Germany under communism and the parallels to our current administration

[JacktheCatholic]

Her video explanation of what happened in Germany under communism and the parallels to our current administration and the path we are on will give you a chill.

Elke's warning - YouTube

East German Survivor Warns America ‘Communism Doesn’t Work’ | Video | TheBlaze.com

 

[WarriorAngel]

i just watched this from your FB post.

She lived it, she is an eye witness.
Nobody better say 'Comparison to Hitler - you lose.'
Its is a comparison, because it is paralleled.

WE are going down the path - and we have to take our heads out of the sand and understand - from ppl who lived it and see it happening again.

WITH PRECISION

 

[JacktheCatholic]

This is not a ad hominem to Nazis but a woman who lived under Nazi rule and is now an American citizen making a prsonal comparison. I hope we all can accept that in this case.

 

[WarriorAngel]

I would take the advice of someone who lived it - saw it - and would never forget it because they have the true reasons for wanting to avoid it.

 

[WarriorAngel]

And a thought is on my mind.

Besides PCism - which causes us to not to speak of such things - or call a spade a spade - i dreamed there is going to war on our land - persecutions. Our children will be in trouble...

Ppl will be hiding, houses will be hollowed. Ppl will be in the woods. Regrets - lots of regrets.

Its one dream i hope doesnt come true - tho a lot of other dreams i hoped wouldnt come true that did.

Still think it will Eastern countries bringing war to us, but the fact we are reduced and weak - from this admin does not give me a sense of security.

 

[MikeK]

I am thankful that our two major parties in the United States are, you know, not communist. Parties which bail out private industry, which show little if any interest in the widespread collectivization of private for-profit concerns, which make no efforts to eliminate other political parties acannot be called communist by any honest person with a straight face.

Merely placing restrainsts on capitalism and advocating for government mandated services is not communism.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I am thankful that our two major parties in the United States are, you know, not communist. Parties which bail out private industry, which show little if any interest in the widespread collectivization of private for-profit concerns, which make no efforts to eliminate other political parties acannot be called communist by any honest person with a straight face.

Merely placing restrainsts on capitalism and advocating for government mandated services is not communism.

I think the lady was merely pointing out a parallelism to what the Obama administration is doing (how they communicate and the changes they have made for Federal control) and her experiences in Communist Germany. I do not think she called our gvernment or any party, a communist. She did say socialist, though.

Personally, I thought it worth a consideration to hear what someone raised under Communist rule thought of the current events in the US political environment as a now American citizen.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Germany wasnt communist either. They slowly drove down the road of socialism - which is wading in the commie waters while slowly rights dissolve and God eventually disappears to make headway for full blown but they wont say it - communism.

IT is a starter kit of sorts for ppl truly afraid of communism and would not be willing to soak it all in - at first. Before we know it - we are sitting ducks.

HOW MANY HERE TRULY THINK PPL IN COUNTRIES WILLINGLY WENT TO COMMUNISM? HOW MANY HEAR REALLY UNDERSTAND IT WAS A SLOW CRAWL BUT EVENTUAL AND GENUINE TAKE OVER??


IF you listen to her - the premise of Hitler was based on helping the poor.... yah, and we saw how well that worked out, or werent we paying enough attention?


In practice, the so-called Communist states do not refer to themselves as Communist states. They do not do so to disguise the fact that the ruling party is communist, however, but because they do not consider to be in the present time a communist society. Instead, they constitutionally identify themselves as socialist states or Workers' states. The primary goal of these states, which also explains their official name, is to guide their respective countries in the process of building socialism, ultimately leading to Communism.
Communist states may have several legal political parties, but the communist party is usually granted a special or dominant role in government,[1] often by statute or under the constitution. Consequently, the institutions of the state and of the communist party become intimately entwined, such as in the development of parallel institutions.


Communist state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


IF you do not know history - you will be doomed to repeat it.

 

[WarriorAngel]

IF you do not know history - you will be doomed to repeat it.

 

[WarriorAngel]

IF you do not know history - you will be doomed to repeat it.

 

[MikeK]

Germany wasnt communist either. They slowly drove down the road of socialism - which is wading in the commie waters while slowly rights dissolve and God eventually disappears to make headway for full blown but they wont say it - communism.

Dear God, what are you talking about? East Germany was a satelite state of the Soviet Union and always existed as such. There was no slow drive down the road to communism. Their fate was sealed for them at the Yalta Conference when the governemnts of the United States, Britain and the Soviet Union agreed on seperating the soon-to-be-defeated-Germany into seperate occupation zones.

 

[benedictaoo]

I am thankful that our two major parties in the United States are, you know, not communist. Parties which bail out private industry, which show little if any interest in the widespread collectivization of private for-profit concerns, which make no efforts to eliminate other political parties acannot be called communist by any honest person with a straight face.

Merely placing restrainsts on capitalism and advocating for government mandated services is not communism.

Jpll condemned capitalism (i meant), he was not a fan of it in any form. It is not compatibly with Catholic and social justice but what ever... only the liberals can be guilty of dissent and going against the pope and bishops.



and this thread needs to be taken to the political sub forum. I do believe David Nic made it clear that we are not to open political threads in this forum... but listing to those who have authority over us is not everyone's strong suit.

 

[MikeK]

IF you do not know history - you will be doomed to repeat it.

Repeating yourself bigger and redder isn't going to make any reasonable person take you seriously.

“You raise your voice when you should reinforce your argument.” - Samuel Johnson.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Quick question for my clarification:

Does this qualify as a "political thread" ?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Quick question for my clarification:

Does this qualify as a "political thread" ?

I am not sure...

I thought it was related to current events and could be related to either Catholic teaching or politics. Let us see where the discussion leads us.

 

[Antigone]

IF you do not know history - you will be doomed to repeat it.

IF you do not know history - you will be doomed to repeat it.

I knew that quote was doomed to be repeated.

You know who said it originally, right?

I mean, in light of this thread it seems important.

 

[isshinwhat]

Jpll condemned capitalism (i meant), he was not a fan of it in any form. It is not compatibly with Catholic and social justice but what ever... only the liberals can be guilty of dissent and going against the pope and bishops.

To be precise, Bene, the way Capitalism can be practiced was condemned, but not the concept in and of itself, which is morally neutral. Socialism; however, was condemned as being at its core incompatible with the Catholic Faith. There is a distinct difference.

Returning now to the initial question: can it perhaps be said that, after the failure of Communism, capitalism is the victorious social system, and that capitalism should be the goal of the countries now making efforts to rebuild their economy and society? Is this the model which ought to be proposed to the countries of the Third World which are searching for the path to true economic and civil progress?

The answer is obviously complex. If by “capitalism” is meant an economic system which recognizes the fundamental and positive role of business, the market, private property and the resulting responsibility for the means of production, as well as free human creativity in the economic sector, then the answer is certainly in the affirmative, even though it would perhaps be more appropriate to speak of a “business economy”, “market economy” or simply “free economy”. But if by “capitalism” is meant a system in which freedom in the economic sector is not circumscribed within a strong juridical framework which places it at the service of human freedom in its totality, and which sees it as a particular aspect of that freedom, the core of which is ethical and religious, then the reply is certainly negative.

~ Pope John Paull II, Centesimus annus, §42.

Examine that versus:

“Continuing our reflections, … we have to add that the fundamental error of socialism is anthropological in nature. Socialism considers the individual person simply as an element, a molecule within the social organism, so that the good of the individual is completely subordinated to the functioning of the socio-economic mechanism. Socialism likewise maintains that the good of the individual can be realized without reference to his free choice, to the unique and exclusive responsibility which he exercises in the face of good or evil. Man is thus reduced to a series of social relationships, and the concept of the person as the autonomous subject of moral decision disappears, the very subject whose decisions build the social order. From this mistaken conception of the person there arise both a distortion of law, which defines the sphere of the exercise of freedom, and an opposition to private property.” (Ibid, n. 13)

As Pope John XXIII said:

“Pope Pius XI further emphasized the fundamental opposition between Communism and Christianity, and made it clear that no Catholic could subscribe even to moderate Socialism. The reason is that Socialism is founded on a doctrine of human society which is bounded by time and takes no account of any objective other than that of material well-being. Since, therefore, it proposes a form of social organization which aims solely at production, it places too severe a restraint on human liberty, at the same time flouting the true notion of social authority.” (Encyclical Mater et Magistra, May 15, 1961, n. 34)

 

[Needing_Grace]

I knew that quote was doomed to be repeated.

You know who said it originally, right?

I mean, in light of this thread it seems important.

T'would be nice if they bothered to quote it correctly, as well.

 

[Etheldreda]

'helping the poor. That's what they said under communism...'.

.. I don't think that's the only place I've heard that before.

'Sell your possessions and give to the poor; make yourselves purses which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near, nor moth destroys'.
- Luke 12, 33

 

[ivebeenshown]

'helping the poor. That's what they said under communism...'.

.. I don't think that's the only place I've heard that before.

'Sell your possessions and give to the poor; make yourselves purses which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near, nor moth destroys'.
- Luke 12, 33

Helping the poor in the context of Big Brother managing/enforcing 'charity' (which is not truly charity at all.)