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Featured God curses Christians

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by GirdYourLoins, Jan 4, 2018.

  1. Brian Mcnamee

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    Hi this is not a curse but really a truth that is not a law. You see sins like alcohol abuse and incest tend to be repeated by many who grew up in homes where this tool place and often lasting many generation of repeated behavior. The Bible says if anyone is in Christ he is a new creation and old things are passed away. If you look at the book of kings it records the king when his dad died and how old he was when he took the throne. It records if walked in the ways of the LORD and then compares if he followed the path of his father too. Many times there are a few wicked kings in a row and then one rises up and breaks the chain. We are all free to make our choices but the fact is many of our choices will effect the generations to follow. We cannot control the past but are given every promise and the power of the Holy Spirit to live Godly lives and overcome whatever proceeded us to this point. God bless.
     
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  2. Strong in Him

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    I started writing my reply about 5 minutes after you posted the thread, so when I clicked "reply", it quoted everything you had written.
    It took me ages to finish my post; I kept stopping to think and look up Scripture. So when I posted it about 12 other people had already replied.

    I didn't say that you did. But you listed a whole string of events as "evidence" that God was cursing you - for someone to curse someone else, it suggests that they dislike, or are annoyed with, the person they wish to curse.

    Firstly, that's all very well, but I didn't know that when I spent over an hour this morning responding to all the circumstances and personal details that you had posted.
    Secondly, I have told you;
    a) you quoted ONE verse - you can't make a doctrine from, or base a belief on, one verse.
    b) that verse was from the Old Testament.
    c) it was written to Israelites at a certain time - not to Christian believers who know Jesus. Even in the OT, there is no evidence that God curses believers.
    d) I quoted a number of verses, and there are many more, which show God's love and that Christ died for sinners.
    e) it is clear in the NT that everyone is responsible for their own sin, the way they live their lives, how they use their gifts and whether or not they respond to God in the first place. A person cannot now say "oh, I had bad luck; not my fault, it was my father's sin".
    f) even if God had said to you as a baby, "you are cursed because your parents are unbelievers", Jesus broke the curse of sin when he went to the cross. If you believe in him, have accepted him and trust in him, he has saved you. He also said, "if the Son sets you free you are free indeed", John 8:36.

    I would also say that another answer is in the verse you quoted; that verse says "those who hate God". If you are a Christian, and have been for 20 years, while you may be cross with God, and not understand him, it doesn't sound like you hate him.
    In Scripture, "hate" doesn't always mean what we believe it to mean either.
     
  3. redleghunter

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    Indeed Jesus Christ took every curse we deserve on His shoulders.
     
  4. Jonathan Leo

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    God does not curse His people, He chastises them Hebrews 12:6
    If you feel God has cursed you, and you are a child of God, you ain’t cursed, He’s teaching you something. This, we have all experienced.

    I’m going to tell you a story of a Christian woman that was born blind. The woman became a popular and well known amongst her piers. She always thanked God for everything she had, has, went through, lost, mourned etc.
    One day an unbelieving work colleague asked her, “why do you give thanks to God, even though He allowed you to be born blind? You can’t see anything in the world, to me God had taken away from you, not blessed you”
    Her response was,
    “God did not curse me, yes I cannot see anything, but when I do go to heaven and I gain my eyesight, the first thing I will ever see in my life, will be His face. God has not cursed me, He has blessed me with that privilege.”

    We need to understand that this world was never Gods plan for us, we sinned and caused this ourselves.
    Another point I want to mention is that God does not listen or interact with sinners. (Unbelievers) The only time He will listen to is your repenting heart and acceptance of His Son.
    He interacts with those who are His (accepted Jesus and walk accordingly) by loving, giving peace, joy, allowing us to make mistakes, comforts, humbles when our heads get to big, raises us when we’re humble, and chastises us.

    None of us like humble pie and
    None of us like being chastised, but rest assured and I promise you this, If you accepted Gods gift (Jesus) and are walking in faith accordingly, He is not cursing you, He’s teaching you.
    The only curse we now have from God is rejecting the One He sent (Jesus)
    And that’s not a curse in my eyes, it’s a pity and inevitably your worst nightmare x 1,000,000

    Be humble in your time of trials and give God the thanks regardless how much your hurting or feeling cursed. It’s His very nature to lift us high, when we put ourselves down as low as you can go.
    Relax, Gods in control
    God Bless
    Jonathan
     
  5. GirdYourLoins

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    Thank you all for your replies. First of all I should confess that I put a deliberately contentious title and OP to promote discussion. I usually try to be nice and only get a few responses. I have been a Christian for many years and have a good relationship with God.

    I wanted to ask a very specific question about a very specific situation. Not many people have actually addressed it but your views on how to answer it are still appreciated. For example condemned and cursed are different things. Condemned is found guilty, cursed is in this context ill-fated.

    I will add another question; have you ever experienced someone saying they hate God with such venom that you are left in no doubt it is true?
     
  6. mozo41

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    knowledge being the necessary serpent in the coming to the truth of who/where we are ...
     
  7. mozo41

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    their is GOD and then there is the perception of GOD ... one can not serve two masters ...
     
  8. RayJeena

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    I think the difference between a “curse” and a “blessing” is all in the
    narrative one chooses to apply to the situation.

    Is it a “curse”? Is it a “kindness”?
    Perspective is, indeed, everything.

    And if I insist on seeing all that comes to me as a blessing, what will be the
    point of God attempting to “curse” me? I’m busy “blessing those who curse
    me”, including blessing Him.


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  9. dqhall

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    I used to blame my parents for my failures. Only when I accepted responsibility for my own actions and started to succeed did I have a better chance to appreciate the good things my parents had done for me.
     
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  10. devin553344

    devin553344 I believe in the Resurrection

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    I wouldn't focus on curses especially ones from God. Don't see things that aren't there, just ignore it and live your life. If God curses you then ignore it and be tough. That's what God wants, because technically curses come from Satan in the bible, like in Jude. That's my personal beliefs.
     
  11. Kit Sigmon

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    Exodus 20:5-6
    You must not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the fathers’ sin, to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing faithful love to a thousand generations of those who love Me and keep My commands.


    This is about those who be worshiping idols, you said you be aware of biblical things, then you should know that Israel and others in the Bible kept falling back into idol worship over and over again...but when they repented of idol worshiping, God accepted their repentance and extended grace.

    Those generations being punished were also worshiping idols...the clue is, "those who hate me"....however, Ruth in the Bible found forgiveness of her pagan ways, she turned from idolatry to worshiping the One True God and keeping His commands, Ruth found grace and Boaz demonstrated being a kinsman redeemer. Ruth abandoned pagan ways and came into fellowship and is the Messiah's family.

     
  12. GirdYourLoins

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    Thank you again for your effort and time spent responding. It is very humbling that someone would spent so much time responding to me. I pray that God blesses you for your heart to other people, even those you dont know.

    The reason I asked this question is it is one very specific time where God says he will curse people. It is not about whether they are sinners, condemned (not saved), turn away from God, etc.

    It is purely about people who have expressed clear and unquestionable hate for God.

    I have only ever come across two people in my life who have expressed such hatred. One was my dad and the other was a very angry man when I was doing street evangelism once. I never saw the second one again so cant comment on him. One thing I have learned is that people are answering the question they want it to be rather than the one I asked. I'm sure their, and your, intentions are good though.
     
  13. Jonathan Leo

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    Yes I have,
    And it’s nothing new under the sun.
    God says they will Hate Him because they love their darkness.
    And if somebody is indepth with the occult, they will despise God, even to the fact as you said froughting at the mouth. Frought when angry comes from complete hatred within someone.
     
  14. GirdYourLoins

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    My interpretation is different to yours. I dont see it as being about people who worship idols, although they could be included. In order to hate someone you must know who they are. Worshipping idols in ignorance because you dont know God is different to knowing Him and choosing to hate him and worship idols. Ruth did not turn from hating God to grace, she turned from ignorance to God.

    It is very specifically about people who hate God. Nothing else.
     
  15. RaymondG

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    I see nothing wrong in you believing what you believe.
     
  16. GirdYourLoins

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    The Hebrew word used here is "sane" which does mean hate. I hope this link is allowed on here
    Strong's Hebrew: 8130. שָׂנֵא (sane) -- to hate
     
  17. Doulosiesou

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    I believe there is such a thing as demon possession. Jesus expelled many demons in His ministry, it's recorded in the NT.

    I think we can be influenced by demons, who probably exist in the 'spiritual' realm. This is a possibility for people who show overt hatred for Christ.
     
  18. GirdYourLoins

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    Demon possession is very real although fairly rare. This is also not what I asked. I understand why you say this but it would be the demon hating God, which Im sure they do, rather then the person. If it was down to demon possession God would not have included in scripture "those who hate me". As you say, demons can also influence us and our thinking. If it is the person hating God then whether they are influenced by demons or not does not change that it would be them that hate God.
     
  19. 2tim_215

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    God chastises those He loves sometimes (unlike our natural fathers for the most part at times).
    Hebrews 12:4-15(KJV) Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
    5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
    6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
    7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
    8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
    9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
    10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
    11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
    12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
    13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
    14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
    15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
    God doesn't chastise us without reason, it's purpose being to bring us back to Him and even though it might hurt is at first, it's for our best interests. Could be some of the reason for the the troubles you've been dealing with. As for the health issues, Paul tells us how he was plagues with some sort of health problem (which he referred to as "the thorn in his flesh"), and he even gives us possible the reason why:
    Paul actually said that he "gloried" in his infirmities (now I realize that we are not all Paul's but this is apparently how he approached it):

    2 Corinthians 12:5-10(KJV) Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
    6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
    7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
    8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
    9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
    10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
    Brother, there's a purpose behind all that you've gone through in your life. A person who has gone through all the things that you have, and who remains faithful, has an even greater testimony to give to the world. The fact that you still do (and have been doing "good" Christian works in the name of the Lord) in spite of everything is a true testimony for you love of God and to the rest of the world. So rejoice that in spite of everything, you're still serving the Lord and can't be moved, He'll make sure you don't give up. And don't forget most importantly what Jesus did for you. He suffered far more than any of can imagine and we ourselves have suffered in this lifetime. Look at what Peter says:
    1 Peter 2:19-25(KJV) For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
    20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
    21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
    22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
    23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
    24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
    25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
    We she never lose sight of what Jesus did for us, and what He went through, no matter how bad things may seem for us. We can overcome whatever hand we're dealt on this earth, as long as we do not give up and have Christ in our lives. Be blessed and may God continue to protect you and bring you strength in the midst of your troubles, in Jesus name.
     
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  20. Kenny'sID

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    Those who choose not to be obedient to God, claim those who try to be obedient, are trying to be under the law, even cursed in this case. That is their way of keeping the obedient from being obedient, while helping themselves to justify their disobedience.

    What that has to do with the OP, I don't know....just thought that, and so many past posts just like it needed a reply. :)
     
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