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gas and oil is the past. The times of everyone owning a car are over. That's a fact. If USA does not start changing in that problem, then you face massive problems in the future.
Erik
When you make a profound statement then follow that statement with That is a fact, that just screams for a source. Do you have a credible source? If you do please share it with us.
It's one thing to say that they're finite resources. It's another to say that the automobile is going to die or soon be marginalized.
Your earlier post mentioned high-speed trains so I looked up high speed trains. The source for my post of 160mph is reprinted below
High-speed rail (HSR) is a type of passenger rail transport that operates significantly faster than the normal speed of rail traffic. Specific definitions by the European Union include 200 km/h (120 mph) for upgraded track and 250 km/h (160 mph) or faster for new track
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail
I looked up ICE 3 and found that these trains are only licensed to travel at 205 mph (see reference source below). So even at 205 mph my travel time by train would be almost 22 hours at top speed with no stops. If you took into consideration that there will be stops and that the trains will not be going 205 mph all the way you are looking at around 25- 30 hours travel time. That is still close to 3 times as slow as airplane travel.
The design goal of the ICE 3 (Class 403) was to create a higher-powered, lighter train than its predecessors. This was achieved by distributing its 16 traction motors underneath the whole train. The train is licensed for 330 km/h (205 mph) and has reached 368 km/h (228.68 mph) on trial runs. On regular InterCityExpress services they run at up to 300 km/h (186 mph), the maximum design speed of German high-speed lines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICE_3
For long distances in America your trains do not come close in travel time when compared to airplanes.
gas and oil is the past.
The times of evryone owning a car are over. Thats a fact. If USA does not start changing in that problem, then you face massive problems in the future.
Extremely premature? You don't want to wait to develop alternatives until the current setup is a fiscal liability - you want to have those alternatives developed before it's a problem, to keep the transition smooth.Rapidly becoming a thing of the past, yes. Not yet the past. There are still no higher yield energy sources that do not require comparatively more energy to create. Thus the push to get off of oil based fuels is extremely premature.
Right, and we have until about then to get good cars which use an alternate type of fuel.Agreed.
The petroleum based automobile will, in thirty years' time, be the province of only the super-rich.
I regard 30 years as "soon".
No, I do not have documentation to back this up.
Let us agree to meet in 2040 and see if'n I'm anywheres near right.
Extremely premature? You don't want to wait to develop alternatives until the current setup is a fiscal liability - you want to have those alternatives developed before it's a problem, to keep the transition smooth.
USA want build a highspeed train system and it looks like we got the contract.. Thats a billion $ contract. German corporations like Siemens, Krupp and the Deutsche Bahn will build up the entire railway system including several ICE trains. The ICE will be modified for our US customer.
It will be a modified version of our ICE 3 system.
Thats good news. Both of us will profit.
We earn a good contract and you guys get the best product you can get.
DM, read it again.
The push to get off of oil based fuels is extremely premature. I said nothing about pushing to develop alternative fuels. You cannot very well stop using something that does work for something that might not- Or won't.
There currently is no comprehensive push to get most of the country off of oil-based fuels, because there is nowhere to go, and everyone knows it. The current push is to develop long-term, comprehensive energy alternatives, and shifting over to alternatives what energy sources we can is merely a stalling tactic toward that end.
Reply by AR Cosc
If I was travelling from London to Athens, I would fly, but if I was travelling from London to Paris, I would more than likely take the train. Just because you would be better off flying on your very long trip is no reason to write off the entire concept of long-distance high speed trains.
As I said, thorium could solve all of this. Too bad there aren't enough gutsy people to push it through.
Potato, potato - I think we're fundamentally in agreement here, so I won't press the point.However, I do want to point out that while the "push" away from oil is not out there and in your face, it is taking place. Why do you think the government has demanded that all gasoline carry a minimum percentage of ethanol? Mind you, this move was done without consent from the American people, or even a question in their minds as to what we, the drivers, wanted.
Absolutely not.I am all for getting off of oil. I would like nothing more than to watch OPEC crash and burn as their number one customer stops entirely. However, the change over must be done intelligently; and ethanol? Not an intelligent move, even as an example.
you can regulate that with taxes.
OR when collapsing oil supplies drive the cost of driving interstate up to hundreds of dollars. One way or another its gonna happen.
The difference being one does it artificially and immediately whereas the other allows time for workable alternative technology to be developed and deployed.
Except by the time the markets realise oil has crashed, it'll be too late to develop the new technologies in time to avoid a massive economic disaster, not to mention the environmental consequences.
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