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God is not human...

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by visionary, Feb 11, 2012.

  1. visionary

    visionary Your God is my God... Ruth said, so say I. Supporter

    For example, in Hosea 11:9 God explicitly tells us, "…for I am God and not a man."

    First of all, there is always a reprimand against any human being who claims to be God, or Divine, as we read in
    God specifically tells us that if God were a human being, then He would be a liar, as all human beings do lie on occasion. Furthermore, this verse tells us that if God were a human being, He would be in need of repentance because all human beings sin at some point in their lives. Finally, this verse also tells us that if Gd were a human being, then He would make promises, but not keep them:
    The reason that I started this thread is because of something Adovat said..
  2. Phillip Hawley

    Phillip Hawley Y'shua HaMoshiach based Messianic Jew

    This is an interesting topic, especially noting the characteristics of God as He describes Himself and the characteristics of man as He describes man. But we should not get carried away and try to read too much into what He said.
    • It is true that He is God.
    • It is true that He is a Spirit.
    • It is true that He is not a man that He should lie.
    • It is true that He judges those that would hold themselves up as God.
    This does not mean that He cannot place His Spirit into a created being, thereby making a man that acts in all accordance to the righteousness of God.

    The quote from the Jewish Study Bible is bizarre. I don't understand what is being said because every premise stated is false. There are no 'other gods' so;
    1. 'other gods' can't be capricious because they don't exist,
    2. there is no such thing as magic because it too doesn't exist,
    3. 'other gods' can't be manipulated because they don't exist,
    4. 'other gods' cannot in any way be compared or contrasted to Yah because (wait for it) He is the Self-Existent One and 'other gods' don't exist.
    There is however, a way to manipulate God. Engage in a personal relationship with Him on His terms. :doh: :bow:
  3. yedida

    yedida Ruth Messianic, joining Israel, Na'aseh v'nishma!

    In Relationship
    I think Hashem speaks of "gods" because in the world back then, every nation or tribe had their own set of "gods." To the people they were real and they were territorial. I think that's one reason that Hashem was constantly telling His people that He would go with them. He was the True Real Alive God of the Whole Universe. All these other gods could not have journeyed with them. They would have had to change gods as they moved around for "their god" to be effective for them. For me, that perfectly explains the title "King of Kings and Lord of Lords." That never made any sense to me until I realized the truth behind the teritorialness of all those other false gods.
    And as we have already discussed, God deals with people according to the light that they have in them at that point and he grows them up into His truth.
  4. visionary

    visionary Your God is my God... Ruth said, so say I. Supporter

    One of the things that stuck out to me was the fact that one of the main reasons Jews reject Yeshua is because He declared He was God in the flesh, I AM. Blasphemy was what they saw. Not that I blame them, for today if any one declares that they are God, I would also seriously question it. Yet the text that Adovat brought forth was that the very verses that they bring forth to show that God is not man, is by their own study bible, showing that it is not a literal statement but a comparative statement.
  5. yedida

    yedida Ruth Messianic, joining Israel, Na'aseh v'nishma!

    In Relationship
    Yes, I understand their desire to not worship false gods. And I also think that they see Christians worshipping Yeshua as God and also somehow managing to separate him from being God. It's very confusing, truly it is. If I try to overthink it I too get confused.
  6. Jerushabelle

    Jerushabelle Well-Known Member

    Yeshua was indeed God made man, God in the flesh, and not created as Adam was because Yeshua was in the beginning with God. It was important that Yeshua be part man because He needed to overcome what man could not yet He needed to be vulnerable to temptation as man is; to experience what we experience and rise above it, victorious.
    God said through Isaiah that the hearts of the Jews would be hardened against Yeshua. "Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving. Make the heart of this people calloused, make their ears dull and close their eyes." Reading further in Isaiah, one has to wonder if God has now lifted that and what we have now is simply people choosing not to believe or falling prey to a legacy of misleading, which Yeshua pointed out. Isaiah 6:8-13.
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2012
  7. Avodat

    Avodat Contending for Biblical truth

    Other Religion
    That is the obvious logic of the JSB's commentary. As we saw with battle between Elijah and the god of water - Ba'al - when Elijah doused the bull with lots and lots of water to prove that his G_d was far better than Ba'al and all the water added to the sacrifice could not stop the real G_d from showing his mighty power. As it says, all the water was consumed in the fire. There were great battles going on against the false G_ds.

    Whether we like it or not, even today, people have other gods!
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2012
  8. Brother Sammy

    Brother Sammy Guest

    "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a Righteous Branch, and a King shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In His days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is His Name whereby He shall be called, YHWH Tsidkenu~ THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS." (Jeremiah 23:5-6)

    The Jewish Sages tell us of Jeremiah 23 that G-d gives the Messiah His very own Name. As Messianic's we believe the King Messiah is Y'shua, the Righteous Branch. The Scriptures go on to tell us in John 1:1-14 that Y'shua the Word is G-d Who became flesh and dwelt among us. Y'shua Himself declares His Messiahship and that He and G-d the Father are One in John 10.
    Is G-d the Father a man? No of course not. Is Y'shua, G-d the Son a man? YES! He is 100% Man & He is 100% G-d! This is the Hypostatic Union.