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Featured God loves everyone?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Hammster, Aug 12, 2019.

  1. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    Not on his own no. We’re you born again and a new creation before you believed?
     
  2. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right (power and authority) to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,”
    ‭‭John‬ ‭1:12‬ ‭NASB‬‬
     
  3. Hammster

    Hammster Private Status. Do Not Read. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Really? You don’t think believing pleases God?

    I certain do.
     
  4. Strong in Him

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    Judas knew God, was chosen by God, heard Jesus' teaching, saw the miracles he did, was sent out with the 12 to drive out demons - and then, for some reason, chose to betray Jesus.

    I have my own thoughts about Judas and where he ultimately ended up, and could be wrong. But it's for the Lord to judge him, not me.
     
  5. Strong in Him

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    Demons believe in God, James 2:19.
     
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    ...
     
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  7. Hammster

    Hammster Private Status. Do Not Read. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Well, we aren’t talking about believing God exists. Everyone does. See Romans 1.

    We are talking about believing the gospel.
     
  8. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    Of course believing pleases God but believing and doing nothing does not please Him as James pointed out satan and demons believe and they tremble in fear of God’s wrath.
     
  9. Hammster

    Hammster Private Status. Do Not Read. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    God loves everyone?
     
  10. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    Even believing the gospel is not the only requirement to receive salvation. Believing is only the first step towards salvation. We are also called to bear fruit and obey God’s commandments. Matthew 7:21-24 these people believed they were saved and yet Jesus rejects them because of their disobedience. Matthew 25:31-46 the goats are rejected because they didn’t love others. Their lack of fruit or works was evidence of their lack of love for others. John 15:1-15 Jesus discusses this subject.
     
  11. Hammster

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    Now you are deflecting from the argument.

    You said “We are still a natural man until we receive the indwelling Spirit. I just said it is possible that the Holy Spirit plays a role in our calling to believe.”

    I showed that you cannot please God in the flesh. And believing the gospel is pleasing to God. So the natural man cannot do this.
     
  12. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    I noticed nobody answered my question are you born again before you believe? The natural man is not born of the Spirit he is of the flesh. In order to receive the indwelling Holy Spirit we must first believe. We can receive help from the Holy Spirit before we receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Our believing, if it is from the help of the Holy Spirit, pleases God.
     
  13. Hammster

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    Once again, we cannot please God in the flesh. Why are you insisting that we can?
     
  14. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    So you were born again before you believed then?
     
  15. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    So according to you we can believe and have faith before we hear the gospel and we are born again before we believe?!! This makes no sense at all.

    I’m sorry I misquoted that according to you we can be His sheep before we believe and have faith and we are born again before we believe.
     
  16. Hammster

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    Yes. I could not please God in the flesh.

    How about you? Could you please Him in the flesh?
     
  17. Hammster

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    That’s not what I said, so yeah, it makes no sense.
     
  18. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    I apologize I edited the post right after I posted it.
     
  19. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    I’ve never seen a case of someone receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit before they believed anywhere in the scriptures or anywhere period for that matter.
     
  20. Hammster

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    I never said anything about being indwelled. I’m talking about a changed heart.
     
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