George W. Bush: Bigotry and white supremacy are 'blasphemy' against the American creed

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Bigotry and any kind of racial supremacy are indeed contrary to what the US is supposed to stand for.

Perhaps you can say this. But Republican party has been running racist Southern Strategy for a half century now and half the country support them. So in reality racism and racial supremacy is what USA stand for to many American citizen.
 
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Haha. This from man who so stupid he think putting solar panel on remote wall is great idea. Think Mr. Trump need to look in mirror if he want to see someone like he describe.
 
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Perhaps you can say this. But Republican party has been running racist Southern Strategy for a half century now and half the country support them. So in reality racism and racial supremacy is what USA stand for to many American citizen.

Not if those citizens are even remotely objective and rational.
 
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2017: one big game of who can Virtue Signal harder. Harder, I say, and more publicly. And quick, before the New Puritans rush to shame you!
2017: The rise of apologism for racial terrorism because they're party of your voter base so you refuse to condemn the hatred you inflame. The cult that devotes themselves to such a leader dutifully ignores racial terrorism and advocates for it as just another view.
 
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What I find dishonest is Bush claiming that a policy is bigoted or supremacist just because it is not what he prefers.

...depends on which policy he's referring to.

If he's referring to anti-immigration policies that have been proposed by Trump, then he's not claiming the policy is bigoted simply because it's not what he prefers...it's the other way around...he doesn't prefer it, precisely because it is bigoted.

What I find funny is when some of the same people that were comparing Bush to Hitler and calling for him to be impeached, saying he was a puppet of Chaney and vested interests, a cowboy with little intellectual ability etc. just a few years ago now quoting him as if they considered him to be some kind of wise moral authority.

Well, you have mainly the far-left democrats to attribute for that flip-flop. It was largely them claiming that he was just a redneck buffoon with an IQ of 80...

...but that's nothing surprising. Both sides of the political spectrum engage in these kinds of enemy-of-my-enemy politics these days.
 
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According to some posters, blacks, etc. cannot be racist.

I have heard some people make that assertion, and there are certainly people ignorant enough to believe that statement at face value. However. when some people espouse those ideas, context is everything. (and perhaps it's their fault for not explaining themselves correctly).

When I challenge them on that assertion, and demanding that they quantify their statements, I find what they're actually referring to is the systemic effects of racism with regard to disproportionately negative effects as a result of the racism.

To elaborate, there's no doubt that there are some whites who hate black people, and vice versa.

However, whites aren't very likely to suffer as a result of a black person hating them simply for being white. However, the same isn't necessarily true when it's going in the other direction.

For example, I've never heard of a white person being denied an apartment lease because the landlord was black and "wanted to keep a certain element out of the community". I've never heard of a white person being harassed by cops for "not being in the right neighborhood". You've never heard of "black flight" where a white person moves into a black neighborhood, and all of the well-to-do black folks in that neighborhood, fold up shop and move their residence and businesses somewhere else to get away from the "white element". (As the old Chris Rock joke goes "here comes the neighborhood") However, White Flight was most definitely something that occurred. You didn't hear of black leaders in the 50's & 60's purposely raising property taxes on white families just so they would lose their homes, and then turn around and sell the properties other black families for cheap, and then drop the property taxes back down once all of "those people" were gone.

So long story short (I know, a bit late for that after my ramblings above), when some people are saying things like that, what they actually mean is that whites hating blacks is more likely to have a real negative impact on the black community as where blacks hating whites is unlikely to have any systemic impact on us at all.
 
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Perhaps you can say this. But Republican party has been running racist Southern Strategy for a half century now and half the country support them. So in reality racism and racial supremacy is what USA stand for to many American citizen.
The South is no more racist than any other part of the country these days.
 
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The South is no more racist than any other part of the country these days.
I am sorry Tallguy88 I was not saying it was. But that is name of strategy when I do research:

Southern strategy - Wikipedia
"In American politics, the southern strategy was a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans."

And I never hear Republicans complain about racist strategy party is using to win elections so only assumption is that racist strategy is good if it win elections.
 
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2017: one big game of who can Virtue Signal harder. Harder, I say, and more publicly. And quick, before the New Puritans rush to shame you!

What Trump has shown is that if you refuse to let them shame you, they have no plan B...

Yonny Costopoulis said:
And I never hear Republicans complain about racist strategy party is using to win elections so only assumption is that racist strategy is good if it win elections.

How do you argue with success?
 
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2017: one big game of who can Virtue Signal harder. Harder, I say, and more publicly. And quick, before the New Puritans rush to shame you!
So now defending Nazis and KKK is OK?

I am sorry but I think these morals are very poor.
 
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What Trump has shown is that if you refuse to let them shame you, they have no plan B...



How do you argue with success?
Yes. Trump has been very shameful and actually defended Nazis and KKK. And you are correct he feels no shame even for such a disgusting act. And you are also correct no matter how disgusting Trump behaves his base loves him.

So if no matter how disgusting and immoral a leader behaves his base still supports him what other plan is there? To go along with disgusting person's base and support this behavior? No thank you, my morals will not permit this.
 
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The South is no more racist than any other part of the country these days.

I have to disagree with you on that, having been born & bred in the South. Now, it does depend a lot on where in the South you live. We live in Atlanta now, it's a stark difference from the little peanut farming town I'd lived in when I was younger. I grew up hearing the n word routinely, hearing about that black man in the White House, etc.
 
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Well, you have mainly the far-left democrats to attribute for that flip-flop.
lol "far-left democrats"

Nobody on the far left is citing George Bush as a "wise moral authority." You're thinking of liberals. Most leftists have been wondering why liberals shower conservatives with praise just for saying the obvious or doing the bare minimum once in their lives.
 
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Yes. Trump has been very shameful and actually defended Nazis and KKK. And you are correct he feels no shame even for such a disgusting act. And you are also correct no matter how disgusting Trump behaves his base loves him.

Trump and his supporters aren't trying to win your approval. The most shrill voices against Trump are those from the press and the entertainment industry... and the saddest thing about them is that they honestly expect that they can even talk about morals without being laughed at. Yes, Harvey Weinstein cut out a big fat check for Hillary Clinton's campaign because Trump was so offensive to his morals...

So if no matter how disgusting and immoral a leader behaves his base still supports him what other plan is there? To go along with disgusting person's base and support this behavior? No thank you, my morals will not permit this.

Address the issues he raises with something with some semblance of a rational argument? Just a thought. Or continue with the self-righteous howls of moral outrage and see how well that works.

Remember that this was a President who would have been happy to issue another mass amnesty, and it was only congressional opposition within his own party that stopped him. It was the GOP's marginalization of Pat Buchanan in the 90's that made his ascendancy possible. Until it was time for someone else to come along...
 
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Trump and his supporters aren't trying to win your approval. The most shrill voices against Trump are those from the press and the entertainment industry... and the saddest thing about them is that they honestly expect that they can even talk about morals without being laughed at. Yes, Harvey Weinstein cut out a big fat check for Hillary Clinton's campaign because Trump was so offensive to his morals...
Nice use of deflection technique. Weinstein has nothing to do with Trump shameful behavior. Although they are similar in many ways.

Trump brags about his perverted Peeping Tom acts on naked women in beauty pageants. Trump brags about sexually assaulting women by grabbing their genitals. Of course there are many other incidents such as women coming forward and saying Trump was doing his perverted Peeping Tom act on naked children.

Donald Trump Walked in on Half-Dressed Teen Girls
Teen Beauty Queens Say Trump Walked In On Them Changing
Former teen beauty queens: Trump barged in on us changing
Donald Trump boasted about meeting semi-naked teenagers in beauty pageant


Isn't there term for people who do this sort of thing with children?
 
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