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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Hammster, Aug 12, 2019.

  1. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    “Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.”
    ‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:34-35‬ ‭NASB‬‬
     
  2. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    Just would be either punishing all or making a way for all to be saved.
     
  3. Hammster

    Hammster Buckeye Newshawk Award Winner Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Um, okay.
     
  4. Hammster

    Hammster Buckeye Newshawk Award Winner Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Why? If someone doesn’t deserve salvation, why is God obligated to save them?
     
  5. ICONO'CLAST

    ICONO'CLAST Well-Known Member

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    Wrong forum
     
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  6. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    Did you forget Acts 10:34-35? You just replied to it less than one minute before this reply.
     
  7. sdowney717

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    The ones who do the truth, their deeds are done in God, so God was the one who moved on them to do His will. Not by force or power, but by His Spirit, he did that. They did the truth , came to the light, according to the will of God for them.

    20 For every man that evil doeth, hateth the light, neither cometh to light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

    21 But he that doeth truth, cometh to the light, that his deeds might be made manifest, that they are wrought according to God.

    Christ talks about them that do the truth, but the underlying reason they did that, was their deeds were orchestrated by God working in their life.
    For it is God who is within you both to work and to will of His good pleasure. (for those he has determined to save)

    Another way of thinking this, Jesus said
    For without me you can do nothing (bearing the good fruit and the good works)

    John 15:5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
     
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  8. ICONO'CLAST

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    No,not at all.
    You have it all wrong because of a wrong view of the fall.
    All died,no one seeks God.
    Read Ezk.34 God seeks a multitude...they are not seeking Him.
    God is not a spectator watching to see if anyone chooses Him first,He knows better. Psalm14:1-3.
    God is not a respecter of persons.
    All are equally guilty. He elects a multitude of sinners for His purposes..
    Everyone does not have to be ave an opportunity for salvation.That is a complete falsehood.
     
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  9. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    G2038
    Lemma: ἐργάζομαι
    Pronunciation: er-gad'-zom-ahee
    Definition: ἐργάζομαι middle voice from G2041 (ἔργον) ; to toil (as a task, occupation, etc.), (by implication) effect, be engaged in or with, etc.:--commit, do, labor for, minister about, trade (by), work.

    Another way to see this is to say that we work together in cooperation with God. Like Jesus said without Me you can do nothing.

    John 15 is one of my favorite chapters in John’s gospel account. It’s in my opinion the strongest evidence in the Bible that supports conditional salvation. For example verse 2 The Father cuts off every branch in Christ that doesn’t bear fruit. And of course verse 6 Anyone who does not abide (remain, stay, continue) in Me (Christ) is cast away to wither and cast into the fire to be burned. Given Calvin’s doctrine of total depravity it is impossible for someone to be in Christ and attached to the vine which is Christ if they are not chosen by God. The natural man is incapable of achieving this. So John 15 really contradicts Calvin’s understanding of predestination and total depravity since this refers to those who are in Christ and are either cut off by The Father or fail to remain in Christ of their own accord. Not to mention that Jesus is saying this to His 11 faithful apostles who are the only ones present to hear this message. Surely we don’t doubt that they were chosen by God John 15:16 or whether or not they truly believed. ;)
     
  10. Hammster

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    I haven’t forgotten it. Do you think it proves something? If so, what?
     
  11. sdowney717

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    The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord.
    However they are none that doeth good without aid from Him.
    So God must be the one good guiding force altering the course of a man's life, so that the man walks according to the will of God and doeth good works.

    Paul teaches this very thing in Ephesians 2
    10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

    We walk but he guides our steps so that we walk the way He planned for us beforehand.
    And the beforehand shows God had a plan for all the good works we would do before we even were saved or born, so our will was not involved at all in what God has individually planned for us.

    God has no good works planned beforehand for the reprobate wicked dead to walk in who are going to the Lake of Fire at the end.
     
  12. BNR32FAN

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    Says the fool in his heart. That’s the first statement in Psalms 14. Mary did not seek God? John the Baptist did not seek God? David did not seek God? Samuel, Elijah, Moses, Enoch, Noah, Methuselah? Many people seek God it is the fool who does not.

    Respecter
    G4381
    Lemma: προσωπολήπτης
    Pronunciation: pros-o-pol-ape'-tace
    Definition: προσωπολήπτης from G4383 (πρόσωπον) and G2983 (λαμβάνω) ; an accepter of a face (individual), i.e. (specially), one exhibiting partiality:--respecter of persons.

    God is impartial to everyone. Now instead of reading Acts 10:34 by itself put it together with verse 35.

    “Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.”
    ‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:34-35‬ ‭NASB‬‬

    Welcome or accepted
    G1184
    Lemma: δεκτός
    Pronunciation: dek-tos'
    Definition: δεκτός from G1209 (δέχομαι) ; approved; (figuratively) propitious:-- accepted(-table).

    Accepted does not mean chosen.

    Accepted

    to take or receive (something offered); receive with approval or favor:to accept a present; to accept a proposal.
    to agree or consent to; accede to: to accept a treaty; to accept an apology.
    to respond or answer affirmatively to:

    Doesn’t sound like predestination to me brother.
     
  13. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    Amen absolutely
     
  14. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    Or He has orchestrated His plan according to the choices we will make in order to save the most He possibly can without interfering with free will because the whole purpose of our being here is to cultivate humans that will choose to love God of their own free will so that we may be His children and have fellowship with Him. God desires our love. If He was going to choose who will believe and who will not then He could’ve just made us obedient in heaven having no actual free will to choose whether or not we would love and obey Him. But would that kind of love be of any real value to God?
     
  15. BNR32FAN

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    I would agree with that given He has foreseen who will repent and who will not.
     
  16. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    See post 572 please.
     
  17. Hammster

    Hammster Buckeye Newshawk Award Winner Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Are you talking about where Peter acknowledges that salvation isn’t just for Jews, but God will also save Gentiles?
     
  18. sdowney717

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    In keeping that same thought is 2 Peter 3, where the current heavens and earth of this evil age are reserved for fire at the Day of Judgement and destruction of the wicked in Hell.

    BUT, for the BELOVED, whom He loves with a great love as Ephesians 2 describes them, those he has foreknown, He waits patiently with long suffering towards them, not willing that any of those beloved perish but that all of them come to repentance, and they will or he would not be carefully concerned over them.
    v7 is for the wicked whom God knows will never repent.
    v8 is for us who will believe, God knows them as his people from beforehand, so waits patiently with great love for the proper time to make them alive in Him.

    For the WICKED
    7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition (being sent to hell) of ungodly men.

    For the BELOVED
    8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward [c]us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
     
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  19. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    “Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.”
    ‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:34-35‬ ‭NASB‬‬

    This statement is not limited to any particular group. In every nation THE MAN who fears Him and does what is right is WELCOME (accepted, approved) to Him.
     
  20. Hammster

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    Right. So are you proposing that we are saved by our goodness?
     
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