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God heals today. If you have a need...

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Johnny4ChristJesus, Feb 25, 2019.

  1. Johnny4ChristJesus

    Johnny4ChristJesus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Okay, we talked about healing before, and some people needed proof. So, if you are one of those who needs proof and you have any physical issues. Let's pray together!

    Let me know.

    We have been seeing some amazing things in stores like Walmart. And, today, God started using us to heal people over the phone. I know we aren't the first who God had done that through, but He does that!

    Someone was healed in Minnesota of a skin infection that had caused him to become really sick including fever and pain. He had been unable to work for three weeks and had been back to the doctor three times for stronger meds. God healed him over the course of 4 or 5 prayers. He got out of bed and jumped up and down to demonstrate he was fully healed. Yay, God!

    Then, in the evening God healed a woman from Texas who has been suffering from migraines and fibromyalgia progressively over 3 prayers. She was bending, twisting, and dancing with a big smile on her face, according to her husband. Yay, God!

    We serve an amazing omnipotent and omnipresent God!
     
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  2. Kenny'sID

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    I suppose it's possible they could have been healed, and if so, I'm thrilled along with you, but you still have no proof they were.

    Can the husband provide doctors records that we can verify, along with several years worth of prescription pain relievers with the patients name on the bottle, and things like that?
     
  3. Heart2Soul

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    All glory to God!
    I need healing in my neck...not sure what is going on but when I move it the vertebrae cracks and pops and shoots pain in different directions....also in 2015 I fell down a flight of stairs, I was wearing socks and I heard my phone ringing downstairs so I started running and when I stepped down on the very top step my feet slipped and I went up in the air and came straight down on my back and rear end, and continued thumping all the way down to the bottom. I landed on the sharp edge of that top stair so hard that is severed my right butt cheek muscle in half, severed my sciatic nerve, severed my hamstring that runs down the right. I am now shorter on the right side of my body by about 1.5 inches....I did go to the ER and the did x-rays and cat scan on my head and spine and rear end....they said that the xrays didn't show any broken bones but I needed an mri to view the soft tissues and such.....oh and they said the cat scan of my head showed a small tumor in my brain but they felt it wasn't anything to be concerned about. I have never been able to follow up since the ER because I don't have insurance for a doctor....I am praying and believing God to heal me in all these areas...
    I also have a bulging disc in my lower spine probably due to the fall.
    Lastly, I have been deaf in my right ear since I was a small child, nerve damage due to a very high fever.
     
  4. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    Kenny, I don't blame you for not believing. I suppose if I didn't see some of the things I have been blessed to see, I wouldn't have any reason to believe any of the stories I hear from others who see more than I do.

    But, let's be honest. It really wouldn't matter if you had all those records you requested. The next question would be how do you know she is healed? Or that those are her records? Or that she didn't switch to another doctor? Or that they were lying over the phone, because I couldn't see them and they were trying to make me feel good. I mean unbelief never stops.

    My hope in posting this wasn't to try to argue with people who don't want to believe what I have been seeing. That is their choice to stand behind before God. My hope was that someone who has a condition and doesn't believe would give me the chance to be used by God as a vessel whereby God could bring them healing and thereby stop the argument in his/her head and for those who know that person more intimately.
     
  5. Kenny'sID

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    That is my point, it hasn't been proven and it never seems to be.

    And that's not to say some healing cannot be proven, they can, but again, they aren't, so it's reasonable to be skeptical.
     
  6. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    I would like a chance to pray with you. It may take a while and I want us to be able to persist, so I have to do it while the resident I work with is either at school or at work. Do you have a friend who loves Jesus who would be willing to lay hands for an extended amount of time while we are persisting in prayer for you?

    There are some things that it is difficult to persist for, because I wouldn't know if it were gone in the moment while I was praying (like the tumor). But, things like pain issues and things that affect your mobility are easier to "test" to see how you are doing in order to persist to completion of (bulging disk, deafness, sciatic pain. I hope that makes sense.

    If you private message me your number, I would be happy to try to coordinate a time to pray over the phone for your healing. And, like you said in your original message. Only He brings it--without Him moving, I am impotent! So, as always, to God be the glory--great things He has done and He continues to do!
     
  7. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    You are right, Kenny, it is reasonable to be skeptical. I was once on your side and I thought all healing evangelists were frauds who just wanted my money. (I don't accept money by the way). But, Jesus chastised those who were skeptical who heard reports.

    I will also tell you it is much easier to claim faith and live on your side than it is to live on my side and practice what I say I actually believe. Sometimes people look at me like I'm looney for offering to pray for them in Jesus' Name in Walmart. So, I certainly understand why people wouldn't want to look foolish in public and actually trust the Word of God. But, Jesus said too many things like giving the signs for those who will believe in Mark 16:15-18. So, if Jesus says those are the signs that follow those who believe, what if you don't have any or most of those signs? James 5:16-18 (especially considering what happened in Elijah's life) is another powerful section of Scripture that we have to deal with as believers.

    How do you reconcile what Jesus said believers would do (Mar 16:15-18) with what you don't do?
     
  8. Kenny'sID

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    I don't reconcile or not reconcile, I'm just skeptical.

    Would you mind getting us some proof next time? Jesus had no problem proving he had healed. He healed people in their home town, and in public where the towns people knew the were crippled, blind or whatever. so it seems to me, a few documented cases to show the whole world, would not be too much to ask, yet no one has done that.

    See how things just don't fit?
     
  9. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    I can see why you are skeptical, because you aren't in the towns with the healing. You don't live with the people who were healed. Even if I had people call you--who I didn't know previously--you wouldn't believe that, because you aren't here and you would certainly think it was a set-up. So, unless you put yourself in a position to see miracles first hand and decide for yourself, you won't ever believe. I can't do that for you. You have to position yourself in position and see for yourself, like an investigative journalist or private investigator.

    If I applied that same skepticism to you as a believer, you can't prove that you really believe in Jesus to me. Jesus said "these signs will follow those who believe" in Mar 16:17-18. Which ones can you prove have happened in your life? So, by Mark's telling of the Gospel, I could and should reject your claim that you believe, because you can't prove any evidences that Jesus said you should--if you really believe.

    Also remember, Jesus didn't applaud the apostles when they disbelieved the testimony of the two men He met on the road to Emmaus. He scolded them. He didn't uphold Thomas' disbelief and need to see for himself, He scolded Thomas. You can read that for yourself. In John 9, the Pharisees wouldn't believe. They couldn't get enough evidence and when the evidence was overwhelming, they claimed they weren't sure where the healing came from. God scolded them through the blind man who had been healed and they kicked him out!

    Next let me deal with my motives: I don't claim to be a healing evangelist. My real name isn't posted here, so you wouldn't even know who I was or where to find me, if you wanted to. I don't travel the world praying for the sick, nor is it my paid occupation or full-time ministry. I'm not building my own church--so that I could be accused of having a selfish personal motive to get people to come to my church. I'm not trying to gain financial resources when I pray for people--in fact I don't take money (freely I have received, freely I give). I just want to see God glorified, because of what God, through Jesus Christ and His Holy Spirit, did for me. So, I understand that you will continue to carry your skepticism, Kenny. I can't and won't change that--only you can. But, just understand, I'm not personally gaining anything here by laying hands on the sick and watching them get healed. My motive isn't to build a name for myself. I don't even tell people where I am--when I pray for them--because I don't want it to be about me. And, the people I am praying for are in places like Walmart. Many don't even believe anything can happen--like yourself. So, they have no reason to "fake it". So, where is my impure self-serving motive? People on this website don't even know who I am, nor have I ever asked for donations, so what is my motive to lie about God healing knowing that those who lie won't be found in the Kingdom of Heaven, according to Revelation (Rev 22:15). Don't you think it is easier to make up or believe a lie that justifies your lack of experience in a matter the Word of God attests to than to actually claim to believe something that requires God to supernaturally show up in an obvious way? Can you imagine how silly I look when I approach people in Walmart and offer to pray for them? Can you imagine how much more silly I look when I offer to pray and they, skeptically, let me and we don't see their healing come to fruition right then and there? So, who has the easier walk of faith, you or me? Whose faith requires God to show up daily in a very real way? Whose faith looks more foolish to the world--shoot even to professing Christians like yourself? So, again, what's my impure motive, Kenny?

    Also, contrary to your claim, Jesus didn't provide the proof you desire. He didn't have the people go to the doctor and be certified ahead of time and then go to the doctor and get checked again and then get a copy of both sets of records to share with the world. That is what you want. Jesus never did that. Towns were closer then, people talked more, lame people hung out in certain locations and they all went to the same synagogue--so they knew each other. There are people who go to Baptists churches in NC who have been healed, but won't acknowledge that they were healed by someone in Walmart in the southern Baptist church they attend, because they want to be part of that club. And, the southern Baptists kick people out when stuff like that is reported--just ask Randy Clark.

    Do you think that when people get healed, those around them don't see it? Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean there aren't plenty of others who do.
     
  10. Kenny'sID

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    It's not just that, I'll take any proof/documentation, I don't have to live in the same town. My only point about Christs healing is it was provable. A letter from a reputable doctor stating the cancer is gone now, or whatever the disease. How bout a clinic where everyone goes and just gets healed, no muss no fuss...why don't they have those all over the place? A before after pic of a badly burned body part healed, but no, seems anything we can see that we could prove it one way or another beyond a doubt that it was healed or not, never happens, and I find that far more than just strange.

    And in spite of any reasoning why I would never be able to believe it or even that I need more faith, it's not that either, after some of the junk I've seen, I have every reason not to have faith in some of these so-called healers, but there are plenty of people out there that have faith in Christ that aren't getting healed for whatever reason.

    And I'm not saying it can't happen, just that it's never been proven to me.
     
  11. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    Randy Clark has a group that documents healings now. Globalawakening.com. It won't prove to you what I am seeing, but he has a staff to chase down documentation as part of his ministry. Hopefully, his ministry can help you. There may be some privacy issues. I'm not sure. I never asked him to prove a healing, I just know from an associate who works with him that they now medically document healings.
     
  12. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    Another person got healed over the phone, today. Yay, God. Jesus paid the price to undo the works of satan. Jesus paid the price to give life and life abundantly.

    This person had a right knee issue. She was in a lot of pain and was planning on getting a knee replacement in the near future. God, the Master Physician, had another idea. Yay, God! It took three prayers to see it come to full resolution, but the adversary can't stand against God if we persist in prayer!
     
  13. Kenny'sID

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    Are you saying the devil caused the knee to go bad or wanted it to stay bad, and you had to battle with the devil with more prayer in order to get the healing?

    Will you follow up to be sure her pain is no longer present? Also, would it be possible to see a before and after prognosis from her doctor, and/or for her to give the doctor written permission to discuss her case with me? Just explain to her you need it for a good cause. Thanks.
     
  14. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    But, why Kenny? If you ever need healing, let me know. We'll let God show you firsthand what He does.

    According to John 10:10, who comes to steal, kill and destroy? Is it God or is it the devil?

    According to 1 John 3:8, why was Jesus manifested? Is sickness and disease a consequence of the fallen world caused by sin or not?

    Why did Jesus often use "forgiveness of sin" and "healing" almost interchangeably--like the time he healed the man "sick of the palsy". The brought him for healing. He first pronounced him forgiven. Then, when challenged by the religious, He healed him. (Mar 9:1-8)

    When asked about the blind man in John 9, Jesus said that it was neither his sin or his parents sin that caused him to be born blind, but it was for the glory of God. Do you think that means that God decided to make the guy blind for 30 years just to set up Jesus for a miracle or was it the devil that made the guy blind and Jesus came to give him life and life abundantly--for God's glory?

    Would God not be glorified today when someone gets healed and I am giving Him all the glory? I'm not saying "look at me", I'm saying "Look at what the God and Father of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ has done!" I'm not claiming to be special. I think we should all be doing this. But, there are so many lies taught in the visible body of Christ that people have been confused as to what the Scripture really says. The more those lies are being broken off me, the more I am seeing how simple God really made it. He made us to be a new creation. He lives in me. His Holy Spirit lives in me. When the Holy Spirit came on men of old, they did amazing things. Isn't the New Covenant based on better promises? If the Holy Spirit is in us, shouldn't more really be happening. Mark 16 is quite clear why many don't see these things. Jesus said if they really believed they would. But, many have succumbed to the traditions of men over what the Word of God plainly says. It is really sad.
     
  15. Kenny'sID

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    Then it wasn't the devil after all? Though you wouldn't answer my question directly, it was clear you were saying it was the devil causing it, and now you are saying the cause is for the Glory of God.. Seems you have tripped over yourself.

    I already told you why, but seems you or no one else has any interest in doing anything to make that proof happen, or even entertain the thought, and I think there is a reason for that. Nothing I asked you for was unreasonable, or even that hard to make happen.

    As your verse says, Jesus's healings were done to glorify God/show his power directly, to show people that Jesus was who he claimed to be, and those healings were done in front of people that knew the one with the ailment, so they were positive they really were healed. So, it seems to me, you all would want to glorify God as well, and prove some of these healings so people will believe God is real, and to glorify him. Today, though we don't know those who are miraculously healed, there is still a way to do that, but all I get from you is "Why?" and a bunch of everything but a "yes, we can prove it for you". and that type thing happens every single time.

    So, let me ask you...why not?
     
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  16. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    No, it is caused by the devil and brings glory to God. God doesn't do it. Otherwise, you would have to say that blindness was good, wouldn't you?

    But, why should that lady have to give her health records to a stranger, just so another stranger can have her private records for proof that she was healed? I think that is the point you are missing. To the person who gets healed, it looks more like I'm trying to establish myself if I need proof other than what I see. And, I still don't believe that most people who want to see proof would believe--even if they have documents.

    May God bless you to see it for yourself in Jesus' Name! Amen.
     
  17. Kenny'sID

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    You aren't understanding me, Jesus didn't have to do anything to show proof but do the miracle itself. Jesus did miracles where everyone already knew those who were sick, really were sick and what their ailment was, so they knew they were healed when they walked when they could not before, and saw when thy were blind before.

    If you truly want to see to it others are healed as you indicate in the OP, do as was done in the bible and prove it can be done like Jesus did, and I guarantee you, just like then, they will flock to your door.

    Hey, i know, are there hospitals close to you? Go heal some there, and if you truly can, I will hear about it, not only will the doctors provide the proof, the media will be all over making it public...plus, you get to heal people like you clearly want to do
     
  18. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    I have and others have here. You just haven't seen it. People here have. But, I'm not trying to make a name for myself. Why does that bother you so much?

    The area Jesus traveled was relatively small was it not? He didn't have internet. He didn't have a phone. He didn't even have a car. You did also notice how many disowned him in John 6 and again at the Cross, right?

    There have been and are many people who travel the world seeing and talking about the stuff I am talking about. And yet, I didn't know of them. You seem to think that the world--which is being deceived by satan--is on God's side and wants to see this stuff get out to everyone. Sorry, but that is a major deception you have bought into.

    Just think of something basic, like male and female and marriage. The Bible is clear, but people--even people who claim to be Christian twist the Truth to say what they want based on what they place above The Word of God on the subject.

    And, how much more of the professing church rejects the supernatural signs that Jesus Himself said would follow those who really believe?

    We are told to be doers of the Word, not hearers only, right? We are told that those who are hearers only are like builders who build on sand and are like those who look in a mirror and walk away forgetting what they looked like.

    You get to decide what you want to believe. But, Jesus said you should be doing it, if you are really a believer (Mark 16:15-18). You owe it to yourself to diligently seek God--through His Word--before it is too late. Just before the builders' parable, Jesus said that MANY will say to me "Lord, Lord" and I will say "Depart from Me, I never knew you...." Don't let that be you.
     
  19. Kenny'sID

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    On the first quote there, that makes no sense at all. What if God had someone killed, he has done that thousands of times in the bible with his armies and such and he intends to do it in the future. Do we now have to say that killing is Good because God does do it? Of course not. God doing something doesn't make that thing either good or bad, and it doesn't make God bad, because even if it is something bad by our standards, he has his reasons.

    There is not even a hint the that the devil caused his blindness, and as I've show your reasoning for thinking that is invalid. For all you know, yes he did have the guy blinded for thirty yrs for his glory. Think about it, him being blind for 30 yrs, and after that long almost everyone is going to be certain, beyond a shadow of doubt that he is blind, the perfect set up to "PROVE" to nearly everyone in that town since he was now able to see, his healing was a legitimate miracle, greatly glorifying God. Now whether God did it for the other possibility or not, there is absolutely no reason the believe the devil caused it, and you are adding that the to the scripture for no good reason.

    Do you really think all disease was caused by Satan?

    I already told you why, because I need proof and I told you several very good reasons why I needed that proof. Who said she had to give her address to anyone? This won't hurt her a bit. But if you/her won't make the effort to help glorify God, the very one who created/healed her, as well as cause people to come to you for healing because they would now have proof, (and yes, I know healing is done through Christ) then don't, but don't put it off as not doable, or that I am expecting something unreasonable...we can find a way.

    Anyway, as it always goes, there will be some reason not to prove it.
     
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  20. Kenny'sID

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    Exactly, I haven't seen it, did you not understand that's why I wanted proof?
    I wan to believe you, and if you were Jesus I would believe you, but instead of taking a little time to do that, I get what I'm getting. You do realize we are told not to put our faith in men, right? The very reason I ask for simple proof, but instead of giving me that you resort to the following. You seem to think I should automatically without question, give you the same respect I would God/Christ, and that scares me.

    So now you are saying I'm not saved because i don't believe some mans claims, and while he's actually refusing to prove those claims? That would be a very foolish thing for me to do.

    And you aren't helping you case one bit. What you are doing is threatening me with hell with absolutely no valid reason for doing so, but only if I don't believe the claims that you refuse to simply prove.

    I'm thinking you have now validated all I thought from the start.
     
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