Geocentric Early Church Writer Quotes

[Der Alte]

Please prove that what you claim to be a contracted form is actually what you claim it to be and not rather blasphemy or sacrilege. Prove by the scriptures that those who penned the scriptures would indeed contract or shorten the Tetragrammaton name of the Most High in their writings.

But of course that would take this thread off topic and I know it isn't going to happen anyway.
Have a great day.

Read previous post which you replied to I cited my source,

 

[daq]

Read previous post which you replied to I cited my source,

I did read that post and still remember what it said, however, in the post you have just now quoted, I asked for evidence/proof from the scripture for your assertion, not from the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.

Moreover Psalm 68:18 contains an anthropomorphism because the Most High does not descend and ascend the heavens: there is one who descends and ascends the heavens, the Son of Man, (Jhn 3:13), and yet Psa 68:18 contains the name Yah Elohim, and as I stated when I mentioned that passage, Paul quotes from it and applies the statement in that passage to the Son.

As for the Father, the heavens and the heaven of the heavens cannot contain Him, (Dt 10:14, 1Kngs 8:27, 2Chr 2:6, 2Chr 6:18), if you could ascend into the heavens, He is there: if you could go down to Sheol, He is there, (Psa 139:8).

This is more scripture evidence that disagrees with your assertion while you have yet to offer any actual scriptural support for your assertion. And from the passages quoted above herein, both king David and his son, king Solomon, appear to strongly disagree with your apparent anthropomorphic view of the Most High. How else can I take it? our views are revealed in the stances and positions we take regarding the scriptures.

Some folks are not familiar with Hebrew rules of grammar

...the original pronunciation must have been Yahweh (

) or Yahaweh (

). From this the contracted form Jah or Yah (

) is most readily explained, and also the forms Jeho or Yeho (

=

), and Jo or Yo (

, contracted from

), which the word assumes in combination in the first part of compound proper names, and Yahu or Yah (

) in the second part of such names.​

NAMES OF GOD - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Complete contents the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.

www.jewishencyclopedia.com

 

[Der Alte]

I did read that post and still remember what it said, however, in the post you have just now quoted, I asked for evidence/proof from the scripture for your assertion, not from the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.

Moreover Psalm 68:18 contains an anthropomorphism because the Most High does not descend and ascend the heavens: there is one who descends and ascends the heavens, the Son of Man, (Jhn 3:13), and yet Psa 68:18 contains the name Yah Elohim, and as I stated when I mentioned that passage, Paul quotes from it and applies the statement in that passage to the Son.

As for the Father, the heavens and the heaven of the heavens cannot contain Him, (Dt 10:14, 1Kngs 8:27, 2Chr 2:6, 2Chr 6:18), if you could ascend into the heavens, He is there: if you could go down to Sheol, He is there, (Psa 139:8).

This is more scripture evidence that disagrees with your assertion while you have yet to offer any actual scriptural support for your assertion. And from the passages quoted above herein, both king David and his son, king Solomon, appear to strongly disagree with your apparent anthropomorphic view of the Most High. How else can I take it? our views are revealed in the stances and positions we take regarding the scriptures.

Sorry amigo I don't have an anthropomorphic view of the most High. Nothing I have said could be so construed. I was discussing the name of God. You make reference to various scripture without quoting them in context. I will defer to the numerous Hebrew speaking scholars and hundreds of years of Hebrew scholarship cited in the source I quoted vice the amateur albeit sincere opinions expressed here.

 

[daq]

Sorry amigo I don't have an anthropomorphic view of the most High. Nothing I have said could be so construed. I was discussing the name of God. You make reference to various scripture without quoting them in context. I will defer to the numerous Hebrew speaking scholars and hundreds of years of Hebrew scholarship cited in the source I quoted vice the amateur albeit sincere opinions expressed here.

Sorry for your luck, Logos is required.

Ephesians 4:7-15 KJV
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. [Psa 68:18]
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Psalms 68:18 TS2009
18 You have ascended on high, You have led captivity captive, You have received [brought] gifts among men, And even the rebellious, That Yah Elohim might dwell there [therein].

Not to even mention the other extremely important passage that was mentioned in my first response to you earlier in this thread, (this one was the much simpler and easier one to understand and believe: no comprende amigo? no mas).

 

[Apple Sky]

@Jude1:3Contendforthefaith I found this quote quite interesting as Enoch quotes the near same.

• John Damascene: For it is night when the sun is under the earth, and the duration of night is the course of the sun under the earth from its rising till it's setting. (The Orthodox Faith, Bk 2, Ch 7)

I've always thought the sun travels through the North gate (which is under the earth) to rise in the east.

King James Bible
And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

 

[trophy33]

@Jude1:3Contendforthefaith I found this quote quite interesting as Enoch quotes the near same.

• John Damascene: For it is night when the sun is under the earth, and the duration of night is the course of the sun under the earth from its rising till it's setting. (The Orthodox Faith, Bk 2, Ch 7)

I've always thought the sun travels through the North gate (which is under the earth) to rise in the east.

King James Bible
And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

He was kind of right. From his point of view, the Sun was "under the earth" during his nights - above Australia, Asia or such. And when he experienced a day, the Sun was "under the earth" for Australians or Japanese.

Its not caused by the Sun physically travelling in such way but by the planetary rotation, but optically, he was not far away from the truth, he just described his perceived experience of the sun going down and rising up on the opposite sides of the horizon.

 

[Apple Sky]

He was kind of right. From his point of view, the Sun was "under the earth" during his nights - above Australia, Asia or such. And when he experienced a day, the Sun was "under the earth" for Australians or Japanese.

Its not caused by the Sun physically travelling in such way but by the planetary rotation, but optically, he was not far away from the truth, he just described his perceived experience of the sun going down and rising up on the opposite sides of the horizon.

The sun never sets it just carries on day after day & night after night, never ending no beginning.

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[Apple Sky]

75 Bible Verses Prove a Flat Earth

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[trophy33]

The sun never sets it just carries on day after day & night after night, never ending no beginning.

Yes, in real life, the sun never sets, its a huge star we orbit. But optically, from a human point of view, it sets and rises on the horizon as our planet rotates.

Its such an elementary knowledge that we do not need to mention it every time, everybody knows that the sunsets and the sunrises are just from our point of view.

I am pretty sure your video will be some kind of nonsense, so I am not clicking on it.

 

[Apple Sky]

I am pretty sure your video will be some kind of nonsense, so I am not clicking on it.

It's only nonsense if you don't believe the Bible.

 

[Jipsah]

Things to consider when reading the Fathers regarding the earth and sun:


1) The Fathers never say the earth moves, except at the end of time.

2) The Fathers always say the earth is at rest at the center of the universe.

3) The Fathers never say the sun is the center of the universe.

4) The Fathers never say the sun does not move around the earth, even in their scientific analysis of the cosmos.

5) The Fathers always say the earth is the center of the universe.

6) The Fathers always say the sun moves as the moon moves.

7) The Fathers recognize that some of the Greeks held that the earth moves and rotates, but they do not accept that teaching.

8) The Fathers accept the Chaldean, Egyptian and Greek teaching that the earth is at the center of the universe and does not move.

9) The Fathers hold that the earth was created first, by itself, and only afterward the sun, moon and stars.

10) The Fathers hold that light was created after the earth, but that this light preceded the light of the sun and stars.

That's nice. Flat earth is. Rubbish

 

[Strong in Him]

It's only nonsense if you don't believe the Bible.

Everyone here believes the Bible; just not your interpretation of it.

The Bible does not teach that the earth is a flat disc - never mind a flat disc that is 40,000 feet deep.
The Bible does not teach that there are walls of ice around Antarctica.

 

[trophy33]

It's only nonsense if you don't believe the Bible.

Bible has no mandate to teach science. Neither does the church nor the church fathers.

 

[Apple Sky]

@8:34 listen to what William shatner says about space.

NASA "Astronaut" Donald Pettit Mocks His Audience & Makes Reference The Flat Earth Dome Firmament

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[Apple Sky]

Bible has no mandate to teach science. Neither does the church nor the church fathers.

So why does the Bible mention the earth so much, maybe God is trying to tell us something, I wonder, what could it be ?

 

[trophy33]

So why does the Bible mention the earth so much, maybe God is trying to tell us something, I wonder, what could it be ?

Its not "so much", its simply one of the things we commonly experience and so the biblical authors mentioned it in various contexts. But the authors were not supernaturally inspired regarding cosmology. We know that, because we can test it. Try to use GPS and you will see that it works. It works because we figured out how our planet and gravity and orbits work.

 

[Apple Sky]

@trophy33 So your still disputing what the Bible tells us ? According to you we can't believe anything the Bible has to say.

 

[trophy33]

@trophy33 So your still disputing what the Bible tells us ? According to you we can't believe anything the Bible has to say.

I did not say "we cannot believe anything the Bible has to say". I said "Bible has no mandate to teach science".

The Biblical mandate is to teach us theology and morality. And the mandate of the church is to preach Christ.

 

[Apple Sky]

I did not say "we cannot believe anything the Bible has to say". I said "Bible has no mandate to teach science".

The Biblical mandate is to teach us theology and morality. And the mandate of the church is to preach Christ.

So in other words the OT is not to be believed ?

 

[Strong in Him]

So why does the Bible mention the earth so much, maybe God is trying to tell us something, I wonder, what could it be ?

That's ridiculous.
The bible "mentions" people and the Bible "mentions" fools. Oh, I wonder what the Bible is trying to tell us?

You really need to read it, in context and with understanding and not just claim that something is so because the Bible mentions a word.