3: 20 & 21)



The setting of the Body of Christ in the third heaven as Kings & Priests on thrones, marks the first realm to be restored under Christ`s rule. This is the thrones & dominions realm.


The other two realms, the Universe (Principalities & Powers) & the earth, are the next realms to come under the Lordship of Christ.


God unfolded His plan a bit at a time to different people & we are privileged to be able to read of this throughout His word.

`the times of restoration of all things,
which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets
since the world began.`
(Acts 3: 21)

By chance are you LDS? Third heaven theology is taught there. Be blessed.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Hi elos,

Yes a good point, however that is the Lord in the Godhead over all. Then we know that the Lord will have His `own throne,` authority under the Father, where He will be visibly ruling with His other Kingpriests, (His Body). And that has not happened yet.

From there rulers, in the principality and powers realm, and on the earth, will be put down. This all takes time. So it is a process that begins with the visible rulership of Christ in the third heaven.

Not so, He won it through His sinless life, His atoning death and victorious resurrection. He is Lord now.

 

[Jamdoc]

So, when someone is having an exorcism - how does the acknowledgement of this idea of yours set someone free? It doesn't. Therefore, it is not truth.

As it is written, the truth will set you free.

You can free individual people, and Satan still maintains stewardship of the planet and nations of this world. If Satan had no authority on earth, he wouldn't be able to possess people to begin with.
In Revelation 20, when Satan is bound up for 1000 years, he can't deceive anyone, no possessions.

If you doubt that Satan still maintains some authority, then you are letting what Paul calls "the god of this world" blind you (2 Corinthians 4:4 I think?). Because at the end of this age, Satan still has power, a seat, and great authority to delegate to the beast (Revelation 13:2). He can't give things he doesn't have, and he only has those things because God has given them to him as a part of His plans. What Satan means for evil, God means for good.

 

[parousia70]

You can free individual people, and Satan still maintains stewardship of the planet and nations of this world. If Satan had no authority on earth, he wouldn't be able to possess people to begin with.
In Revelation 20, when Satan is bound up for 1000 years, he can't deceive anyone, no possessions.

If you doubt that Satan still maintains some authority, then you are letting what Paul calls "the god of this world" blind you (2 Corinthians 4:4 I think?). Because at the end of this age, Satan still has power, a seat, and great authority to delegate to the beast (Revelation 13:2). He can't give things he doesn't have, and he only has those things because God has given them to him as a part of His plans. What Satan means for evil, God means for good.

Satan was cast out, judged, spoiled and bound by Jesus Christ:

John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

1 John 3:8
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Hebrews 2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same;
that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.

Colossians 2:15
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Matthew 12:28-29
If I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you...how can anyone enter the strong man's house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. (Jesus here claims to have bound satan and plundered his house)

2 Timothy 1:10
But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel

John 16:8,11
And when [the Holy Spirit] is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:...of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged

Acts 26:17-18
To the nations I now send you to open their eyes to turn them from darkness to light and from the power of satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and inheritance among them who are sanctified by faith that is in me.



Jesus Christ, not satan, is God and King over this world (over all of heaven and earth):

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Ephesians 1:19-23
He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

1 Peter 3:22
Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.

Revelation 1:5-6
Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father--to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever.


As for The Accuser, Who shall bring a charge against God's elect?

Romans 8:31-34
What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things? Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies; who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.

1 John 5:18
he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Satan is defeated to Christ and his Church. In fact, this was the very purpose of Christ's ministry (see 1 John 3:8; Hebrews 2:14-15; John 12:31; Col 2:15; Matthew 16:18-19; Matthew 28:18-19, etc), yet many today seem to deny that Christ was successful.

It certainly is true that those outside the Kingdom of God are bound in chains of sin and darkness and are the "sons of satan" (as was Cain and as were the rulers of Israel Jesus spoke against in John 8:44) -- but look at how bound and powerless satan is to all the Sons of God (Acts 26:17-18; Matthew 12:28-29; Luke 10:19; Mark 16:17, etc). Jesus said the time for the satan to have been cast out was back in HIS time (John 12:31).

So we must not UNDO the work of Christ in this matter by a retroactive faith that places us back in time as if we are a people living PRIOR to Christ's victory over satan. What a travesty it is, IMHO, to see how the eschatological doctrine of futurism is always robbing Christ of his power and completed work. It is not even uncommon to hear Christians say nearly blasphemous statements that satan is the god of this world as if that means Christ is not Lord over him and indeed over all things (Matthew 28:18-19; 1 Peter 3:22; Eph 1:20-21; Rev 1:5; )

Finally, satan is most certainly NOT accusing any of the brothers any more. His ministry as the O.T. accuser of the saints came to an end when Christ stripped him of all authority and granted righteousness by faith to all the saints. Revelation 12:10-11 tells how the blood of the Lamb has granted this victory, and is tied to Paul's teaching in Romans:

Rom 8:30-31,33
Whom he foreordained, them he also called. Whom he called, them he also justified. Whom he justified, them he also glorified. What then will we say about these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?... Who could bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, yes rather, who was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

This passage shows how satan's O.T. role as accuser of the brethren (see Job 1 and 2; Rev 12:10-11) is now over. He simply can make no accusation, for the Judge has fully pardoned all his people and based upon the blood of His Sacrificial Lamb, Jesus.

Amazing Love and Victory!

 

[Jamdoc]

Satan was cast out, judged, spoiled and bound by Jesus Christ:

John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

1 John 3:8
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Hebrews 2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same;
that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.

Colossians 2:15
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Matthew 12:28-29
If I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you...how can anyone enter the strong man's house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. (Jesus here claims to have bound satan and plundered his house)

2 Timothy 1:10
But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel

John 16:8,11
And when [the Holy Spirit] is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:...of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged

Acts 26:17-18
To the nations I now send you to open their eyes to turn them from darkness to light and from the power of satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and inheritance among them who are sanctified by faith that is in me.



Jesus Christ, not satan, is God and King over this world (over all of heaven and earth):

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Ephesians 1:19-23
He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

1 Peter 3:22
Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.

Revelation 1:5-6
Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father--to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever.


As for The Accuser, Who shall bring a charge against God's elect?

Romans 8:31-34
What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things? Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies; who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.

1 John 5:18
he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Satan is defeated to Christ and his Church. In fact, this was the very purpose of Christ's ministry (see 1 John 3:8; Hebrews 2:14-15; John 12:31; Col 2:15; Matthew 16:18-19; Matthew 28:18-19, etc), yet many today seem to deny that Christ was successful.

It certainly is true that those outside the Kingdom of God are bound in chains of sin and darkness and are the "sons of satan" (as was Cain and as were the rulers of Israel Jesus spoke against in John 8:44) -- but look at how bound and powerless satan is to all the Sons of God (Acts 26:17-18; Matthew 12:28-29; Luke 10:19; Mark 16:17, etc). Jesus said the time for the satan to have been cast out was back in HIS time (John 12:31).

So we must not UNDO the work of Christ in this matter by a retroactive faith that places us back in time as if we are a people living PRIOR to Christ's victory over satan. What a travesty it is, IMHO, to see how the eschatological doctrine of futurism is always robbing Christ of his power and completed work. It is not even uncommon to hear Christians say nearly blasphemous statements that satan is the god of this world as if that means Christ is not Lord over him and indeed over all things (Matthew 28:18-19; 1 Peter 3:22; Eph 1:20-21; Rev 1:5; )

Finally, satan is most certainly NOT accusing any of the brothers any more. His ministry as the O.T. accuser of the saints came to an end when Christ stripped him of all authority and granted righteousness by faith to all the saints. Revelation 12:10-11 tells how the blood of the Lamb has granted this victory, and is tied to Paul's teaching in Romans:

Rom 8:30-31,33
Whom he foreordained, them he also called. Whom he called, them he also justified. Whom he justified, them he also glorified. What then will we say about these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?... Who could bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, yes rather, who was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

This passage shows how satan's O.T. role as accuser of the brethren (see Job 1 and 2; Rev 12:10-11) is now over. He simply can make no accusation, for the Judge has fully pardoned all his people and based upon the blood of His Sacrificial Lamb, Jesus.

Amazing Love and Victory!

Not even worth bothering arguing with a deluded preterist.
All I have to say to you is. Death and sin still exist in this world. In your preterist view, it shouldn't.

 

[parousia70]

Not even worth bothering arguing with a deluded preterist.

Rather, it would seem you have no cogent argument against the preterist position for our readers to evaluate, otherwise you'd put one forth... instead you must resort to name calling..

All I have to say to you is. Death and sin still exist in this world. In your preterist view, it shouldn't.

In Isaiah's View, it's Does:

Isaiah 65:17,20

17“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

20 “No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,
Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;
For the child shall die one hundred years old,
But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.

Somehow, as well, I doubt you're telling the truth when you say this is "all you have to say to me"...
I guess If you reply to this post, we will all know you were lying.

when Satan is bound up for 1000 years, he can't deceive anyone

Your insistence that there will come a day in the future where even the unrepentant will share in Christ's victory over Satan is wholly unscriptural.

 

[CaspianSails]

Hi elos,

Yes a good point, however that is the Lord in the Godhead over all. Then we know that the Lord will have His `own throne,` authority under the Father, where He will be visibly ruling with His other Kingpriests, (His Body). And that has not happened yet.

From there rulers, in the principality and powers realm, and on the earth, will be put down. This all takes time. So it is a process that begins with the visible rulership of Christ in the third heaven.

Christ is already on His throne. After His Ascension He was exalted by the Father and now sits on His thrown at the right hand of the Father making intercession for His bride. Christ now rules over all. All things have been put under His authority. Now. In the end we are His Bride.

 

[Jamdoc]

Christ is already on His throne. After His Ascension He was exalted by the Father and now sits on His thrown at the right hand of the Father making intercession for His bride. Christ now rules over all. All things have been put under His authority. Now. In the end we are His Bride.

Okay, as I keep pointing out, Revelation 13:2.
There's still delegated authority that Jesus has to deal with.
A sovereign will often delegate power and authority to people under their sovereignty to rule in their stead in a lot of situations. Michael in particular, is delegated authority over Israel. (Daniel 12:1). Adam was originally delegated power to rule the earth, it was given to Satan at some point after the fall (Luke 4:5-6) and at the end of the age, Satan still has power and authority to give to the beast (Revelation 13:2) until the wrath of God is finished (Revelation 11:15) at that point the Kingdoms of the Earth are become the Kingdoms of our Lord and His Christ. At that point I don't think anyone has delegated authority anymore, Jesus has taken direct control over everything. Michael has stood up and fought against Satan, no longer watching Israel, and Satan's authority and the beast's authority and all the rulers of the world's authority has been taken from them at that point.
and in the Millennium, and in the New Heavens and New Earth, to the best of my knowledge, authority is delegated to the saints to rule, based on their service in this life. But before any authority has been delegated from everyone else, in the second coming, all authority of the world is taken away, and there is no authority but Jesus.
But until that time, Jesus is sovereign, but authority has been delegated to others, including Satan, including Michael, and including all earthly governments. They have authority BECAUSE it has been granted to them by the Sovereign Lord.
and that is authority that as of now, Jesus has not rescinded yet.
That is part of God's plan, the removal of all earthly authority, and of Satan's authority.

 

[Marilyn C]

Didn't address my post in context of previous conversation.

Hi Michael,

Not sure what you are saying there. Could you explain further, please?

 

[Marilyn C]

This has already been accomplished by our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth. He is our King. Be blessed.

Hi Maria,

Yes, however there is still the whole of God`s great kingdom to come under His rulership.

 

[Marilyn C]

By chance are you LDS? Third heaven theology is taught there. Be blessed.

Hi again Maria,

No I`m not LDS but from and Apostolic background, which came out of the Welsh Revival early last century.

 

[Marilyn C]

Not so, He won it through His sinless life, His atoning death and victorious resurrection. He is Lord now.

Hi SG,

And the Lord is ON the Father`s throne at the moment as God`s word tells us.

 

[Marilyn C]

Christ is already on His throne. After His Ascension He was exalted by the Father and now sits on His thrown at the right hand of the Father making intercession for His bride. Christ now rules over all. All things have been put under His authority. Now. In the end we are His Bride.

Hi CaspianSails,

Actually God`s word tell us us that Jesus is ON the Father`s throne. Where in scripture did you see Him move to His own throne?

And He is making intercession for His BODY. We are NOT the bride.

And all things are being put under His feet, for He will judge the world systems and the fallen angels soon. It has NOT happened yet.

 

[BABerean2]

And He is making intercession for His BODY. We are NOT the bride.

Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Mat 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.


Joh_3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.



.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Hi Michael,

Not sure what you are saying there. Could you explain further, please?

My brain has reset so I don't recall what we were talking about.

 

[Marilyn C]

[QUOTE="BABerean2, post: 75367484, member: 353202].....[/QUOTE]

Hi BB,

All those scriptures are BEFORE the revelation of the Body of Christ. Israel well knew of the symbol of the Bride, as God calls them that. The believers now are called the BODY of Christ. Each have a place in God`s great kingdom.

Note also that Israel will not know when the Lord, the bridegroom comes for them as they are in partial blindness. (Rom. 11: 25) But for the Body of Christ the Holy Spirit is quickening us daily as to `see the coming of the Lord for us.`

`But you brethren, are NOT in darkness that this day should overtake you as a thief.` (1 Thess. 5: 4)

`and exhorting one another, and so much the more AS YOU SEE THE DAY approaching.` (Heb. 10: 25)

 

[Marilyn C]

My brain has reset so I don't recall what we were talking about.

Quite understand. That`s fine, it happens to me too. Have a good day and talk again.

 

[BABerean2]

[QUOTE="BABerean2, post: 75367484, member: 353202].....

Hi BB,

All those scriptures are BEFORE the revelation of the Body of Christ. Israel well knew of the symbol of the Bride, as God calls them that. The believers now are called the BODY of Christ. Each have a place in God`s great kingdom.

Note also that Israel will not know when the Lord, the bridegroom comes for them as they are in partial blindness. (Rom. 11: 25) But for the Body of Christ the Holy Spirit is quickening us daily as to `see the coming of the Lord for us.`

`But you brethren, are NOT in darkness that this day should overtake you as a thief.` (1 Thess. 5: 4)

`and exhorting one another, and so much the more AS YOU SEE THE DAY approaching.` (Heb. 10: 25)[/QUOTE]



Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.

The New Covenant: Bob George

.

 

[Marilyn C]

Hi BB,

All those scriptures are BEFORE the revelation of the Body of Christ. Israel well knew of the symbol of the Bride, as God calls them that. The believers now are called the BODY of Christ. Each have a place in God`s great kingdom.

Note also that Israel will not know when the Lord, the bridegroom comes for them as they are in partial blindness. (Rom. 11: 25) But for the Body of Christ the Holy Spirit is quickening us daily as to `see the coming of the Lord for us.`

`But you brethren, are NOT in darkness that this day should overtake you as a thief.` (1 Thess. 5: 4)

`and exhorting one another, and so much the more AS YOU SEE THE DAY approaching.` (Heb. 10: 25)

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
.[/QUOTE]

Mmmm you are about to be very surprised. And by that I mean I believe the rapture, the catching away of the mature Body of Christ to its eternal setting in glory, will be as close as early next year. So we`ll be watching and waiting.