God never said how big the created stars were..?

[AirPo]

Any forum about creation especially on a Christian site would have the same expectations. If someone says it is written that generally refers to Scripture. You seem to like quibbling.

It still means nothing, carrys no weight. And your interpretation of it is even more worthless. The funniest parts is this thread is about what is not written in scripture.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Not all beliefs are bad actually

Let me guess: your particular beliefs are good and the others aren't?

 

[AirPo]

Let me guess: your particular beliefs are good and the others aren't?

Well of course. And you know why, because that's what he believes.

 

[dad]

Correct. This is why Science has that explanation and the validated evidence to back it up, it has the best basis for that explanation

Except for all the evidence, of course. you keep forgetting that bit.

Nobody has to believe me. They can test the models that make accurate predictions for themselves. That's the beauty of Science, nobody has to rely on anyone elses' word, they have all the evidence, datasets and methodology for doing the whole thing from the beginning themselves! lol!

and everywhere else in the universe we look too, we've been able to repeatedly validate the predictive models that demonstrate this. You have no answer for any of it other than than to demonstrate a hilariously gross misunderstanding of physics.

Again, except for all the well-validated scientific models we have that accurately predicts what we would expect to see time and time again.

....yet It demonstrably works everywhere we look according to the well-validated scientific models we have, exactly as if time was pervasive throughout the universe. Even if as you fantasize, time isn't pervasive, the scientific models still work because what we see is identical to what we would expect to see. it's entirely up to you to provide an explanatory framework that works at least as good as the scientific models we already have, and I'm going to go right out on a limb here and state unequivocally that you have no hope of doing this. Ever.

"...if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a Duck!" - Likewise, if it looks like a universe billions of light years in size and age, acts like a universe billions of light years in size and age, It's a Universe billions of light years in size and age!

You have not tested time in the far universe, despite how it 'looks' to you here in the fishbowl.

In fact you admitted you did not even know what time was right here! Haha

 

[dad]

It still means nothing, carrys no weight. And your interpretation of it is even more worthless. The funniest parts is this thread is about what is not written in scripture.

Glad you find what is not there the interesting but. I might recommend science as it deals in what isn't here!

 

[dad]

Let me guess: your particular beliefs are good and the others aren't?

Science beliefs about origins are against the truth of God...so are bad.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Science beliefs about origins are against the truth of God...so are bad.

So, yes, like I said: your (faith-based) beliefs are good and evidence-based beliefs that disagree with your faith-based beliefs are bad.

I knew that coming in, off course.
It's typical Last Thursdayism mentality.

 

[dad]

So, yes, like I said: your (faith-based) beliefs are good and evidence-based beliefs that disagree with your faith-based beliefs are bad.
.

Nothing in origin sciences is evidence based. It is religion that molests evidences and sprays them with their beliefs. They basically say

'Blessed is he that believes in the big bang and evolution of life and our godless version of what the unknown far universe is like without having seen'

Ho hum

 

[DogmaHunter]

Nothing in origin sciences is evidence based. It is religion that molests evidences and sprays them with their beliefs. They basically say

'Blessed is he that believes in the big bang and evolution of life and our godless version of what the unknown far universe is like without having seen'

Ho hum

Whatever makes you sleep at night.

 

[dad]

Whatever makes you sleep at night.

The big bang does not make me sleep at night. Nor does believing man shared parents with bugs and beasts, or that earth is just a meaningless little speck in a happenstance universe. I have my own religion thanks.

 

[DogmaHunter]

The big bang does not make me sleep at night.

Right, right....

Big bang, evolution.... it's all completely unbelievable - regardless of all that evidence.
But talking snakes in a magical garden, physically impossible floods, physically impossible boats, the "sun standing still in the sky" and claims indistinguishable from Last Thursdayism? Totally makes sense!

Nor does believing man shared parents with bugs and beasts, or that earth is just a meaningless little speck in a happenstance universe. I have my own religion thanks.

Yes, you made it very clear already that your beliefs are 100% religiously based instead of evidence based. You already made it clear that if the evidence contradicts these beliefs, you'll assume that the evidence is wrong.

We get it.

 

[dad]

Right, right....

Big bang, evolution.... it's all completely unbelievable - regardless of all that evidence

Don't use the word evidence for your beliefs.

But talking snakes in a magical garden, physically impossible floods, physically impossible boats, the "sun standing still in the sky" and claims indistinguishable from Last Thursdayism? Totally makes sense!

Right, none of those things are involving physical only present nature so called science. Science is not equipped to distinguish!

Science has devolved into an incessant fable manufacturing conglomerate that could not tell truth from lies and could not care less anyhow. They have descended into godless belligerent babble mongering madness.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Don't use the word evidence for your beliefs.


Right, none of those things are involving physical only present nature so called science. Science is not equipped to distinguish!

Science has devolved into an incessant fable manufacturing conglomerate that could not tell truth from lies and could not care less anyhow. They have descended into godless belligerent babble mongering madness.

Yes, yes... all scientists should just read a 3000 year old manuscript and just believe what it says and be done with it.

 

[dad]

Yes, yes... all scientists should just read a 3000 year old manuscript and just believe what it says and be done with it.

Your religion can believe whatever it likes.

Basically your religion invents whatever godless scenarios based on godless criteria that they can imagine!

Example in recent news

"
ICRAR Masters student Benjamin Armstrong, the lead author on the study, said most stars in the Large Magellanic Cloud rotate clockwise around the centre of the galaxy.

But, unusually, some stars rotate anti-clockwise.

"For a while, it was thought that these stars might have come from its companion galaxy, the Small Magellanic Cloud," Mr Armstrong said.

"Our idea was that these stars might have come from a merger with another galaxy in the past."

Mr Armstrong, who is based at The University of Western Australia, used computer modelling to simulate galaxy mergers.

"What we found is that in this sort of merging event, you actually can get quite strong counter-rotation after a merger takes place," he said.

"This is consistent with what we see when we actually observe the galaxies."



Magellanic Clouds duo may have been a trio



'How 'must have' some totally invented merger billions of imaginary faith based years in the past happened? We'll run hundreds of scenarios based on our belief system through a computer and pick the most suitable one as the new gospel truth of creation'!!

 

[DogmaHunter]

Your religion can believe whatever it likes.

Basically your religion invents whatever godless scenarios based on godless criteria that they can imagine!

Example in recent news

"
ICRAR Masters student Benjamin Armstrong, the lead author on the study, said most stars in the Large Magellanic Cloud rotate clockwise around the centre of the galaxy.

But, unusually, some stars rotate anti-clockwise.

"For a while, it was thought that these stars might have come from its companion galaxy, the Small Magellanic Cloud," Mr Armstrong said.

"Our idea was that these stars might have come from a merger with another galaxy in the past."

Mr Armstrong, who is based at The University of Western Australia, used computer modelling to simulate galaxy mergers.

"What we found is that in this sort of merging event, you actually can get quite strong counter-rotation after a merger takes place," he said.

"This is consistent with what we see when we actually observe the galaxies."



Magellanic Clouds duo may have been a trio



'How 'must have' some totally invented merger billions of imaginary faith based years in the past happened? We'll run hundreds of scenarios based on our belief system through a computer and pick the most suitable one as the new gospel truth of creation'!!

Indeed, don't they know that the universe was created Last Thursday?

 

[dad]

Indeed, don't they know that the universe was created Last Thursday?

And that it started out so small that it was smaller than one pepper speck, and that they can't even invent a reason why...etc etc. We know. You can't defend your religion and have not the capacity to admit it.

 

[Speedwell]

Your religion can believe whatever it likes.

Basically your religion invents whatever godless scenarios based on godless criteria that they can imagine!

Example in recent news

"
ICRAR Masters student Benjamin Armstrong, the lead author on the study, said most stars in the Large Magellanic Cloud rotate clockwise around the centre of the galaxy.

But, unusually, some stars rotate anti-clockwise.

"For a while, it was thought that these stars might have come from its companion galaxy, the Small Magellanic Cloud," Mr Armstrong said.

"Our idea was that these stars might have come from a merger with another galaxy in the past."

Mr Armstrong, who is based at The University of Western Australia, used computer modelling to simulate galaxy mergers.

"What we found is that in this sort of merging event, you actually can get quite strong counter-rotation after a merger takes place," he said.

"This is consistent with what we see when we actually observe the galaxies."



Magellanic Clouds duo may have been a trio



'How 'must have' some totally invented merger billions of imaginary faith based years in the past happened? We'll run hundreds of scenarios based on our belief system through a computer and pick the most suitable one as the new gospel truth of creation'!!

What's Godless about any of that?

 

[dad]

What's Godless about any of that?

Where is creation by Jesus in it?

They look at the created heavens and assign other reasons and explanations to it.

Another recent example

"
One shape in particular caught her attention. It was a snail shell-like pattern in the graph that plotted the stars' altitude above or below the plane of the Galaxy against their velocity in the same direction. It had never been seen before.

"At the beginning the features were very weird to us," says Teresa. "I was a bit shocked and I thought there could be a problem with the data because the shapes are so clear."

But the Gaia data had undergone multiple validation tests by the Gaia Data Processing and Analysis Consortium teams all over Europe before release. Also, together with collaborators, Teresa had performed many tests on the data to look for errors that could be forcing such shapes on the data. Yet no matter what they checked, the only conclusion they could draw was that these features do indeed exist in reality.

The reason they had not been seen before was because the quality of the Gaia data was a huge step up from what had come before.

"It looks like suddenly you have put the right glasses on and you see all the things that were not possible to see before," says Teresa.

With the reality of the structure confirmed, it came time to investigate why it was there.

"It is a bit like throwing a stone in a pond, which displaces the water as ripples and waves," explains Teresa.

Unlike the water molecules, which settle again, the stars retain a 'memory' that they were perturbed. This memory is found in their motions. After some time, although the ripples may no longer be easily visible in the distribution of stars, they are still there when you look in their velocities.

The researchers looked up previous studies that had investigated such 'phase mixing' in other astrophysical settings and in quantum physics situations. Although no one had investigated this happening in the disc of our Galaxy, the structures were clearly reminiscent of each other."

Gaia hints at our Galaxy’s turbulent life

They see a pattern in motion of stars and automatically try to cram it into their belief set as to why or how it came about. Ever consider that God created stars to influence earth, and set them there for some reason? No. They invent some god awful imagined random collision in far off imaginary time. ( I think in this case they pinpointed the imaginary time scale to within 800 million imaginary years.ha)

Based on what? You guessed it a computer sim. Ridiculous.

 

[Speedwell]

Where is creation by Jesus in it?

They look at the created heavens and assign other reasons and explanations to it.

Another recent example

"
One shape in particular caught her attention. It was a snail shell-like pattern in the graph that plotted the stars' altitude above or below the plane of the Galaxy against their velocity in the same direction. It had never been seen before.

"At the beginning the features were very weird to us," says Teresa. "I was a bit shocked and I thought there could be a problem with the data because the shapes are so clear."

But the Gaia data had undergone multiple validation tests by the Gaia Data Processing and Analysis Consortium teams all over Europe before release. Also, together with collaborators, Teresa had performed many tests on the data to look for errors that could be forcing such shapes on the data. Yet no matter what they checked, the only conclusion they could draw was that these features do indeed exist in reality.

The reason they had not been seen before was because the quality of the Gaia data was a huge step up from what had come before.

"It looks like suddenly you have put the right glasses on and you see all the things that were not possible to see before," says Teresa.

With the reality of the structure confirmed, it came time to investigate why it was there.

"It is a bit like throwing a stone in a pond, which displaces the water as ripples and waves," explains Teresa.

Unlike the water molecules, which settle again, the stars retain a 'memory' that they were perturbed. This memory is found in their motions. After some time, although the ripples may no longer be easily visible in the distribution of stars, they are still there when you look in their velocities.

The researchers looked up previous studies that had investigated such 'phase mixing' in other astrophysical settings and in quantum physics situations. Although no one had investigated this happening in the disc of our Galaxy, the structures were clearly reminiscent of each other."

Gaia hints at our Galaxy’s turbulent life

They see a pattern in motion of stars and automatically try to cram it into their belief set as to why or how it came about. Ever consider that God created stars to influence earth, and set them there for some reason? No. They invent some god awful imagined random collision in far off imaginary time. ( I think in this case they pinpointed the imaginary time scale to within 800 million imaginary years.ha)

Based on what? You guessed it a computer sim. Ridiculous.

All that is just descriptive. They're not assigning reasons or an ultimate cause for it all, and divine creation is not denied or ruled out. I suspect that your issue is not that God isn't in it but that your reading of Genesis isn't in it.

 

[DogmaHunter]

And that it started out so small that it was smaller than one pepper speck, and that they can't even invent a reason why...etc etc. We know. You can't defend your religion and have not the capacity to admit it.

I always love the irony in your projection posts.