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Germany gets contracts for american highspeed train system

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Do you have already a post oil plan?
Bro you have good talking points, but the problem is we aren't united! Freedom is in the balance as we are divided! We have the technology but we're politically corrupt! We are broke and people need the truth then need time to process it....it's all to surreal for them! Then we need people that can govern properly by making the tough decisions that's going to take all of us pulling together! No more free lunches or rides! Even to say cutting out supposedly free trade! We can't offer anything before we can take care of ourselves!
 
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Probably not to a degree that would be any worse than a comparable volume of car or truck traffic passing through the same region on highway. Trains could also pass through it at a much higher rate of speed with fewer overall emissions of pollutants, which further minimizes the impact. In particularly sensitive areas perhaps special types of tracks could be built to protect wildlife. All these problems can be overcome. Replacing caravan after caravan of cargo trucks with relatively less-polluting trains could persuade many environmentalists to sign-on.

Will train travel catch on with the average consumer? That's debateable. The business traveler who has to leave NY and be in LA before the meeting the next morning won't be inclined to take the train. The college students, the tourists, the holiday traveler, and others who don't necessarily have to be there the same day, may opt for the slower (and hopefully cheaper) train. I think where passenger travel by train could REALLY catch on is in the realm of commuter-rail travel.

I live in Colorado Springs and a couple times a year I need to go to Denver International Airport, a mere 85 miles. Driving there is fine in the summer, takes about an hour and a half or so depending on traffic. Driving there in winter time (like Christmas) can be a hair-raising experience. Getting there in a timely fashion (or at all) in winter depends on: whether the freeway over Monument Hill has been plowed, how many cars are in the ditch attended by state patrol causing rubber-necking slow downs, and how fast I can drive before my "all-weather" tires start to wobble like a top about to fall over. I only dare such a trip because I have no other choice.

I'd love to be able to go to the train depot in downtown Colorado Springs, hop on the high-speed rail to DIA, and just relax the whole way. Traveling in a warm quiet cabin, able to browse online, maybe have a nice latte while still getting there in half the time.

i couldn´t say it better. :)

I prefer the train over my car. After a long day its just more comfortable to sit in the ICE, rushing silent through the land, eat delicious food and be able to sleep.
 
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Do you have already a post oil plan?

Americans will not admit to themselves that oil will ever run out. Or, if they do admit that oil will run out, they think that the free market will efficiently and automatically ensure a smooth transition to other methods of producing power, without any need for the government to push research and the transition in that direction.
 
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Americans will not admit to themselves that oil will ever run out. Or, if they do admit that oil will run out, they think that the free market will efficiently and automatically ensure a smooth transition to other methods of producing power, without any need for the government to push research and the transition in that direction.
Ya'know it takes oil to make electricity to run all these car chargers and electric trains? We can't buy solar that subsidizes power plants if we have no industry to support ourselves. China owns us as far as company's and labor goes! We have sold out our fellow countrymen for the old mighty dollar. We have bitten our nose off despite our face....Don't ya'think? We have no industry left, we're all sold out!

Seriously we have the technology to rebuild ourselves, but not globally! If we closed off global trade and rebuilt from within. For we have the natural resources and ingenuity to compete globally, but not at our expense anymore! What is made in America stays in America, even if that doesn't self benefit you personally, plainly could financially limit or hurt you!
 
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Ya'know it takes oil to make electricity to run all these car chargers and electric trains? We can't buy solar that subsidizes power plants if we have no industry to support ourselves. China owns us as far as company's and labor go! We have sold out our fellow countrymen for the old mighty dollar. We have bitten our nose off despite our face....Don't ya'think? We have no industry left, we're all sold out!

In germany we use no oil to create electricity. We use coal, nuclear power and large amounts of wind and solar energy.
 
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In germany we use no oil to create electricity. We use coal, nuclear power and large amounts of wind and solar energy.
I know....we have the technology. Coal is are biggest resource here and we can turn it into oil. cheaper than buying it from the rest of the world, but OPEC drops their price. Making it not cost effective. The last time we said we are going to do it, we where manipulated by pricing. We need to do this even if it isn't cost effective! SELF RELIANT get my drift?
 
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Well, I've got my back up plan for when the oil runs out. My husband's not a fan, but it's a last resort thing. We'll build a cabin on the old family homestead in the hills of Appalachia and go the way of my great-grandparents who were mostly farmers. I'll buy a horse and a mule and a still and chickens. I'll get into the respected activities of my venerable departed relatives, dabbling a little in corrupt county government, bootlegging, cattle stealing, growing marijuana on other people's property, and shooting the tires off coal trucks that cut me off. I'll be mostly off the grid. It'll be a rough life, but at least I'll feel this connection with history.
 
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Well, I've got my back up plan for when the oil runs out. My husband's not a fan, but it's a last resort thing. We'll build a cabin on the old family homestead in the hills of Appalachia and go the way of my great-grandparents who were mostly farmers. I'll buy a horse and a mule and a still and chickens. I'll get into the respected activities of my venerable departed relatives, dabbling a little in corrupt county government, bootlegging, cattle stealing, growing marijuana on other people's property, and shooting the tires off coal trucks that cut me off. I'll be mostly off the grid. It'll be a rough life, but at least I'll feel this connection with history.
Na just move to Alaska and wait fur the dust to settle. Especially from them over educated inner city folks!:eek: ^_^

As they wait for the truck drivers to bring them their food and the Gov't to pass out daily rations!
 
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I know....we have the technology. Coal is are biggest resource here and we can turn it into oil. cheaper than buying it from the rest of the world, but OPEC drops their price. Making it not cost effective. The last time we said we are going to do it, we where manipulated by pricing. We need to do this even if it isn't cost effective! SELF RELIANT get my drift?

Actually in researching what it would take to install a high-speed rail network in the US I came across an interesting proposal for trains powered by a nuclear engine. Basically a scaled-down model of the types used in nuclear subs. Admittedly that would be frightening to a lot of people but it would give us another leg-up technologically speaking.
 
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Actually in researching what it would take to install a high-speed rail network in the US I came across an interesting proposal for trains powered by a nuclear engine. Basically a scaled-down model of the types used in nuclear subs. Admittedly that would be frightening to a lot of people but it would give us another leg-up technologically speaking.
Sounds awesome....Ya I've worked in a nuclear plant, there really safe! If you fart in there they know who done it and which direction it's going!^_^
 
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You do realize Germany has collapsed completely and completely rebuilt itself to one of the worlds top economies twice in the last hundred years, right? Doesn't seem like having a strong government impeded them at all.

If you're referring to the first and second world war, you do realize that they had help, right?


Do you have already a post oil plan?

Actually in researching what it would take to install a high-speed rail network in the US I came across an interesting proposal for trains powered by a nuclear engine. Basically a scaled-down model of the types used in nuclear subs. Admittedly that would be frightening to a lot of people but it would give us another leg-up technologically speaking.

Actually, I do have one that would require minimal funding and maximum output: Thorium.
 
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Actually, I do have one that would require minimal funding and maximum output: Thorium.
Interesting you bring up Thorium since Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid helped sponsor a bill that would have approved funding for research and developement of Thorium-based nuclear reactors. Not surprisingly though it died in committee because of Republican near-sightedness. (i.e.: would have ticked off their Big Oil campaign donors.)
 
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Originally Posted by ErikSteinerhttp://www.christianforums.com/t7517631-5/#post56241771
You are wrong, the ICE 3 drives not with 160mph. It drives with around 218mph. And thats just the allowed speed in germany. On testsystems the ICE made already 310mph. You have wide land, you can construct long railways without curves, that means, that the modified ICE could be boosted to almost 400mph. You build up a complete new system. That allows you to avoid bottlenecks.

Your earlier post mentioned high-speed trains so I looked up high speed trains. The source for my post of 160mph is reprinted below

High-speed rail (HSR) is a type of passenger rail transport that operates significantly faster than the normal speed of rail traffic. Specific definitions by the European Union include 200 km/h (120 mph) for upgraded track and 250 km/h (160 mph) or faster for new track
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail


I looked up ICE 3 and found that these trains are only licensed to travel at 205 mph (see reference source below). So even at 205 mph my travel time by train would be almost 22 hours at top speed with no stops. If you took into consideration that there will be stops and that the trains will not be going 205 mph all the way you are looking at around 25- 30 hours travel time. That is still close to 3 times as slow as airplane travel.

The design goal of the ICE 3 (Class 403) was to create a higher-powered, lighter train than its predecessors. This was achieved by distributing its 16 traction motors underneath the whole train. The train is licensed for 330 km/h (205 mph) and has reached 368 km/h (228.68 mph) on trial runs. On regular InterCityExpress services they run at up to 300 km/h (186 mph), the maximum design speed of German high-speed lines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICE_3

For long distances in America your trains do not come close in travel time when compared to airplanes.




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Another thing would be an aircraft carrier. We build the best submarines but we have 0 experiences with aircraft carriers
Our navy operates worldwide and we feel, that it would be better if we have one. The question is, if USA would help us with that?!

We sell military planes to Middle Eastern countries that are not as much of an ally as Germany so why would you think that America would not sell air craft carriers to Germany?




 
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Interesting you bring up Thorium since Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid helped sponsor a bill that would have approved funding for research and developement of Thorium-based nuclear reactors. Not surprisingly though it died in committee because of Republican near-sightedness. (i.e.: would have ticked off their Big Oil campaign donors.)

Interesting you bring up republicans- I have no love for any of the major groups, and that is a perfect example of why.
 
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Your earlier post mentioned high-speed trains so I looked up high speed trains. The source for my post of 160mph is reprinted below

High-speed rail (HSR) is a type of passenger rail transport that operates significantly faster than the normal speed of rail traffic. Specific definitions by the European Union include 200 km/h (120 mph) for upgraded track and 250 km/h (160 mph) or faster for new track
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail


I looked up ICE 3 and found that these trains are only licensed to travel at 205 mph (see reference source below). So even at 205 mph my travel time by train would be almost 22 hours at top speed with no stops. If you took into consideration that there will be stops and that the trains will not be going 205 mph all the way you are looking at around 25- 30 hours travel time. That is still close to 3 times as slow as airplane travel.

The design goal of the ICE 3 (Class 403) was to create a higher-powered, lighter train than its predecessors. This was achieved by distributing its 16 traction motors underneath the whole train. The train is licensed for 330 km/h (205 mph) and has reached 368 km/h (228.68 mph) on trial runs. On regular InterCityExpress services they run at up to 300 km/h (186 mph), the maximum design speed of German high-speed lines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICE_3

For long distances in America your trains do not come close in travel time when compared to airplanes.






We sell military planes to Middle Eastern countries that are not as much of an ally as Germany so why would you think that America would not sell air craft carriers to Germany?





An aircraft carrier ist something different than a normal plane.
 
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To contrast the point, look at the government run programs of welfare, medicaid, social security... Wow. This list could get pretty long...
Yeah, but I thought I'd give those a rest in this thread. I'll continue to attack them unmercifully in a more relevant thread.

Laws can always be changed or overturned given enough political will-power. The reason new expanded rail lines would have to be publicly operated (at least initially) is that the government has eminent domain. That comes with a host of problems but these were the same kind of problems they dealt with when Eisenhower enacted the Federal Aid Highway Act. Most Airports and their dependent structures didn't magically appear without government intervention either. I think we can agree that the highway system and municipal airports have contributed greatly to our success as a nation.
Here's the deal, though - you've got to be big enough to give out the maximum campaign contributions to your representatives and senators, and it helps to be so big, you can buy this sort of influence in multiple districts. And that's a chicken-and-egg problem when the government has regulated a market out of existence, as it has done with passenger rail.

Back when the locomotive was the cutting edge of technology there was a time when America kept-pace with Europe. "Amazingly" the rail system started to fall out of favor after WWII when the "Two cars in every garage" post-war meme started becoming popular. "Conveniently" this was about the time American auto-factories lost their military contracts and stopped making bombers and tanks. And lo-and-behold! American vets returned triumphant and started making babies, moved to the suburbs, and worked in said factories. Its a long story.
And that was a good idea that actually worked - everybody needed a car, and the superhighway made it both cheaper and easier to travel medium to long distances by car. Passenger rail is still a victim of this great success. Should it be? Yes. It's a better idea for a lot of people. Should there be better, faster passenger train corridors? Yes, in some places that want them. But for it to really be the best idea, it should really be not only more convenient, but honestly cheaper - not subsidized off the books by a gas tax or something like that.
 
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But for it to really be the best idea, it should really be not only more convenient, but honestly cheaper - not subsidized off the books by a gas tax or something like that.

Agreed. Are we not running a gasoline subsidy, however?
 
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An aircraft carrier ist something different than a normal plane.


I am not talking about normal planes; have you not read about the American fighter plane sale to Saudi Arabia? (See source cited below)

The F-15 jets are one of the most sophisticated and high-tech fighter planes the world has ever known. If we will sell those planes to a country that is not as good of an ally as Germany then why do you question the sale of air craft carriers?


The Wall Street Journal reports the White House will officially notify Congress in the next two weeks of a $60 billion deal to sell Saudi Arabia dozens of U.S.-made fighter jets and military helicopters.
If it goes ahead, the sale of some 84 new F-15 jets and dozens of helicopter will be the largest U.S. arms deal ever.
The Obama administration is pitching the sale as a major opportunity to create new jobs for the beleaguered American economy. Companies including Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin and General Electric say more than 75,000 jobs could be created to build the new aircraft.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20016181-503543.html
 
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gas and oil is the past. The times of evryone owning a car are over. Thats a fact. If USA does not start changing in that problem, then you face massive problems in the future.


Erik
When you make a profound statement then follow that statement with “That is a fact”, that just screams for a source. Do you have a credible source? If you do please share it with us.
 
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