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God Judges Nations

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Tree of Life, Dec 14, 2017.

  1. Tree of Life

    Tree of Life Hide The Pain

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    In Jeremiah 48 we have an oracle against Moab. God will judge Moab, worshippers of Chemosh, because they have exalted themselves against Yahweh (Jeremiah 48:42) and trusted in their own riches (Jeremiah 48:7). Also, God promises to restore Moab in the future, after judgement (Jeremiah 48:47).

    This may be surprising because God had no special covenant dealings with Moab like he did with his people Israel. Yet God judges them because they've sinned against him. Of course, this does imply the universal covenant that God has with all his creatures. Otherwise on what grounds could he judge them?!

    One point we can take away from this is that God judges nations. If any nation continues in self-worship, arrogant pride, and exalts itself against Yahweh then Yahweh will surely pluck it up. But if a nation repents (and trusts in Jesus!) then Yahweh may restore it and build it.
     
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  2. Dave-W

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    There are the Adamic and Noahic covenants.
     
  3. Tree of Life

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    This is what I mean by "universal covenant".
     
  4. Winken

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    If the USA, as a nation, continues in self-worship et al, God will pluck IT up?
     
  5. Tree of Life

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    That's entirely within the realm of possibility. America should repent. This could happen in this age but it will certainly happen at the return of Christ. All nations will be shaken with only the unshakable Kingdom of God remaining.
     
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  6. Winken

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    I think that God is reaching out while Americans are blocking his hand, or turning their backs. One thing that must be considered is that Salvation, eternal security, is based upon the inspiration of the Holy Spirit with each individual. If each of us would realize that we are ambassadors for Christ, rather than ourselves, then I think that nothing could diminish the spread of the fires of Spiritual Love across the land.
     
  7. compassion 4 humanity

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    If God judges the US for its national sins like legal sodomite weddings, what about the 62% of Americans who are Christians, many of whom oppose sinfulness and want our country to move in a godly direction? If God does any judging (and he does), it would be towards the politicians and people in influential positions who are responsible for the moral decay of our nation, not the entire nation. It isn’t right to place collective guilt on everyone for the actions of a minority, and God knows this.
     
  8. ~Cassia~

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    Ruth, who is in the geneology of Christ, was a Moabite. She was David's (great)grandmother and the vessel thru which our kinsman redeemer is exemplified.
    So far Canada is the lovely apartment above the meth lab to quote Robin Williams, but I pray always that it remains the land of the free and the home of the brave that God may keep our land glorious and free! No offence anywhere intended of course.
     
  9. nonaeroterraqueous

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    One of these days you're going to say something I disagree with.

    God judges nations, and that doesn't mean that those nations must be completely removed of his people first, as with the case of Sodom. Sometimes, those nations are torn down, and while God remains with his faithful through it all, their nation still crumbles about their heads. It is good to have God with us in hard times, but it is more convenient to have him with us in good times. I'd rather not see my nation judged like that.
     
  10. Tree of Life

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    I agree. There were many righteous men and women in Israel and Judah at the time that God poured out his judgements on those nations.
     
  11. Tree of Life

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    I'm not saying that America is near to being judged. It may be, it may not be. I don't know. I do know that part of being the "salt of the earth" is preserving nations from judgment by our righteousness. Yet, as another poster here said, the righteous are often swept away in judgement with the wicked. Yet God is with them.
     
  12. Servant232

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    REPAY UNTO HER DOUBLE

    Reporting from FEMA region 9, In the midst of daughter of babylon, usa usa usa.

    Jeremiah 51:9 - Revelation 18:5
    Jeremiah 51:33
    CMOHS.org - Symbolism of the Medal of Honor

    Here is a statement from the Official Congressional Medal of Honor website

    "In 1965 the Air Force MOH was created and it replaced the Minerva portrait with the head of the Statue of Liberty. Lady liberty has a pointed crown instead of a helmet. And she does stand for liberty although she is derived from the imagery of Semiramis, wife of Nimrod, and Queen of Babylon. Semiramis was famed for her beauty, strength, and wisdom and was said to have built the famous Hanging Gardens of Babylon. She purportedly reigned for 42 years after taking control from Nimrod. She is a mythical figure who might be somewhat based upon a historical figure."

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    The Statue of Liberty, the most recognized symbol of the USA

    Is

    The queen of babylon

    Fitting since "The USA is the Daughter of Babylon"

    Read all about her Jeremiah 50 Jeremiah 51 Revelation 18 Isaiah 13:1-13 Isaiah 47:1-5

    Woe to all the shepherds of babylon that have been leading His people astray - nearly all of them are 501c3 servants of another master... corporations, licensed by the daughter of babylon...

    Here Is Wisdom
     
  13. FireDragon76

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    So why hasn't God judged Sweden or Denmark recently, despite the fact they are very much unlike what most American conservative evangelicals would consider "Godly"?

    I'm not quibbling with your interpretation of the text, I just wonder how applicable it is to understanding the modern world.
     
  14. Tree of Life

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    I don't think that we can know clearly why God has suspended judgement or how close a nation is to facing judgement. The Scriptures are given to us so that we might fear this very real possibility and repent, not so that we might speculate about how much time a certain nation has left to revel in its sin.
     
  15. BobRyan

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    Lev 18 - God gives a list of reasons for which He will destroy even a non-Bible-aware pagan nation
     
  16. Dawnhammer

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    Like kicking people from paradise, making them mortal and subjecting them to war, disease and suffering because one guy bit apple after receiving bad advice?
     
  17. obsolete

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    Objectively bad advise is any truth that runs contrary to God's revealed word. Subjectively getting kicked out of the garden for following bad advise when knowing better so being subject to that bad advise puts it in a different perspective.
     
  18. compassion 4 humanity

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    Hey, can you pass me the straw, man?
     
  19. Dawnhammer

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    Always nice to see humor isn’t dead. Clearly it has left this thread though.
     
  20. Servant232

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    Updated in the next post
     
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