George Floyd: More to the story.

[Aldebaran]

Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.

“What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter.
What the Media Won’t Tell You: George Floyd Had ‘Violent Criminal History’ | Matzav.com


The 20-page report also indicates that Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of his death, although the drugs are not listed as the cause. Medical Examiner's Autopsy Reveals George Floyd Had Positive Test For Coronavirus

It would seem that the man who the Press refers to as a "gentle giant" and a virtual pillar of the community, it's also time for those who are only willing to focus on the cop's history of people filing complaints about him, it's only fair and equal to show the rest of the story.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Which indiscretion of George Floyd’s made him deserve the death penalty without a trial by a jury of his peers?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.

“What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter.
What the Media Won’t Tell You: George Floyd Had ‘Violent Criminal History’ | Matzav.com

It would seem that the man who the Press refers to as a "gentle giant" and a virtual pillar of the community, it's also time for those who are only willing to focus on the cop's history of people filing complaints about him, it's only fair and equal to show the rest of the story.

Cool. A crime from 11 (or wait, 13) years ago.

Contrary to your headline, this isn't "more to the story". It's irrelevant obfuscation. It's a smokescreen to try to shield the cops from blame for their abuse.

Congratulations, you've just acted as an apologist for a violent, authoritarian police state that murders people. How's that jive with all of your posts about constitutional rights?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Well then I guess that settles that. Guy deserved to be choked out on the sidewalk because he went to jail 11 years ago. Apparently redemption and forgiveness aren’t concepts to be found on a Christian forum.

 

[Hank77]

Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.

“What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter.
What the Media Won’t Tell You: George Floyd Had ‘Violent Criminal History’ | Matzav.com

It would seem that the man who the Press refers to as a "gentle giant" and a virtual pillar of the community, it's also time for those who are only willing to focus on the cop's history of people filing complaints about him, it's only fair and equal to show the rest of the story.

Why is it that in a criminal trial the past history of the defendant is not allowed to be heard by the jury?

 

[lasthero]

“What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter.

I've known this for a while. Read it on NPR. So that's not true.

The reason it's not brought up much is because it's irrelevant. It wouldn't matter if George Floyd was the nations #1 criminal. He was cuffed. He was not a threat at that moment. There's no indication that the officer knew his history, and even if he did, it still wouldn't have made it okay for him to do what he did in the way he did it, which is what people are up in arms about.

It's a smear tactic.

 

[lasthero]

And what is with guys like you bringing up criminal pasts like this? Isn't Christianity supposed to be the religion of forgiveness? A man can't change, become better, want to leave that life behind? He does some messed up things in his past, and he has to be judged by them for his entire life?

 

[Aldebaran]

Which indiscretion of George Floyd’s made him deserve the death penalty without a trial by a jury of his peers?

Nobody made that assertion.

 

[PloverWing]

Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.

None of these are crimes that merit the death penalty in the US, and none of these crimes were in progress on the day that the police confronted Mr. Floyd. The police should not kill someone on the street merely because that person has a crime in their past.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Nobody made that assertion.

You don't have to assert it outright. We all know what you're trying to imply with you're OP - that Floyd was somehow more deserving of the violence brought upon him than was previously thought. That the cops were somehow more justified in their actions.

And if that's not what you're trying to imply by being "only fair and equal", then what exactly are you trying to imply?

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Nobody made that assertion.

What was the point of your post then? Nothing you stated changes the facts. To me it looks like you decided to smear George Floyd to curry sympathy for the cops that murdered and watched him be murdered by saying that George Floyd has done some bad stuff so maybe just maybe George Floyd kind of deserved this.

 

[Aldebaran]

Cool. A crime from 11 (or wait, 13) years ago.

Contrary to your headline, this isn't "more to the story". It's irrelevant obfuscation. It's a smokescreen to try to shield the cops from blame for their abuse.

Congratulations, you've just acted as an apologist for a violent, authoritarian police state that murders people. How's that jive with all of your posts about constitutional rights?

The drugs in his system could very well have caused him to become combative with the police, which would logically lead to him being restrained. But since only edited videos are being released (the ones in favor loyd), we're not being allowed to see that side of it.

 

[agapelove]

Nobody made that assertion.

You implied it.

 

[Aldebaran]

You don't have to assert it outright. We all know what you're trying to imply with you're OP - that Floyd was somehow more deserving of the violence brought upon him than was previously thought. That the cops were somehow more justified in their actions.

And if that's not what you're trying to imply by being "only fair and equal", then what exactly are you trying to imply?

Fairness and equality, which is something we should all strive for, it important to consider if you want an accurate story.
Being restrained in an appropriate way by the cops may well have been warranted. But if you're only going to listen to the narrative that says, "George good, cops bad", then you aren't respecting the fair and equal part of the matter.

 

[Velaut]

So irrelevant. The fact that you bring this to focus and even think it is relevant, is telling. Which side you are on.

 

[Aldebaran]

What was the point of your post then? Nothing you stated changes the facts. To me it looks like you decided to smear George Floyd to curry sympathy for the cops that murdered and watched him be murdered by saying that George Floyd has done some bad stuff so maybe just maybe George Floyd kind of deserved this.

It's not a "smear" if it's accurate, just as reporting how many complaints for excessive reports were filed against the cops isn't a smear if it's accurate. Either one is only labeled as a smear by those who don't want to hear the accurate facts.

 

[Aldebaran]

So irrelevant. The fact that you bring this to focus and even think it is relevant, is telling. Which side you are on.

Justice and peace. The opposite of what the rioters write on their signs.

 

[Aldebaran]

And what is with guys like you bringing up criminal pasts like this? Isn't Christianity supposed to be the religion of forgiveness? A man can't change, become better, want to leave that life behind? He does some messed up things in his past, and he has to be judged by them for his entire life?

Not all of it was in the past:
The 20-page report also indicates that Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of his death, although the drugs are not listed as the cause. Medical Examiner's Autopsy Reveals George Floyd Had Positive Test For Coronavirus

 

[lasthero]

The drugs in his system could very well have caused him to become combative with the police, which would logically lead to him being restrained.

But not to him being killed in the middle of the street, which is the crux of the issue.

You can't tell me five officers couldn't subdue one handcuffed man without crushing his neck.

 

[adrianmonk]

The drugs in his system could very well have caused him to become combative with the police, which would logically lead to him being restrained. But since only edited videos are being released (the ones in favor loyd), we're not being allowed to see that side of it.

Once he was handcuffed, the neck restraint was no longer needed. Once he became unresponsive, the neck restraint was no longer needed. Once he started turning blue from asphyxiation, the neck restraint was no longer needed.

Looks like there is a longer video. Taken from officer's body cam, bystanders dash cam, and security cameras.

Be warned, it's difficult to watch.