Genesis Creation OR THIS?

[Givemeareason]

The literal meaning is the deepest. The other meanings, comparatively, are much easier to see.

Don't you think it would be wise to read other sources who are constantly trying to interpret this so called "literal" bible.

 

[AllanV]

I think you are misinformed. This idea sounds more like it came from creationists rather than from scientists. If creationists claim that all the evidence is not being presented it is because their evidence which they supposedly have is contrived in order to support their own foregone conclusions. If you think me wrong and you are are aware of this evidence can you refer me to it? True science looks for evidence while false science looks for conclusions first and then looks for the evidence.

What you have written could easily apply to Atheistic evolutionists. Lawrence Krauss says everything comes from nothing but sees no reason for a God to be involved. But it is obvious something must be sustaining the energy in the Atom and the life in the cell. Apart from personal revelation and a realization, the Bible states that everything seen comes from nothing.

I have put some links up previously. It takes some study.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Why do humans and chimpanzees share a broken vitamin C gene at the exact same place in their genomes? Did God intentionally design both humans and chimps with a broken gene in the same place? Why not just create both species without that particular gene? A broken vitamin C gene makes it impossible for the body to produce vitamin C, so the inclusion of this gene at all is rather redundant if its broken. Did God create both species with this broken gene so as to make evolution appear true? God doesn't deceive us...

God only deceives unbelievers.


2Thess 2:10-11
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 

[pshun2404]

How can anyone accept the Genesis creation story as a scientific basis to argue creation after watching this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=udAL48P5NJU

Who would ever use the Genesis creation story as a "scientific" argument for creation?

 

[Givemeareason]

What you have written could easily apply to Atheistic evolutionists. Lawrence Krauss says everything comes from nothing but sees no reason for a God to be involved. But it is obvious something must be sustaining the energy in the Atom and the life in the cell. Apart from personal revelation and a realization, the Bible states that everything seen comes from nothing.

I have put some links up previously. It takes some study.

First off, not everyone who believes in evolution are athiests. Many are even Christians. It is called theistic evolution or evolution with a purpose. The only reason I am aware of that people deny evolution is based it's conflict with their understanding of Christianity. They appear confused. Evolution is supported by a mountain of evidence and those who are denying it are like people trying to chisel down the mountain with icepicks.

 

[Givemeareason]

God only deceives unbelievers.


2Thess 2:10-11
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

When and why would a God who loves us engage in deceiving anyone? That is in direct conflict with the teachings if Jesus.

 

[Givemeareason]

Who would ever use the Genesis creation story as a "scientific" argument for creation?

Ever been to a Creationist museum?

 

[bhsmte]

First off, not everyone who believes in evolution are athiests. Many are even Christians. It is called theistic evolution or evolution with a purpose. The only reason I am aware of that people deny evolution is based it's conflict with their understanding of Christianity. They appear confused. Evolution is supported by a mountain of evidence and those who are denying it are like people trying to chisel down the mountain with icepicks.

Looking at total numbers, many, many more Christians agree with evolution, than atheists.

 

[Givemeareason]

Looking at total numbers, many, many more Christians agree with evolution, than atheists.

I have no doubt of that.

 

[AllanV]

First off, not everyone who believes in evolution are athiests. Many are even Christians. It is called theistic evolution or evolution with a purpose. The only reason I am aware of that people deny evolution is based it's conflict with their understanding of Christianity. They appear confused. Evolution is supported by a mountain of evidence and those who are denying it are like people trying to chisel down the mountain with icepicks.

There doesn't seem to be any uniformity in what Christians believe.
Christianity is about the Kingdom of God and escaping the deceptions of Satan. Satan stands in the place of God and opposes God in the mind with temptation. The human mind needs purifying. Human's have a rebellious nature and as the Prophet Samuel is recorded as saying this is as the sin of witchcraft and stubbornness as the sin of idolatry.
All mankind has a mind that is full of stray thoughts as a penalty that leads to sin and an ability to influence each other through the subconscious. This is why some make others feel bad or good just by their demeanor and look, let alone the emphasis placed on words.

Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man

 

[Givemeareason]

There doesn't seem to be any uniformity in what Christians believe.
Christianity is about the Kingdom of God and escaping the deceptions of Satan. Satan stands in the place of God and opposes God in the mind with temptation. The human mind needs purifying. Human's have a rebellious nature and as the Prophet Samuel is record as saying this is as the sin of witchcraft and stubbornness as the sin of idolatry.
All mankind has a mind that is full of stray thoughts as a penalty of sin and an ability to influence each other through the subconscious. This is why some make others feel bad or good just by their demeanor and look, let alone the emphasis placed on words.

Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man

Sounds like the Bible has human nature down pretty good. Christians have a big advantage though. If we stick to the word of Jesus and recognize his love and return that love, Satan wouldn't get near us.

 

[AllanV]

Sounds like the Bible has human nature down pretty good. Christians have a big advantage though. If we stick to the word of Jesus and recognize his love and return that love, Satan wouldn't get near us.

It is difficult to contemplate that the Eternal God makes everything seen appear instantly and that,
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
therefore the free space in the atom that is very energetic and strong and also the life in the cell is God's covering. God fills the whole universe.
Psa 104:2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:

 

[Givemeareason]

It is difficult to contemplate that the Eternal God makes everything seen appear instantly and that,
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
therefore the free space in the atom that is very energetic and strong and also the life in the cell is God's covering. God fills the whole universe.
Psa 104:2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:

I will admit much of what has been said of God confuses me. That's why I am sticking with Jesus. Hopefully through my understandings of Jesus, I can better come to understand God later.

 

[juvenissun]

Don't you think it would be wise to read other sources who are constantly trying to interpret this so called "literal" bible.

It might help. But it is not important.
The important one is how do YOU interpret it. And it should be constantly improving (changing). Yours might not be the best one, but it surely be the closest one.

 

[juvenissun]

Who would ever use the Genesis creation story as a "scientific" argument for creation?

Me.

 

[Colter]

The point to be made here is why should Christians today need to adhere to a simple creation story as written in Genesis and argue with science over how the universe was created. By your own words "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." And it could have all stopped right there. But, no, humanity needed to know more. And so a story was created in terms that even a goat herder could understand. But even that did not satisfy our need for understanding. And so we continue in our quest for understanding except when we get sidetracked into believing wherein we become complacent. I cannot simply choose to believe something wherein I have already seen I would become complacent as well. And many others are like me. And Christianity becomes such a beautiful message when it is cleared from all the things it is cluttered with. Why do Christians have to believe and even prove the bible is literal when people don't even agree on what it says?

The answer to your question is that, lacking a visible presence of the creator Son man is tempted to make a fetish or "Golden Calf" out of the scripture writings of holy men, it's safe.

I've been a student of the Urantia Revelation for most of my life, we now have a much more comprehensive explanation/revelation about the origins of the earth and the life planted on it, our solar system, galaxy etc. As science has worked to reveal much more about our physical world and it's history, religion has remained stunted in it's spiritual growth by petrifying the speculations about past revelations.

 

[BabylonWeary]

First off, not everyone who believes in evolution are athiests. Many are even Christians. It is called theistic evolution or evolution with a purpose. The only reason I am aware of that people deny evolution is based it's conflict with their understanding of Christianity. They appear confused. Evolution is supported by a mountain of evidence and those who are denying it are like people trying to chisel down the mountain with icepicks.

What mountain? Is it a real mountain, literally, or is that a metaphor? If you're using such imagination to advance a scientific theory, how can we be sure it's nothing more than a myth you're just making up as you go? Do we not have a say-so about what we are supposed to believe, do we not get a chance to examine this mountain of evidence and draw our own conclusions accordingly, or do we just take any random science jargon that appears before us at face value because it's been endorsed by secular academics who only get paid if they tow the company line? What if we're just not as concerned with it, and are we stopping anyone from believing in it? Genesis will still be around long after the theory of evolution has been discredited by whatever the trending science happens to be. We have seen nations rise and fall, yet we still go on. Not even the gates of hell shall prevail against us, so why the exercise in futility?

 

[bhsmte]

What mountain? Is it a real mountain, literally, or is that a metaphor? If you're using such imagination to advance a scientific theory, how can we be sure it's nothing more than a myth you're just making up as you go? Do we not have a say-so about what we are supposed to believe, do we not get a chance to examine this mountain of evidence and draw our own conclusions accordingly, or do we just take any random science jargon that appears before us at face value because it's been endorsed by secular academics who only get paid if they tow the company line? What if we're just not as concerned with it, and are we stopping anyone from believing in it? Genesis will still be around long after the theory of evolution has been discredited by whatever the trending science happens to be. We have seen nations rise and fall, yet we still go on. Not even the gates of hell shall prevail against us, so why the exercise in futility?

I don't know, maybe it is just me, but when I think "towing the company line", religion comes immediately to mind, not science.

 

[Colter]

"While personal religion precedes the evolution of human morals, it is regretfully recorded that institutional religion has invariably lagged behind the slowly changing mores of the human races. Organized religion has proved to be conservatively tardy. The prophets have usually led the people in religious development; the theologians have usually held them back. Religion, being a matter of inner or personal experience, can never develop very far in advance of the intellectual evolution of the races." UB

 

[paulm50]

Why does anyone believe the bible word for word?

Fear.

Fear that when they die they go to hell. The crops won't grow, the sun won't shine enough, it will rain too much, the earth will swallow them up, a family member will die, the neighbours army will come and enslave them, and so on.

It's all based on the threats for those that don't believe.

Now someone will tell me I'm going to hell, because I don't believe. I'm not scared, they are though. Or arrogant they have it right.

AllanV is right, evolution does have holes in it, holes that are being filled every day. Genesis is one big hole they refuse to fill.