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Gifts of the Spirit

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by JRSut1000, Jun 4, 2012.

  1. I'm a cessationalist (gifts were only for the time of the Acts of the apostles)

  2. Yes, all the gifts are in operation today

  3. Yes, limitedly: only some of the gifts

  4. Not sure

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  1. Chaplain David

    Chaplain David CF Chaplain Staff Member Chaplain Supporter Recovery Team

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    I am not sure if I have ever seen a demon. Logically, since they exist I probably have. In my case, one in particular I'm thinking about I would call an evil man.
     
  2. yedida

    yedida Ruth Messianic, joining Israel, Na'aseh v'nishma!

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    Go back and look at the original statement. I did NOT say "in a poof." I said, and then, poof, nothing. The magician threw something, and poof, smoke appeared and he was in the back of the audience coming through the doors to the auditorium - that kind of "poof." I can't believe I'm the only person who has ever used that word like that! I've used that word for almost 60 years! Sheesh! :confused:
     
  3. yedida

    yedida Ruth Messianic, joining Israel, Na'aseh v'nishma!

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    The shul I'm used to believes the opposite from most mainstream churches - worship leads to praise. So our services begin with liturgical prayer to personal prayer. It is a full prayer service, lasting anywhere from 60 to 90 minutes. During this time we do sing a little bit - the Sh'ma, V'Ahavta, Oseh Shalom, Ma Tovu and maybe Romemu and Kadosh L'Cha but that's about all the singing involved in the prayer service. Then we have a short break where we greet one another and then we settle down for a teaching, again lasting about 60-75 minutes. Then table fellowship. Sometimes afterwards we will have song and dance but not always.
    I really love the way it's ordered. It's very balanced and a very serious worshipful time - one that is extremely fulfilling and edifying, building up the spirit for another week.
     
  4. yedida

    yedida Ruth Messianic, joining Israel, Na'aseh v'nishma!

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    I had such an experience that has never left me. Back many, many years ago while I was still in my early 20s and was still the all American hippie. I had turned my life over to God and it had only been just a few weeks into that whole scene (I didn't even have a bible!) when I went to visit the guy I had been "dating." When I walked into the room he was renting it was like some kind of evil fog was in the room, you could almost feel the heaviness of it. Whatever it was it was emanating from him and even from the cat that was curled up on his bed.
    I had gone there with a girl friend and even she could feel "it," whatever "it" was. We stayed long enough to say hello and goodbye.
    I've never forgotten how that visit to an old friend seemed to turn into a visit with evil personified. I never want to experience something like that again. It was awful, left us both feeling so helpless. We didn't know at the time that we might could have done something about it, we were just too young as believers. In another way, though, I'm glad we didn't try to do anything.

    P.S.
    I forgot to mention that the guy had no idea that we were "saved, born again christians" but he said something that really scared us. He said, and I quote, ver batim, "I know whose you are." That's actually all he said to us. So we simply said we'd just stopped by to see how he was getting on and we then quickly left. The oppression was so thick, like London's pea-soup fog.
     
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2012
  5. Avodat

    Avodat Contending for Biblical truth

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    I've only seen one once - a sort of amorphous, floating grey mass. It was in a building that had been used for ouija sessions. Three of us were there to 'cleanse' it. We had a very real presence of G_d and that of demons, too. It took several hours to do the job.
     
  6. Little Dove

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    yedida reading your post, reminded me of something.
    Last spring we needed some help spreading some gravel in our driveway & so I went to a home to see if they could help. Well the wife was home & came out.
    I was told, that her husband wasn't home. I noticed the woman had backed into the far corner of her porch & wasn't acting to friendly. :confused:
    We knew her husband, but I didn't remember meeting her. Well I started telling her where we lived & who I was. That's when she said, I Know Who you are!
    I was thinking, now where in the world did that come from. I knew that was a demon who was speaking to me.
    We finished shoveling the gravel ourselves.
     
  7. visionary

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    Yep, a wisp of smoke that could change its direction and go through walls.
     
  8. Avodat

    Avodat Contending for Biblical truth

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    It was more a rather nebulous thick grey something, about yard or so, long, and some eighteen inches from top to bottom at its widest point. No idea what its depth was - working that out would be too close for comfort. It just floats/hovers in mid-air - and can disappear without doors being opened or shut! Menacing in appearance!

    I guess they have variety in how they manifest themselves - how ever they appear it is scary!
     
  9. visionary

    visionary Your God is my God... Ruth said, so say I. Supporter

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    mine could accumulate to be about the size you mentioned... but while travelling acted like a swarm and was see through wispy.
     
  10. Chaplain David

    Chaplain David CF Chaplain Staff Member Chaplain Supporter Recovery Team

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    It's been a while but I went through a period where I would see these dark, grayish colored things zipping by. I could not see them directly but saw them out of the corner of my eye. I believe they were some kind of demon or demons looking for trouble.

    This may sound weird for a Baptist but I am a pentecostal Baptist who believes all of the gifts are alive, well and in use today as they were long ago.

    I was taught a casting out prayer by one of my mentors that I still use if I feel the presence of evil in the area. Praise God it always has worked and replaced the various feelings of fear with peace that only the Lord can provide.

    I also pray for supernatural protection if the situaltion seems to warrant it even asking God to send Angels to help protect me if it be His will.

    Shalom
     
  11. visionary

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    very wise :thumbsup:
     
  12. Little Dove

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    I did notice that you where a Baptist. You are a first for me, that I know really believes & will speak about demons.
    Praise the Lord for you!:clap:
    I have always wanted to know, if there was something, I could pray in my spirit, when I am confronted with a demon ?
     
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  13. DennisTate

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    I stupidly got myself into A LOT of trouble by praying in an unwise manner in 1990. I went through a decade at being angry with G-d once I ran into the negative near death experience accounts and was forced to rethink the "soul sleep" idea that I had been taught regarding the state of the dead.

    In August of 2000 I sent an e-mail to Maria in Ecuador and somehow G-d told her to fast and pray for me for 35 days!!! For four weeks for three days/week she only drank fruit juices. Then for seven days in a row she drank only fruit juices, no solid food and Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua woke her up most mornings and told her to pray for me. Sometimes she fell asleep and he woke her up again and told her to pray for me.

    I was 5000 miles away experiencing the most astonishing levels of peace/Shalom that I had ever been given in my life!

    I knew essentially NOTHING about these types of spiritual gifts until my zealous Pentecostal wife showed me. For the record she is still rather uninterested in the Jewish Sabbaths, eating habits and thoughts...but I don't complain because she is guided in ways that I can hardly imagine. Also I am still confused on exactly how to observe the Sabbath in many ways so I don't set her a great example for her to go by either....so much of her disinterest is actually my fault!
     
  14. yedida

    yedida Ruth Messianic, joining Israel, Na'aseh v'nishma!

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    People can fill their heads with so much junk that there is no room left when the truth comes to find a place to land. Pre-suppositions take up a lot of mental energy. And it seems to defeat the purpose to be so invested in death that there is little room for living.
     
  15. DennisTate

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    True, but Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua warned people about some sort of higher dimensional Auschwitz type of environment more than any other author of scripture!


    Matthew 13:50

    Mat 18:8

    At the most fundamental level everything is composed apparently of Super Strings and Super Waves and/or Super Energetic Matter.

    Isaiah 66:24
    A Dr. Michael Yeager had a vision where he saw a lake of fire with worms in it that came to him and went all through him.....He was also shown that selfishness was the gateway to hell.....I have wondered after reading what he was shown if his consciousness had been shrank down and down and down until he beheld fundamental energy in its two forms?!?!?!

    Since his vision Dr. Yeager has been travelling and preaching as best as he can in order to attempt to warn people?!

    I don't feel comfortable at all with this angle on the gospel....I don't like the way that Pastor Ray Comfort and Pastor Kirk Cameron are going at things but....they may be performing a function that is far more valuable than I have ever began to realize?!
     
  16. yedida

    yedida Ruth Messianic, joining Israel, Na'aseh v'nishma!

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    I don't know who these people are that you keep mentioning. I don't follow christian teachers at all.
    A Kirk Cameron I know, he's christian science, not christian at all.
    Oh, and Yeshua didn't author anything in the bible....
     
  17. JRSut1000

    JRSut1000 Newbie no more!

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    I find it limited to just follow 'messianic' teachers because God gives truth to people outside the realm of our small 'denomination'. Of course it takes discernment no matter who it is, but God does give revelation and anointing to people outside the messianic realm.
     
  18. yedida

    yedida Ruth Messianic, joining Israel, Na'aseh v'nishma!

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    :wave:Never said He doesn't give insight to others, just too much muck and mire to meddle through for my liking. I'll stick to those who are more attuned to what Yeshua was trying to teach his people from the Torah. That way I can get the very same truths plus some. ;)
     
  19. Avodat

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    Is that the Dr Yeager, MD., who was a drug addict or the one who, amazingly, gained two higher Doctorates by the time he was 23?
     
    Last edited: Jun 10, 2012
  20. Gxg (G²)

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    I think it's interesting what you noted in light of how many within the Messianic Movement have been teachers themselves and yet don't advocate for others to only stay within the Messianic movement in what's taught...or think that the MJish movement is where certain things alone are taught. No one needs to ever be in a spiritual or intellectual ghetto where they isolate themselves and cut themselves off from the rest of the Body....
     
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