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God appears to Abraham at Mamre; (GEN 18:1-22:24)

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by RabbiJames, Nov 4, 2017.

  1. RabbiJames

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    PARASHAH: “VaYERA” (and he appeared)

    GENESIS 18:1-22:24………………2 KINGS 4:1-37……………. MATT 8:1-9:38


    YHVH appears to Abraham at his tent, yet it also says that “three” men appeared to him. He addresses them as LORD (YHVH), how is that? One can only wonder. Could one of them be YHVH incarnate and the other two ministering angels? Could all three be a representation of ELOHIM? “Av” (father) “Ben” (son) and “Ruach HaKodesh” (Holy Spirit)? This could open up into a lengthy discussion. All we know is that Abraham receives them with great hospitality. They eat and then they bless. This is pretty much how it works even today. We receive blessings from HaShem, but many times, we bless others, help others, and blessings follow.
    Can we bless “Adonai?” We know that He blesses us in many ways and forms, but how do we “Bless” YHVH? “Baruch” (bless) comes from the word “berek” which means “knee”. When we “bow” the knee in praise and worship, we are, in fact, “blessing” Adonai. We come to pray asking for “this and that” but do we just come and thank HIM for just who He is?
    He announces the birth of “Yitzchak” yet Sarah laughs in disbelief “within herself” not even out loud, or, just barely audible, yet YHVH hears her and asks “why did Sarah laugh? Yeah, but thou didst laugh” Can anything be hidden from the LORD? Even inside us, HE KNOWS what is going on inside us, within the heart, within our minds, HE KNOWS ALL THINGS, even the “not so kosher” things. Something to think about the next time we think we are alone. We really are NOT alone.
    Abraham intercedes for Sodom and Gomorra, yet there were not even ten righteous residents of Sodom. Had Abraham asked; “Will you not spare Sodom for only ONE righteous person?” what do you think that the LORD would have answered? Maybe YES? If that had been so, then, perhaps Lot and his family might have never left the city! Lot was still considered a “Tzadik” a righteous person, yet he was living in a sinful and totally corrupt city. That is a dangerous position to be in, to be comfortable in a place where you have no business to be in! or participate in activities that the lost world does. “by the skin of their teeth” one might say, the angel drags Lot, his wife, and two daughters out of there before the judgment of destruction begins.
    One thing we remember from Parashah “Noach” The Torah says that “Noah was righteous in HIS generation” Does that mean that if he were living in the time of Abraham, be might not have been considered so righteous? If yes, why? Did Noah plead for the lost world before the flood? Did he ask YHVH to save the world IF there could be found a handful of righteous people? We don’t know why transpired during the 120 years that it took Noach to build the ark. Did he preach to the people? Did he warn them of the coming judgment?
    In the book of Enoch, we know that Enoch warned the giants of impending judgment. In Noah’s case, the Torah is silent. We do see that Abraham pleads for the innocent people in Sodom. We know that there were probably infants, and very young kids that were innocent. Sad to say that they too were destroyed, however, they are in heaven today because they died as innocent creations.
    The command of the angel to Lot and his family was “don’t look back” yet Lot’s wife DID look back and was turned into a pillar of salt. Does it really matter what YHVH turned her into? Might as well have been a loaf of bread, a donut, a fudge brownie, a…that fact of the matter is that she DID turn and looked back. This is meaningful, indicating that she “longed” for that life of Sodom. She might have thought, “I’ll take one last look and…ZAP…instant saltine cracker. Perhaps she gazed on the very “essence” of YHVH in destruction mode.
    If one goes to the ruins of Sodom today, one can still find little Sulphur balls embedded in the ruins. When lighted, they emit a bluish flame. Imagine that after all these years, remnants of God’s judgment are still there.
    We also read about the birth of “Yitzchak” and later the separation of “Ishmael” and “Yitzchak”. We see a separation between the “chosen” and the “world”, but also, we see today the “wheat” and the “tares” growing together, not to say that all the Arabs are evil, there are many born-again Arabs who are the descendants of Ishmael, those who love the LORD. But for the most part, the Arab world and Israel are enemies.
    We come to the last part, the final test, “Take your son, your ONLY son who you love, and offer him as a sacrifice” Now God didn’t say “Sacrifice him” only “offer him as a sacrifice” Today, we offer ourselves as “living sacrifices” before YHVH to do his perfect will, and to serve him. Abraham was willing to bring the knife down on his only son Isaac, yet the LORD did not allow him to do so, as it was a test to see his obedience, and to see if he was willing to follow through with “sacrificing and spilling Isaac’s blood”.
    Yeshua, however, was willing to go to the cross, because it was his father’s will. We can see the symbolism here. The altar that Abraham made was of stone, and he placed wood upon it, and upon that he laid his son. Yeshua was led up a stony hill, and was placed and nailed to a wooden cross. Isaac symbolizes ALL of us. Yet when Abraham was ordered to take him off the altar, so we were “replaced” by Yeshua. Isaac was replaced by the ram which was caught in the thicket. The “ram” is “Yeshua” the ram’s horns were caught in the thicket, and around the head of our Mashiach was a crown of thorns.
    God was not willing that anyone should perish, but for ALL to have eternal life. He was not willing that Abraham should give up his only son, but God was willing to give HIS unique SON, Yeshua for the payment of our sin, one time and forever.
    Yeshua was willing and did undergo the “fires” of our sins, up there on that cross for a few hours, and thus made the “new covenant” that through his death and sacrifice, we might be saved. One might say symbolically a “covenant of fire” (brit esh) When we read the word “B’reisheet” (in the beginning) we can see those words, “brit esh” in the middle, just rearrange the letters around. Since “the beginning” YHVH had this in mind, to pay for our sin debt, with HIS blood.

    2 KINGS 4:1-37

    Here, Elisha Ha Navi (the Prophet) ministers to a Shunamite woman, as some prophets had a public ministry, Elisha had more of a private ministry, ministering to individuals more than to the general public as a whole. Yeshua did both, he ministered to the sick, the hurting, the poor, and also preached to the public in synagogues.
    In this case, the Shunamite woman needed a miracle, yet she “blessed Elisha first” by preparing him a meal, the same way that Abraham blessed the three angels that came. He blessed them with a meal, and afterwards, they announced the blessing of the coming of Isaac. Elisha responds with “multiplying the oil”.
    The woman asked pots from her neighbors, then, received the oil, in abundance. Many times, when we look for miracles, we extend a blessing to another, and then, we receive from God, it just works that way at times.

    MATT 6:1-7:29

    Here we have the LORD’s prayer. It is not meant to be something we just memorize and repeat like we do many times with prayers. This prayer is something to meditate on, and let the meaning penetrate our souls.
    “Aveinu BaShamayim” “Our father who is in the heavens” Who has the right to call God, “Our Father” but only those who are members of his family. All of humanity is God’s “creation” and he is humanity’s “creator” but only to born-again believers, he is “Father”
    “Kadosh Shmo” (sanctified be his name) HIS name is YHVH (Yod, Hey, Vav, Hey) which comes from HAVAYA (to exist) he is “Haya” (past) “Hoveh” (present) and “Yiyah” (future). And his name is indeed “Kadosh” (Holy). Contrary to popular belief, the Torah does not prohibit one from using it, on the contrary, the Word of God says “Call upon the NAME of the LORD!”
    “Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven” The “kingdom of Heaven” is HIS activity on earth, so, it is already here. It has been here since Genesis 1:1. It is here and manifests itself in the midst of his believers, churches, synagogues, congregations, bible study groups, etc. There is a “coming” political kingdom and a literal “New Jerusalem” which will appear on earth some day in the future, and what a time that will be.
    “Give our bread continually”. Our “daily bread” does not consist only of literal food, but ALL of our basic needs. YHVH is a loving God and many times, gives us even our “wants”. He will do this “continually”, I have seen this many time in my life, when I just “think” of things I need, all of a sudden, I get them, many times for free.
    “Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us” Many times, we commit sins against God, and yes, we want Him to forgive us, but what about people who have committed offenses against us? Are we holding grudges against them? If so, how then can we expect forgiveness for our sins? Our sins against our Holy God are greater. We must learn to forgive those around us. At times, it is hard, but it is a “command!” when it can’t come from the flesh, it must come from the spirit.
    “Do not lead us into the power of temptation, but keep us from all evil…amen” What is the “power” of temptation? It is succumbing to the power of HaSatan. Remember that just because we are “b’nei Melech” (children of the King) does not mean that we are free from being tempted. Everyone on this earth has been tempted, even our LORD and Messiah. This is part of testing, we can be tempted, but that does not mean that we will give in to the temptation and commit sin. It is OUR choice, the very last word is “Amen” which comes from “amun” which is “to say something that is true” so, when we say “amen” it is “so be it, as it is truth from God” (this was taken from a Primitive Hebrew text, as the first “LORD’s prayer was written in Hebrew) there is also an Aramaic rendition of the LORD’s prayer, look it up on “YouTube”

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  2. CherubRam

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    Genesis 18
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    (The LORD / Yahwah) (saw / appeared to) Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day.
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    Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby.
    The people in Heaven are also called elohiym. Abraham saw a god. It is a shame that the translators are so reckless in their translating.
     
  3. CherubRam

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    A god

    John 1:18. No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

    The above script should read (a god). Small g.



    John 10:34. Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

    Above Christ himself says that he is a god from heaven.
     
  4. MyGivenNameIsKeith

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    Very interesting ...
     
  6. Steve Petersen

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    Rabbi James, what organization are you ordained through?
     
  7. Dkh587

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    Abraham saw & was talking with the pre-incarnate Word of YHWH. The Word of YHWH had already appeared to Abraham in a vision - this is how Abraham knew who he was looking at. He saw the Messiah

    In the Tanach, The Word of YHWH was called YHWH, Messenger of YHWH, and Elohim/God - John 1:1
     
  8. CherubRam

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    No where in scriptures is Yahshua called Yahwah.
     
  9. Heber Book List

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    Typical JW argument :) It is not permitted on these fora to deny the deity of Yeshua (or whichever of the many name variations might be used).
     
  10. CherubRam

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    I am not a JW, but I do believe scriptures should be correctly translated. Saying that Yahshua is "a god" does not deny his deity. All of the people in Heaven are called "elohiym / gods."
     
  11. Heber Book List

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    Using the term 'a god' makes him to be one of many. Using a lower case 'g' makes him NOT equal to G_d, further making the case for him being a minor god.
     
  12. CherubRam

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    This is what Christ said about himself:
    John 14:28
    “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
     
  13. Heber Book List

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    Why state the obvious to try and argue a very negative point? The obvious is that when he was walking this earth he was as Philippians 2 explains, ergo the Father was greater than him whilst he walked this earth. It was /is no mystery and adds nothing to your argument except an ability to use eisegesis to try and make your previous statements from John, to mean what you want them to mean.
     
  14. CherubRam

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    There seems to be a translation problem in Phil 2. Christ name should have been translated as "Yah's Salvation."

    Yahshua directed us to worship Yahwah only, and stated that he does not accept any glory from mankind.

    John 5:41
    “I do not accept (glorification / praise / worship / honor) from human beings,

    Matthew 4:10
    Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship (the Lord / Yahwah) your God, and serve him only.’ ”

    Luke 4:8
    Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship (the Lord / Yahwah) your God and serve him only.’ ”

    In the scripture he is quoting, "the Lord" is Yahwah. Yahshua also rebuked the woman, saying he did not have the authority to decide who sits by him.


    Matthew 20:23
    23 Jesus said to them, “You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father.”
     
  15. Heber Book List

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    Same reasoning and same answer as I gave last time - re-read it.
     
  16. CherubRam

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    Philippians can also be translated this way.

    Philippians 2:9-11

    9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
    and gave him the name that is above every name,
    10 that in the name of Yah’s Salvation every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth, and under the earth,
    11 and every tongue acknowledge that Yahshua is lord,
    to the glory of God the Father.
     
  17. Heber Book List

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    It can also be translated as it is in the Bible. The above proves very little. If you are intent on insisting that he is a god, and not G_d, you should do the honourable thing and cease to post in the MJ fora.
     
  18. klutedavid

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    Hello CR.

    The Father was greater than the Son while Jesus was in human form, Jesus had humbled Himself.

    Yet they shared the glory before the world was created.

    John 17:5
    Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
     
  19. CherubRam

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    John 17:3-5.
    3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
     
  20. CherubRam

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    Years ago Trinitarians murdered Non-trinitarians. They promoted a Sunday Sabbath, they claimed Christ was hung on a cross and not a stake, that there is a Hell, the Pope is God on earth; and other such things.

    It is plain to see what side you are on.
     
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