Geocentric Early Church Writer Quotes

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I respct their views on astronomy as much as I do their views on neurosurgery.

I take that to imply that you do not plan to have them performing your next brain transplant.

 

[Jipsah]

I take that to imply that you do not plan to have them performing your next brain transplant.

I was going to do it myself. How hard can it be?

 

[daq]

Some folks are not familiar with Hebrew rules of grammar

...the original pronunciation must have been Yahweh (

) or Yahaweh (

). From this the contracted form Jah or Yah (

) is most readily explained, and also the forms Jeho or Yeho (

=

), and Jo or Yo (

, contracted from

), which the word assumes in combination in the first part of compound proper names, and Yahu or Yah (

) in the second part of such names.​

NAMES OF GOD - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Complete contents the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.

www.jewishencyclopedia.com

Paul proves that there is no contracted form in Rom 14:11 where he quotes the OG LXX version of Isa 45:23-24a. He proves it again where he quotes Psa 68:18 in Eph 4:8, (both of these quotes, of course, according to their surrounding contexts).

Hallelu [in] Yah, (to the glory of the Father, YHWH).

 

[bbbbbbb]

I was going to do it myself. How hard can it be?

Easy peasy. Just go online and get the YouTube video and you are good to go.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

These are Littoral Quotes from Literal Ancient Early Church Writers.

No YouTube video is needed, but hopefully someone will make a Youtube video about it.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Geocentric Quote from a Christian Reformer Martin Luther :

“There is talk of a new astrologer [Nicolaus Copernicus] who wants to prove that the earth moves and goes around instead of the sky, the sun, the moon, just as if somebody were moving in a carriage or ship might hold that he was sitting still and at rest while the earth and the trees walked and moved. But that is how things are nowadays: when a man wishes to be clever he must . . . invent something special, and the way he does it must needs be the best! The fool wants to turn the whole art of astronomy upside-down. However, as Holy Scripture tells us, so did Joshua bid The Sun To Stand Still And Not The Earth.'​

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― Martin Luther​

(1483-1546 A.D.)

[Martin Luther stating his objection to Heliocentrism due to his Scripture's Geocentrism]”​

 

[Jipsah]

So? Flat earth is rubbish no matter who believes it.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Two Geocentric Quotes from another Christian Reformer John Calvin :

“[They] pervert the course of nature [by saying] The Sun does not move and that it is the earth that revolves and that it turns."​

And

“We indeed are not ignorant, that the circuit of the heavens is finite, and that the earth, like a little globe, is placed in the centre.”


- John Calvin (1509-1564 A.D.)

 

[bbbbbbb]

Two Geocentric Quotes from another Christian Reformer John Calvin :

“[They] pervert the course of nature [by saying] The Sun does not move and that it is the earth that revolves and that it turns."​

And

“We indeed are not ignorant, that the circuit of the heavens is finite, and that the earth, like a little globe, is placed in the centre.”


- John Calvin (1509-1564 A.D.)

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So?

 

[jas3]

Do you have a bishop? In other words have you done away with your episcopal oversight?

I'm curious to hear OP's answer to this question. If the Church Fathers are authoritative on geocentrism in the OP's view, then surely they're authoritative on ecclesiology.

The sun is at the centre of the universe

No, it's approximately at the center of the solar system. The "center of the universe" is not a well-defined concept in modern astronomy anyway.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

No, it's approximately at the center of the solar system. The "center of the universe" is not a well-defined concept in modern astronomy anyway.

• Athanasius:
"But The Earth is not supported upon itself, but is set upon the realm of the waters, while this again is kept in its place, being bound fast At The Center Of The Universe."
(Against the Heathen, Book I, Part I)

• Basil:
"There are inquirers into nature who with a great display of words give reasons for the immobility of the earth…It is not, they go on, without reason or by chance that The Earth Occupies The Center Of TheUniverse…"

• Basil:
"In the midst of the covering and veil, where the priests were allowed to enter, was situated the altar of incense, The Symbol Of The Earth Placed In The Middle Of This Universe"

 

[Apple Sky]

The Early church fathers did not comment on DNA, heart transplants, organ donation, IVF, cars, men on the moon or computers - to name but a few.
Why not? They didn't know that such things would even exist.

Oh I don't know, I reckon the early church fathers knew a lot more than we gave them credit for, take this for instance;


Fragment of the Antikythera mechanism, a mechanical computer from the 2nd century BCE showing a previously unknown level of complexity.

And the cities they built were next to none;

Photo : Jürgen Schwenkenbecher/picture-alliance/dpa/AP Images
Dubbed the Rose City, Petra was carved from native pink sandstone in the Jordanian desert, where it began to prosper as the capital of the Nabataean Empire in the first century BCE through the trade of frankincense, myrrh, and spices.


ziggurat at Ur Ziggurat at Ur (modern Tall al-Muqayyar, Iraq).

Didn't God say 'There is nothing new under the sun' & in the end days it will be just like in the days of Noah's.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Oh I don't know, I reckon the early church fathers knew a lot more than we gave them credit for, take this for instance;


Fragment of the Antikythera mechanism, a mechanical computer from the 2nd century BCE showing a previously unknown level of complexity.

And the cities they built were next to none;

Photo : Jürgen Schwenkenbecher/picture-alliance/dpa/AP Images
Dubbed the Rose City, Petra was carved from native pink sandstone in the Jordanian desert, where it began to prosper as the capital of the Nabataean Empire in the first century BCE through the trade of frankincense, myrrh, and spices.


ziggurat at Ur Ziggurat at Ur (modern Tall al-Muqayyar, Iraq).

Didn't God say 'There is nothing new under the sun' & in the end days it will be just like in the days of Noah's.

I'm also convinced that the great pyramid was built Before the flood by The Nephilim and have something to do with why God flooded the whole earth :

You can see water erosion towards the top :

Here's a thread about The Book of Enoch with Early Church Writer Quotes and Other Ancient Writer Quotes :

The Book of Enoch?

Double post

www.christianforums.com

 

[chevyontheriver]

I'm curious to hear OP's answer to this question. If the Church Fathers are authoritative on geocentrism in the OP's view, then surely they're authoritative on ecclesiology.

Agreed. But since few of them were scientists their ecclesiology might be more significant than their cosmology.

 

[prodromos]

I'm also convinced that the great pyramid was built Before the flood by The Nephilim and have something to do with why God flooded the whole earth :

You can see water erosion towards the top :

That isn't from erosion, that is from the locals removing the outer layer to use in construction elsewhere.

 

[Der Alte]

Paul proves that there is no contracted form in Rom 14:11 where he quotes the OG LXX version of Isa 45:23-24a. He proves it again where he quotes Psa 68:18 in Eph 4:8, (both of these quotes, of course, according to their surrounding contexts).

Hallelu [in] Yah, (to the glory of the Father, YHWH).

I missed this back in August. Please explain how Paul's quote proves anything about a contracted form of something not identified.

 

[Der Alte]

I don’t read ‘early church writers.’ They add nothing to understanding God’s Word. I read God’s Word, and if I have a question about anything, I ask Him. Isn’t that how He’s instructed us to do, and not have a ‘heap of teachings to tickle your ear.’?

The problem with this view is all of the founders of various heterodox groups such as LDS, JW, etc. make the same claim. They know they are right because they prayed and God spoke directly to them.

 

[Jipsah]

I'm curious to hear OP's answer to this question. If the Church Fathers are authoritative on geocentrism in the OP's view, then surely they're authoritative on ecclesiology.

No, it's approximately at the center of the solar system. The "center of the universe" is not a well-defined concept in modern astronomy anyway.

Yeah, there’s a galactic barycenter somewhere, but we don’t have enough data to know where it is.

 

[Jipsah]

• Athanasius:
"But The Earth is not supported upon itself,

Theologians’ opinions of the universe, worth the price charged. Fiat earth is rubbish

 

[Apple Sky]

I'm also convinced that the great pyramid was built Before the flood by The Nephilim and have something to do with why God flooded the whole earth :

You can see water erosion towards the top :

I think you could be right, well spotted about about the erosion at the top of the pyramid.

So I've read, the Nephilim were the giants from the mating of the fallen angels with human women. The fallen angels taught mankind all kinds of things from cosmology to anatomy. IMO this is how these mythological creatures came about by them splicing the DNA between man & beast & this was the reason why God flooded the earth.

And one more assumption, how could God flood a supposed ball earth ?

Aldobrandini Villa Rome