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Global Warming - a lesson based on an astroid

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by MorkandMindy, May 23, 2020 at 12:04 PM.

  1. MorkandMindy

    MorkandMindy Senior Veteran Supporter

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    Greetings Earthlings!

    It appears you have an impasse on your planet as to whether Global Warming is man-made or natural. And if it is natural than nothing can be done about it and nothing should, so say some.

    There's a very big asteroid heading toward the Earth and if it does turn out to be on a collision course and can be destroyed, will you do it?
     
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  2. ReesePiece23

    ReesePiece23 The Peanut Buttery Member.

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    I think humans should just stop meddling about, full stop. We can all agree that solar energy is the way to go, so let's use it. But to influence the Earth in any way shape or manner, is just not right. Even if it's to make the atmosphere more sustainable for life, it's STILL not our place to mess about.

    We're just guests here. VERY lucky ones at that. (Obviously, our influence is unavoidable for as long as we're here.)
     
  3. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    We'll watch it on tv, as entertainment.
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  4. Goonie

    Goonie Not so Mystic Mog. Supporter

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    Global warming is natural. Last time I checked Humanity is part of nature(though some define humanity as separate, I disagree). And as such anthropogenic climate change is both natural and man made. And like the asteroid we definitely need to act to divert, mitigate it's effects, and address how we impact the environment.

    Be a good shepherd, not an asset stripper.
     
  5. mindlight

    mindlight See in the dark Supporter

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    Well that is just typical ,using project fear to try and stop the asteroid!!! Since when have we be taking advice from a bunch of foreigners anyway. My mate from the pub was chatting online with me over our Zoom pub meet the other day over a few jars and he said that this was a just a conspiracy by the Illuminati using aliens as their cover story, everyone knows the Lizard people are already here. Our strategy is to say nice things to it and hope it turns away or better still ignore it completely.
     
  6. MorkandMindy

    MorkandMindy Senior Veteran Supporter

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    I'm sympathetic to Global Warming deniers for a bunch of reasons because the claimed temperature rise was too small to verify empirically as some of the weather stations had been enveloped in urban growth and therefore were warmer and the weather stations were progressively repainted from the original whitewash with CaCO3 pigment to latex paint with TiO2 pigment.

    And the proposed methods for dealing with it were very expensive and unlikely to be effective.

    And it appeared that the proponents had backed away to a safer claim that the Climate was changing, which it always does, so they appeared to have retreated and to be hedging their bets.
     
  7. MorkandMindy

    MorkandMindy Senior Veteran Supporter

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    Recently the Global Warming has been verified but the next reason is why?

    If it is part of a natural cycle then it would be reasonable to claim it will simply swing back again in it's own time.

    But analytically the man-made contribution to the atmosphere will by my calculations give about 2/3 of a Celsius based on the data for oil reserves and coal mining back around 2004.

    The scare factor is even a small change might result in methane emissions which could be a run-away situation.

    There are various factors in the opposite direction for example that saying the CO2 levels are much higher than they were in the past million years, which also implies that the rocks could be in equilibrium with lower levels and therefore are now able to absorb CO2.
     
  8. MorkandMindy

    MorkandMindy Senior Veteran Supporter

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    CO2 can be expressed as oxidized top soil so this could all be re-conceptualized as an agricultural problem.

    SO there are answers.

    1. Look after the soil, many areas are getting too low on top soil to grow crops efficiently so make that a planet-wide priority.

    2. Plant a zillion trees.

    3. Might work to use the higher sulfur fuel on high altitude long distance flights, making the upper atmosphere more reflective. This is being researched.

    4. Might work to block the Bering Strait, keeping the deep water with high CO2 content in the depths of the Pacific rather than flowing across the shallow Bering Strait and exchanging into the atmosphere.

    5. I think we would all be happy to waste less and to install photovoltaic panels or have big solar farms in the sunniest parts of the country. It conserves petroleum and it feels good. Anyway we have to vote Green because the other two parties are being stupid.
     
  9. Vylo

    Vylo Stick with the King!

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    There is no impasse, just people who ignore the science and history. We have never had such an abrupt temperature chance in our planets history, and that includes the incident where a city sized asteroid smashed into the planet wiping out most life. It would be hard to conceive of that being coincidental with our massive output of greenhouse gases.

    Now beyond the man made warming, we have to contend with the fact that global warming is inevitable. While the sun's output has not noticeably changed during our ecologically short stay on this planet, it will over time, and on top of that the normal cycle will occur where we leave our current ice age. We need to prepare to contend with that approaching reality, and dealing with the more pressing issue of our self-inflicted disaster could prepare us for down the road when more natural forces take a swipe at us.
     
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