Genesis 6 Giants in scripture

Riberra · Dec 27, 2017

TribulationSigns said:
Ahem...if there is one idea in some Christian circles that has always puzzled me, it is the notion that when Genesis chapter 6 speaks of the sons of God taking wives of the daughters of men, it was somehow referring to angels, heavenly beings, or even aliens mating with human women. It amazes me that not only is such an idea unequivocally accepted by many in the church, but that it is also put forth by some theologians.

By comparing spiritual things with spiritual things, this is how God reveals to us the truth of the passages in question.

Here is where your copy and paste text in post #100 run into a wall about Genesis 6:1-4...

In Job 38:7 it is said that The SONS of God were shouting of joy WHEN God CREATED the EARTH .....thus before that God Created Adam and Eve.

Job 38:7

1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

seventysevens · Dec 27, 2017

TribulationSigns said:
Ahem...if there is one idea in some Christian circles that has always puzzled me, it is the notion that when Genesis chapter 6 speaks of the sons of God taking wives of the daughters of men, it was somehow referring to angels, heavenly beings, or even aliens mating with human women. It amazes me that not only is such an idea unequivocally accepted by many in the church, but that it is also put forth by some theologians.

By comparing spiritual things with spiritual things, this is how God reveals to us the truth of the passages in question.

Genesis 6:1

"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the Sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

The first question we need to tackle is "who are the sons of God?" Not who does many prominent theologians say that the sons of God were, or who we might suppose that they were, but what do we find out about the phrase when we search and compare scripture with scripture. The only way to authoritatively find the answer to the question, "Who are the sons of God," is to let the word of God itself tell us. Through His authoritative word, I believe that God tells us very clearly both who they are, and why they are called His sons.

John 1:12

"But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the Sons of God, even to them that believeth on His name."

This is obnly one of many Scriptures that give us Biblical warrant to say the sons of God represent those who take on the name of God, as children or sons through Christ. Indeed, the overwhelming majority of the use of this phrase unquestionably refer to God's Covenanted people. Even those those few passages in which it may be argued as questionable, when studied carefully, certainly may be argued that they may be referring to the family of God also.
By contrast, comparing scripture with scripture, there is no authoritative use of the phrase "sons of God" anywhere in Scripture that can be said to define Angels. The only way we could even suppose this to refer to anything but "children" of God, is if we listen to the suppositions, assumptions and theories of men (Romans 3:4). All God's covenant people are spoken of as His children or sons, meaning His progeny or family. This is the phrase that God has divinely inspired to identify those specific people that call Him Father and are part of His family.

Romans 8:14

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are Sons of God."

The sons of God are defined as those who are led by His Spirit to believe. It is these people who have become family to serve their Father, and who are led by His Spirit as sons.

1st John 3:1

Behold, what manner of Love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the Sons of God:..."

All God's people are sons of God. Looking throughout the scriptures, we see this truth over and over again. Those who are designated God's people, God assigns the title "sons of God." So there really should be no mystery of the meaning of the phrase in Genesis chapter 6 either, except that some Christians seek to create one for their own purposes. These sons of God in Genesis were the children of God of that day, just as they are the sons of God today. They were those who were God blessed and looked upon Him as their heavenly Father. Later on in history God called the nation Israel His Son, because the whole nation of Israel was an outward representation (a type) of the true Son of God, the perfect Israel of God, Christ our Lord. And all those within it were Covenated sons of God through Him.

Exodus 4:22

"And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:"

Hosea 11:1

"When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my Son out of Egypt."

Matthew 2:15

"And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my Son."

Christ was the true Israel, the root and true Son that the children of Israel looked forward to being delivered by. These are the spiritual truths of the Lord that many in the church do not understand. All scripture is consistent with itself and flows together like a gigantic spiritual picture puzzle, having every piece fit perfectly in place. The believers are sons of God, the children of Israel, and it is only because of the sacrifice of Christ that this is so. He was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the earth, and His atoning efficacy reaches from Abel, to those sons who are saved today. Without Him, there are no sons, no true belief, no eternal Israel. Without Christ there is only unrighteous flesh.
The fact is, at any time on this earth, there have been those who call God their Father (sons of God), and the unbelievers as fatherless, pagan or heathen. And these two groups were inherently at enmity, and were commanded not to mix or come together in marriage unions. God has made that perfectly clear. Those who are His people were called those "set apart" for the service of God. That didn't change when the nation of Israel came along, rather it was written down in books as the law. Corporately, the nation were the sons of God, who were not to mingle in marriage with the daughters of men who inhabited the surrounding nations. This was because they were of two separate kingdoms--one of heaven, and one of this earth. One of God, and one of men. Thus the contrasting phrases "sons of God" versus "daughtewrs of men."

Deuteronomy 14:1-2

"Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.

For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth."

God's people were to be a separated people from the other people of the world. The Hebrew words translated "children of the Lord your God" or Children of Jehovah God [ben Yehovah elohiym] are the very same words sons of God [ben elohiym]. It is illustrating that God's people have a covenant family relationship with him above all other people. In other words, they are sons of God, commanded to be a nation that remained special, separated from the heathen nations. This "set apart" principle for God's people has not changed, and is demonstrated for us on the New Testament side of the cross through the Apostle Paul:

2nd Corinthians 6:17

"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing: and I will receive you,

And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be My Sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."

There are two families in this world. There is the family of God, and then there is the family of the Devil, which we come out from when we are reborn as children of God. The two are to be separate so that the sons of God are not polluted by the ideas, vain imaginations and idolatries of the world. Even from the beginning with Cain and Able, God has always separated his children from the unbelieving seed. Able was a child of God, while Cain lived in unbelief, at enmity with both God and his son Abel. Thus Cain ultimately killed Able, and was in turn sent out, "separated" from the family of God. He was cursed and cast out from among them. God made it clear that He did not want him to remain among His People. The same portrait is painted down through the ages as God told the nation of Israel not to mix with the nations around them. Unfortunately, there still remains some misguided souls (even in our day) who believe this a command of physical or ethnic purity of the nation. But actually, it was for the cause of spiritual purity. It was because Israel was the Old Testament representation of the family or congregation of God, thus they were to remain spiritually separated from the world. They were representatives of the children or sons of God. As such, they were not to be unequally yoked or joined together with those who remained in unbelief. It was the heathen or Gentile nations around them that were in blindness, idolatry and unbelief, and thus God's people were to remain separated from. It was not that God was any respecter of persons(Acts 10:34-35), it was that these were the sons of God who were commanded not to mix with the lawless daughters of men. It was a continuation of the principles recorded in Genesis, that they were "set apart" so that they might not be tempted by their Godlessness, idolatry and wickedness.

Ezra 9:1

"..The priests and the Levites, have not Separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the canaanites, the hittites, the perizites, the Jebusites, the Amonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, the Amorites. For they have taken of their Daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the HOLY SEED have mingled themselves with the people of those lands.."

Note the error of what the sons of Israel (the Sons of God) had done here? They had done the exact same thing that we read about in Genesis chapter 6. They had desired and gone after the infidel daughters of men who lived in the nations around them. Look at the laguage there, as it shows this was an abomination to God. God says they mingled the Holy seed. Simply put, these Sons of God were not to be yoked together with unbelievers, and that is exactly what they did. They were not be seduced by their beauty to take of their daughters for wives, nor let their sons go after these women who didn't know God. This is exact same principle that the sons of God are to uphold today. Although it seems our churches have chosen to abandon God's laws concerning this precept and do whatever seems right in their own eyes, exactly as those in Israel of old did.

2nd Corinthians 6:14

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness."

God's law has not changed throughout time because God is immutable, and neither has man in his wilful disregard for God's decree of keeping the seed holy by not being unequally yoked with unbelievers. The church today bears the fruits of their unlawful deeds. This law of corinthians is the same principle that the covenanted nation of Israel was under, and the same principle that had Cain cast out, and the same principle that God's children of Genesis chapter 6 violated by marrying the daughters of men rather than God. The sons of God were of the light and were not to have this type intimate communion with darkness. When we take on the Lord's name as sons Of God, we are to be a light shinning in darkness. They were not to mix dark with light, because they have no communion together. Either the light will overcome the darkness, or the light will go away and the darkness will rules. The principle is that you can't have them both working together as they are two separate entities.

Philippians 2:15

"That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world."

That is the principle for all who are sons of God, and it was the same principle in Genesis chapter 6. The sons of God were to shine as the light of the world, not mix with the darkness of those who were outside of God's family. They were not to marry the daughters of men, because they were two totally different people with very different ideals, morals, values and fathers. Yet we read that these sons of God saw the beauty of these women, and went after them anyway. As we know, the result of such adulteration of the holy seed is quite devastating. By letting their flesh rule over them in seeing how fair or beautiful the daughters of men were, the sons of God disregarded these principles and took these women to wife. This is exactly what the church is doing today in blessing and yoking together unbelievers with believers. The result in Genesis was that the world was greatly changed because of their unfaithfulness, because that is what happens when you mix believers with unbelievers. The continual or daily light is eventually extinguished so that we have darkness in the house of God. Wickedness abounds because you can't have two rulers in one Temple. This is what the Sons of God did in their unfaithfulness to God.

Genesis 6:2

"that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

They took wives of the un-saved daughters of the giants [nephil], the big or renowned people of that time, and they gave birth to children who were piritually divided and became mighty champions or famous. Probably much like what we think of as famous gladiators. An analogy today would probably be man's heroes, like basketball players, or great leaders, or movie stars. In other words, someone who is a hero, famous, a protagonist, someone renowned or a champion. People were looking up to them and all the laws of God were left behind (sound familiar). That's what happens when you have the children of God yoked with unbelievers. The seed is mingled with unbelief and there is a falling away from God because the spouse (being ungodly) doesn't want to follow God's laws.
So of course (not coincidentally) God says that after this the world became evil continually (again, sound familiar), and because the wickedness of man was great, God destroyed the world with the flood. He saved none alive but Noah and his family. Note "carefully" that the sons of God, by this unrighteous adulteration over the years, had become virtually wiped out. There were no true sons of God left except the 8 souls that God saved in the Ark. Is it any wonder God uses both Noah and Lot as pictures or examples of the end of the world and demonstrates the apostasy or falling away of man that precedes it? It is a sign of how it will be in the world when Christ shall make His second appearing.

But for studious Christians to think that these sons of God in Genesis, who lusted after the beautiful women of men, were angels; or that the giants [nephil] were super beings, is such a twisted form of eisegesis that reads into the scriptures what is not there. This idea, considering Scripture, is nothing short of ridiculous.

There are many other things to be considered here as well. Number one, didn't Christ Himself tell us that when we get to heaven, we will be like the angels, who neither marry nor are given in marriage?

Matthew 22:30

For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

So how can Christians then simply ignore this, and say these were angels marrying women of this earth in Genesis chapter six? One popular way is to rationalize this away and claim that they're no longer angels. But how then are they called by God, sons of God (which they claim means angels) and define them as His children? It makes no sense at all. They cannot be angels and take women to wife, and yet be cast out angels, who are also sons of God. If they are not angels, what else can they be? If we say they are anything else, where is the Biblical justification for saying that? We certainly can't just guess, assume or blindly speculate. That's not how we interpret scripture. We must use scripture to interpret scripture. That means saying these are exactly what God says that sons of God are--His children, or those who call Him their Father. That may not be the most intriguing, fascinating, captivating, titillating or sensationally interesting interpretation, but it will be the most faithful and biblical interpretation.

Another point is that Genesis Chapter 4:26, that leads up to this chapter says, "..then began men to call themselves by the name of the Lord." In the literal, "..then a beginning to call after the name of Jehovah." In other words, this is the time when they were called children of the Lord. By calling themselves of Jehovah, they signified that in taking His name, even as a child has their earthly Father's name, they were his children. Perfectly explaining why they were then called, Sons of God.

Also note exactly "who" God is angry with in Genesis chapter 6, and who God brings this judgment upon. He is angry with/and brings judgment against "men," not fallen angels. Let us use simple logic here. If these were angels, God would be angry with angels for coming down and taking daughters of men to wife, not angry at men for what the Angels had done. Thus once we understand what is happening here, we see that these can only be believers (in the broad sense of the word) or sons of God, who saw the beauty of the daughters of men (unbelievers) and took them as wives. And because of this mingling, their seed or offspring became unrighteous until ultimately this once faithful family became corrupted and wicked. This was a violation of the law of separation of the family of God from the daughters of men. This happened because of the error of the sons of God, which by the time of the flood had dwindled down to just those of Noah's family. And so God brought judgment for their unrighteousness.

Note another most telling statement. When we read in verse 2 that the sons of God took the daughters of men to wife, what is God's response in the very next verse?

"And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he is also flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years."

Again, Sons of God take daughters of men, and God is angry with men, not with angels and not with the angel's children. He is speaking of flesh and blood human beings. His spirit will not always strive with man. Man is but flesh, and his error was carnal, in the flesh. God is bringing judgment upon man for his weakness of the flesh. The sons of God were sinning according to the flesh, by taking wives of the unsaved simply because they were fair to look upon (beautiful in our vernacular). Unfaithfulness has always been the reason for God's judgment upon the earth. Not because super angels copulated with humans, but because God's people went after the ungodly and it caused them to be wicked continually.

There are a few other verses that we should briefly touch on that are sometimes used to try and prove these were angels.

Job 1:6

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them."

Job 2:1

"Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord."

Any Bible that you have that will translate these words as angels is a mis-translation. The words sons of God in these verses are the exact same Hebrew as found throughout scripture for sons, and for God. It is the same as found in Genesis chapter 6. The words are [ben 'elohiym] or [bane el-o-heem] which is literally children or Sons/God. The exact same words in all the verses. It is not the Hebrew word translated "angels," which is [mal'ak] meaning Messenger. Any Bible that translates this angel is making a "commentary" and is not really a translation of the Hebrew. And believe me, there is a difference. I don't mind people making commentaries, but when they find themselves on the pages of scripture masquerading "as Scripture," that is when I draw the line. It is an unrighteous act for anyone to translate [ben 'elohiym] as angels when God inspired the Hebrew "Sons of God." If God had wanted to say angels, He very well could have had the Holy men of old use that Hebrew word He has prescribed and uses for angel throughout scripture. He did not.
On the other hand, some people have legitimately been confused by the language "they came to present [yatsab] (meaning, to 'station' or position) themselves before the Lord." Some think that this must mean that they went into heaven. That is not the case. We have to keep in mind the times that we are reading about. These were the early years of the world. The language of "presenting themselves before God", is common in Biblical History, and doesn't denote literally appearing in Heaven. It is simply common language denoting coming to a place designated for the presence of God to inquire of Him. Today, we'd go to a church and pray. That would be our coming to inquire of God. In those days, they would have their own designated Holy place, and often God would speak to them directly. We see this clearly for example in Deuteronomy:

Deuteronomy 31:14-15

"...call Joshua, and Present Yourselves in the tabernacle of the congregation, that I may give him a charge. And Moses and Joshua went, and Presented themselves in the tabernacle of the congregation.

and the Lord appeared in the tabernacle in a pillar of a cloud:...."

God told Moses to present [yatsab] (same word) himself and Joshua before Him in the tabernacle, and "God" appeared there and spoke to them. Please note, they did not appear in Heaven. Comparing scripture with scripture we see this language of presenting oneself before the Lord doesn't denote an appearance in the third heaven. Here they presented themselves before God, but it was in the physical tabernacle on earth. It's the exact same thing as the sons of God presenting themselves. In these early days, God spoke to His servants the Prophets in a special way. And often times that meant an appearance or His presence in a special way. But don't take my word for it, please just compare scripture with scripture.
1st Samuel 10:19

..Now therefore Present Yourselves before the Lord by your tribes, and by your thousands."

Present (same Hebrew word) themselves before the Lord, and they'd inquire of God. Did that mean the tribes of Israel went into Heaven to present themselves before the Lord? Certainly not, but this is the language God uses to describe the official, recognized gathering together to inquire of God. Another verse is, Numbers 11:16 where the Lord tells Moses to gather 70 into the tabernacle to STAND (same Hebrew word PRESENT) themselves with Moses, and "GOD" would come down and talk with Him there. You see, this was simply the language used in the old days when the believers (the sons of God) would come to inquire of the Lord. They would present themselves before the Lord to inquire and for instruction. It's really no different from saying, "the sons of God came to present themselves before the lord," and of saying "the believers came to present themselves before the Lord." It's human beings in view here, not angels and not in physical heaven.

Literally, Job 1:6 says "..and there doth come Satan in their midst." So the sons of God came to present themselves before God, and Satan came in the midst of them. It's no real mystery--not at all unlike the 12 Disciples with Christ in Jerusalem, and Satan indwelling Judas in the midst of them. There we have an example of Judas having a Devil, which means Satan coming in the midst of the sons of God. Where is the mystery? There is none. Satan makes his appearance on earth through men. We can also look at another passage that people sometimes bring up, which is Job chapter 38:

Job 38:7

"When the morning star sang together, and all the Sons of God shouted for Joy."

The passage in Job 38:7 may be a little more difficult to understand, but the chapter becomes clear in a studious work of comparing scripture with scripture. The entire chapter is speaking in symbolical terms. God talks about where the foundations of the earth are fastened together (or sockets been sunk). The Earth isn't sunk by sockets. It says who laid the corner stone. The earth wasn't laid on corner stones. It says the sea is shut with doors. The sea doesn't have any doors on it. It says the sea bursts forth as a womb. The sea is not a womb. It talks of the clouds as a swaddling band, and bars being set, God talking and commanding the morning, taking hold of the wings or ends of the earth, it being as clothes or a garment, a broken arm, etc., etc., etc. The point I'm making is, all these things symbolize something. It's not a literal broken arm in view here, or literal bars and doors or literal stars bursting forth singing. So why should we take this alone to be literally angels, when it doesn't say angels. Again, it's the same words [ben elohiym], sons of God. This all has a very spiritual significance no doubt, which is beyond the scope of this study. But God is talking about His Creation process and using the spiritual language of creation, stars and sons to signify Christ and His kingdom. For stars don't literally sing, nor the world literally sat on stones. God says these things to paint a spiritual picture puzzle which we must discern by rightly dividing the word. God has always used the stars as tokens for believers, just as He uses the Sun to signify Christ. These significations or symbolic terms started from the very beginning in Genesis. The stars are part of the lights of the world created from the Beginning, and all are symbolic of the light of the lord. Likewise, those in Christ are called by these things. Lamps, candles, stars, etc., because we are reflections or vessels of Christ. The House or Temple of the lord. It's these "Spiritual Things" that so many Theologians don't really comprehend. But this is the House of God, the sons of God, whose foundation was laid in Christ. Consider Chapters like Ezra and compare scripture with scripture knowing that the Lord does nothing by accident.

Ezra 3:10-12

"And when the builders laid the foundation of the temple of the LORD, they set the priests in their apparel with trumpets, and the Levites the sons of Asaph with cymbals, to praise the LORD, after the ordinance of David king of Israel.

And they sang together by course in praising and giving thanks unto the LORD; because he is good, for his mercy endureth for ever toward Israel. And all the people shouted with a great shout, when they praised the LORD, because the foundation of the house of the LORD was laid.

But many of the priests and Levites and chief of the fathers, who were ancient men, that had seen the first house, when the foundation of this house was laid before their eyes, wept with a loud voice; and many shouted aloud for joy:

The same portrait/picture of the stars singing and shouting for Joy and the foundation laid, which God's original creation mirrors. Because it's "meant" to show a spiritual truth which has nothing to do with literal stars or angels, but Christ and His House. But as I said, that's beyond the scope of this FAQ, as it is a whole other study in itself.

Mark 12:25 should make it perfectly clear that angels could not have been marrying daughters of men in Genesis chapter 6. This should settle the whole issue right there, but it won't. Because when some people make up their minds, they just won't be confused with triviality we call the Biblical facts. Nevertheless, this article is for those who have spiritual ears and keep God's word, and know the righteousness of comparing scripture with scripture, spiritual things with spiritual things (1st Corinthians 2:13), to come to the real truth of it.

One last thing that some people seem to get hung up on is the word translated Giants (KJV) in verse 4 of Genesis chapter 6. I touched on it briefly before. This is the Hebrew word [nephel]. Often they will throw the word Nefeel, Nephel or Nephelims around like it's a name for an alien race or celestial being. The fact is, it's not a name for an extraterrestrial or some being that is foreign to this world. It is a description of a type of people. The root meaning of the word Nephel iis giant, from "FELL'er" or to make fall. By extension, someone "BIG" or a "GIANT" person. Thus, it is correctly translated Giants here. But there is no mystery. And we can prove that very easily by faithfully comparing scripture with scripture. Because The Giants [nephel] are spoken of in Genesis before the Flood, and also again after the flood. Now since we (Bible Believers) know that everyone on earth was destroyed by the flood of Noah's day, and only Noah and His own family survived, and they weren't NEPHEL (if nephel means something alien race) then we know by simple common sense and logic that this "so called" race of Nephel could not have survived. It makes absolutely no sense unless we are unreasonable and refuse to listen to the facts.

A reasonable man adapts himself to the
facts of scripture, which He reads.
An unreasonable man seeks to have the facts
of scripture adapt to his reasoning"

-WiseManSay

Conclusion: Nephel is simply an old word used as descriptive of "Big" People. It could be literally giant in stature, or a giant in position (as in famous) or giant as in a champion. In other words, [nephel] is a word meaning big, not a name of angels or foreign beings. We have a tribe of people in Africa today who are very small or short. There is also a tribe that is very big or tall. When talking about them, we can say they're giants, or they're little. If we were of the old language in naming them, we would say they were [nephel] (Giants). But we don't ascribe them to being "angels" just because their size is unusual. We shouldn't do it with the Giants of scripture either. They're big, they're fellers, they're Giants. But they are not the product of angels mating. The whole idea is preposterous. The word by extension means Giants and nothing more. And that's how the word Nephel is used and translated in the scriptures. As there are giants today, there were some tribes or families of people that were giants in those days. Goliath was one of these, and the sons of Anak also. The word translated Giants just means they were big, or of great stature. It didn't identify an alien or angels. In fact, we can see that clearly as we read the word as it is seen in Numbers chapter 13:

Numbers 13:33

"And there we saw the giants [nephel] the sons of Anak, which come of the giants [gibbowr], and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight."

You see, here we have that word again. Nephel, the sons of Anak (a man). That is again proof that the word nephel is not describing a new race or angels, but is an attribute. Because they were the sons of the Anakims, who Joshua destroyed in Canaan. These could hardly be the same race of nephilims that were "before" the flood, so the whole idea concerning this word is ludicrous. Or are we to believe that angels dropped by again after the flood to mate with Human women once again? Notice that second word translated Giants is the Hebrew word [gibbowr]. It means warriors or strong Champions. And note the fear of these men were because they were--BIG! That is why they were called nephel (Giants). Verse 32 declares plainly that they were "of great stature". So clearly they were afraid of them because they were unusually big people. But it has nothing to do with angels mating with the daughters of men anymore than the tall people in Africa today have anything to do with that. They were simply a tribe or family of big people who would frighten you if you had to battle them. Would you rather to go to battle against an army of people the size of a basketball player, or an army of men standing only about 5 feet 9 inches. The answer is obvious. The natural man delights in creating a mystery where none exists because the truth doesn't seem exotic or sensational enough for himso that they desire something more. But the truth is that these were the giants in the land of that day, and nothing more.

In closing, the synopsis of Genesis chapter 6 is that the sons of God took the daughters of men to wife. These were the believers who disobeyed God and went after the unsaved daughters because they were women of great beauty. In turn these unholy unions brought forth unsaved seed who corrupted the Lord's covenanted people so that there was nothing but evil in the earth continually. Even as Solomon's wives of the nations corrupted him. God saw what they had done, which brought about this wickedness and sent the flood to wipe it out. As a result, they all perished except for Noah and His family of 7 saved in the Ark.

The moral is to let that be a lesson to all of us. It is a great truism that beauty is often only skin deep. We must not be unequally yoked with an unbeliever in marriage, for that will cause terrible repercussions down the line. Unfortunately, this is "exactly" what is happening again today. Not only with believers going after and marrying unbelievers literally, but also spiritually as the church is unequally yoking themselves with unbelief and adulterating God's word. They are making all kinds of excuses for these actions, and they just don't realize what darkness this error will bring upon the world. Just as it did when Israel went after the women and men of the heathen nations around her. These turned them to false gods and abominations. Slowly but surely (like a creeping vine or a spreading cancer) it became their destruction. Somehow, this adulteration of God's people by the mingling of seed just doesn't seem very important to the church today. I say in sadness, "we learn from history--that we do not learn from History."

My earnest Prayer is that some (though few that must be), will by Grace of God begin to learn from History. ..Bible History.

TribulationSigns said:
such a twisted form of eisegesis that reads into the scriptures what is not there. This idea, considering Scripture, is nothing short of ridiculous.

Conjecture -Conjecture -dash of salt-a pinch of truth - your owns words best describe this post.
Appreciate your sincerity , but if you did a deep enough study you'd know there was a mingling of the 'sons of God' seed with animals that created bizarre creatures that which originated the mythical beasts that the ancients people -Greek that drew the pictures of what they seen . Another reason why God intended to destroy ALL flesh - it wasn't just displeasure of mankind sinning

Denadii · Dec 27, 2017

TribulationSigns said:
Ahem...if there is one idea in some Christian circles that has always puzzled me, it is the notion that when Genesis chapter 6 speaks of the sons of God taking wives of the daughters of men, it was somehow referring to angels, heavenly beings, or even aliens mating with human women. It amazes me that not only is such an idea unequivocally accepted by many in the church, but that it is also put forth by some theologians.

By comparing spiritual things with spiritual things, this is how God reveals to us the truth of the passages in question.

Genesis 6:1

"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the Sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

The first question we need to tackle is "who are the sons of God?" Not who does many prominent theologians say that the sons of God were, or who we might suppose that they were, but what do we find out about the phrase when we search and compare scripture with scripture. The only way to authoritatively find the answer to the question, "Who are the sons of God," is to let the word of God itself tell us. Through His authoritative word, I believe that God tells us very clearly both who they are, and why they are called His sons.

John 1:12

"But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the Sons of God, even to them that believeth on His name."

This is obnly one of many Scriptures that give us Biblical warrant to say the sons of God represent those who take on the name of God, as children or sons through Christ. Indeed, the overwhelming majority of the use of this phrase unquestionably refer to God's Covenanted people. Even those those few passages in which it may be argued as questionable, when studied carefully, certainly may be argued that they may be referring to the family of God also.
By contrast, comparing scripture with scripture, there is no authoritative use of the phrase "sons of God" anywhere in Scripture that can be said to define Angels. The only way we could even suppose this to refer to anything but "children" of God, is if we listen to the suppositions, assumptions and theories of men (Romans 3:4). All God's covenant people are spoken of as His children or sons, meaning His progeny or family. This is the phrase that God has divinely inspired to identify those specific people that call Him Father and are part of His family.

Romans 8:14

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are Sons of God."

The sons of God are defined as those who are led by His Spirit to believe. It is these people who have become family to serve their Father, and who are led by His Spirit as sons.

1st John 3:1

Behold, what manner of Love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the Sons of God:..."

All God's people are sons of God. Looking throughout the scriptures, we see this truth over and over again. Those who are designated God's people, God assigns the title "sons of God." So there really should be no mystery of the meaning of the phrase in Genesis chapter 6 either, except that some Christians seek to create one for their own purposes. These sons of God in Genesis were the children of God of that day, just as they are the sons of God today. They were those who were God blessed and looked upon Him as their heavenly Father. Later on in history God called the nation Israel His Son, because the whole nation of Israel was an outward representation (a type) of the true Son of God, the perfect Israel of God, Christ our Lord. And all those within it were Covenated sons of God through Him.

Exodus 4:22

"And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:"

Hosea 11:1

"When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my Son out of Egypt."

Matthew 2:15

"And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my Son."

Christ was the true Israel, the root and true Son that the children of Israel looked forward to being delivered by. These are the spiritual truths of the Lord that many in the church do not understand. All scripture is consistent with itself and flows together like a gigantic spiritual picture puzzle, having every piece fit perfectly in place. The believers are sons of God, the children of Israel, and it is only because of the sacrifice of Christ that this is so. He was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the earth, and His atoning efficacy reaches from Abel, to those sons who are saved today. Without Him, there are no sons, no true belief, no eternal Israel. Without Christ there is only unrighteous flesh.
The fact is, at any time on this earth, there have been those who call God their Father (sons of God), and the unbelievers as fatherless, pagan or heathen. And these two groups were inherently at enmity, and were commanded not to mix or come together in marriage unions. God has made that perfectly clear. Those who are His people were called those "set apart" for the service of God. That didn't change when the nation of Israel came along, rather it was written down in books as the law. Corporately, the nation were the sons of God, who were not to mingle in marriage with the daughters of men who inhabited the surrounding nations. This was because they were of two separate kingdoms--one of heaven, and one of this earth. One of God, and one of men. Thus the contrasting phrases "sons of God" versus "daughtewrs of men."

Deuteronomy 14:1-2

"Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.

For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth."

God's people were to be a separated people from the other people of the world. The Hebrew words translated "children of the Lord your God" or Children of Jehovah God [ben Yehovah elohiym] are the very same words sons of God [ben elohiym]. It is illustrating that God's people have a covenant family relationship with him above all other people. In other words, they are sons of God, commanded to be a nation that remained special, separated from the heathen nations. This "set apart" principle for God's people has not changed, and is demonstrated for us on the New Testament side of the cross through the Apostle Paul:

2nd Corinthians 6:17

"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing: and I will receive you,

And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be My Sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."

There are two families in this world. There is the family of God, and then there is the family of the Devil, which we come out from when we are reborn as children of God. The two are to be separate so that the sons of God are not polluted by the ideas, vain imaginations and idolatries of the world. Even from the beginning with Cain and Able, God has always separated his children from the unbelieving seed. Able was a child of God, while Cain lived in unbelief, at enmity with both God and his son Abel. Thus Cain ultimately killed Able, and was in turn sent out, "separated" from the family of God. He was cursed and cast out from among them. God made it clear that He did not want him to remain among His People. The same portrait is painted down through the ages as God told the nation of Israel not to mix with the nations around them. Unfortunately, there still remains some misguided souls (even in our day) who believe this a command of physical or ethnic purity of the nation. But actually, it was for the cause of spiritual purity. It was because Israel was the Old Testament representation of the family or congregation of God, thus they were to remain spiritually separated from the world. They were representatives of the children or sons of God. As such, they were not to be unequally yoked or joined together with those who remained in unbelief. It was the heathen or Gentile nations around them that were in blindness, idolatry and unbelief, and thus God's people were to remain separated from. It was not that God was any respecter of persons(Acts 10:34-35), it was that these were the sons of God who were commanded not to mix with the lawless daughters of men. It was a continuation of the principles recorded in Genesis, that they were "set apart" so that they might not be tempted by their Godlessness, idolatry and wickedness.

Ezra 9:1

"..The priests and the Levites, have not Separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the canaanites, the hittites, the perizites, the Jebusites, the Amonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, the Amorites. For they have taken of their Daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the HOLY SEED have mingled themselves with the people of those lands.."

Note the error of what the sons of Israel (the Sons of God) had done here? They had done the exact same thing that we read about in Genesis chapter 6. They had desired and gone after the infidel daughters of men who lived in the nations around them. Look at the laguage there, as it shows this was an abomination to God. God says they mingled the Holy seed. Simply put, these Sons of God were not to be yoked together with unbelievers, and that is exactly what they did. They were not be seduced by their beauty to take of their daughters for wives, nor let their sons go after these women who didn't know God. This is exact same principle that the sons of God are to uphold today. Although it seems our churches have chosen to abandon God's laws concerning this precept and do whatever seems right in their own eyes, exactly as those in Israel of old did.

2nd Corinthians 6:14

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness."

God's law has not changed throughout time because God is immutable, and neither has man in his wilful disregard for God's decree of keeping the seed holy by not being unequally yoked with unbelievers. The church today bears the fruits of their unlawful deeds. This law of corinthians is the same principle that the covenanted nation of Israel was under, and the same principle that had Cain cast out, and the same principle that God's children of Genesis chapter 6 violated by marrying the daughters of men rather than God. The sons of God were of the light and were not to have this type intimate communion with darkness. When we take on the Lord's name as sons Of God, we are to be a light shinning in darkness. They were not to mix dark with light, because they have no communion together. Either the light will overcome the darkness, or the light will go away and the darkness will rules. The principle is that you can't have them both working together as they are two separate entities.

Philippians 2:15

"That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world."

That is the principle for all who are sons of God, and it was the same principle in Genesis chapter 6. The sons of God were to shine as the light of the world, not mix with the darkness of those who were outside of God's family. They were not to marry the daughters of men, because they were two totally different people with very different ideals, morals, values and fathers. Yet we read that these sons of God saw the beauty of these women, and went after them anyway. As we know, the result of such adulteration of the holy seed is quite devastating. By letting their flesh rule over them in seeing how fair or beautiful the daughters of men were, the sons of God disregarded these principles and took these women to wife. This is exactly what the church is doing today in blessing and yoking together unbelievers with believers. The result in Genesis was that the world was greatly changed because of their unfaithfulness, because that is what happens when you mix believers with unbelievers. The continual or daily light is eventually extinguished so that we have darkness in the house of God. Wickedness abounds because you can't have two rulers in one Temple. This is what the Sons of God did in their unfaithfulness to God.

Genesis 6:2

"that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

They took wives of the un-saved daughters of the giants [nephil], the big or renowned people of that time, and they gave birth to children who were piritually divided and became mighty champions or famous. Probably much like what we think of as famous gladiators. An analogy today would probably be man's heroes, like basketball players, or great leaders, or movie stars. In other words, someone who is a hero, famous, a protagonist, someone renowned or a champion. People were looking up to them and all the laws of God were left behind (sound familiar). That's what happens when you have the children of God yoked with unbelievers. The seed is mingled with unbelief and there is a falling away from God because the spouse (being ungodly) doesn't want to follow God's laws.
So of course (not coincidentally) God says that after this the world became evil continually (again, sound familiar), and because the wickedness of man was great, God destroyed the world with the flood. He saved none alive but Noah and his family. Note "carefully" that the sons of God, by this unrighteous adulteration over the years, had become virtually wiped out. There were no true sons of God left except the 8 souls that God saved in the Ark. Is it any wonder God uses both Noah and Lot as pictures or examples of the end of the world and demonstrates the apostasy or falling away of man that precedes it? It is a sign of how it will be in the world when Christ shall make His second appearing.

But for studious Christians to think that these sons of God in Genesis, who lusted after the beautiful women of men, were angels; or that the giants [nephil] were super beings, is such a twisted form of eisegesis that reads into the scriptures what is not there. This idea, considering Scripture, is nothing short of ridiculous.

There are many other things to be considered here as well. Number one, didn't Christ Himself tell us that when we get to heaven, we will be like the angels, who neither marry nor are given in marriage?

Matthew 22:30

For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

So how can Christians then simply ignore this, and say these were angels marrying women of this earth in Genesis chapter six? One popular way is to rationalize this away and claim that they're no longer angels. But how then are they called by God, sons of God (which they claim means angels) and define them as His children? It makes no sense at all. They cannot be angels and take women to wife, and yet be cast out angels, who are also sons of God. If they are not angels, what else can they be? If we say they are anything else, where is the Biblical justification for saying that? We certainly can't just guess, assume or blindly speculate. That's not how we interpret scripture. We must use scripture to interpret scripture. That means saying these are exactly what God says that sons of God are--His children, or those who call Him their Father. That may not be the most intriguing, fascinating, captivating, titillating or sensationally interesting interpretation, but it will be the most faithful and biblical interpretation.

Another point is that Genesis Chapter 4:26, that leads up to this chapter says, "..then began men to call themselves by the name of the Lord." In the literal, "..then a beginning to call after the name of Jehovah." In other words, this is the time when they were called children of the Lord. By calling themselves of Jehovah, they signified that in taking His name, even as a child has their earthly Father's name, they were his children. Perfectly explaining why they were then called, Sons of God.

Also note exactly "who" God is angry with in Genesis chapter 6, and who God brings this judgment upon. He is angry with/and brings judgment against "men," not fallen angels. Let us use simple logic here. If these were angels, God would be angry with angels for coming down and taking daughters of men to wife, not angry at men for what the Angels had done. Thus once we understand what is happening here, we see that these can only be believers (in the broad sense of the word) or sons of God, who saw the beauty of the daughters of men (unbelievers) and took them as wives. And because of this mingling, their seed or offspring became unrighteous until ultimately this once faithful family became corrupted and wicked. This was a violation of the law of separation of the family of God from the daughters of men. This happened because of the error of the sons of God, which by the time of the flood had dwindled down to just those of Noah's family. And so God brought judgment for their unrighteousness.

Note another most telling statement. When we read in verse 2 that the sons of God took the daughters of men to wife, what is God's response in the very next verse?

"And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he is also flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years."

Again, Sons of God take daughters of men, and God is angry with men, not with angels and not with the angel's children. He is speaking of flesh and blood human beings. His spirit will not always strive with man. Man is but flesh, and his error was carnal, in the flesh. God is bringing judgment upon man for his weakness of the flesh. The sons of God were sinning according to the flesh, by taking wives of the unsaved simply because they were fair to look upon (beautiful in our vernacular). Unfaithfulness has always been the reason for God's judgment upon the earth. Not because super angels copulated with humans, but because God's people went after the ungodly and it caused them to be wicked continually.

There are a few other verses that we should briefly touch on that are sometimes used to try and prove these were angels.

Job 1:6

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them."

Job 2:1

"Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord."

Any Bible that you have that will translate these words as angels is a mis-translation. The words sons of God in these verses are the exact same Hebrew as found throughout scripture for sons, and for God. It is the same as found in Genesis chapter 6. The words are [ben 'elohiym] or [bane el-o-heem] which is literally children or Sons/God. The exact same words in all the verses. It is not the Hebrew word translated "angels," which is [mal'ak] meaning Messenger. Any Bible that translates this angel is making a "commentary" and is not really a translation of the Hebrew. And believe me, there is a difference. I don't mind people making commentaries, but when they find themselves on the pages of scripture masquerading "as Scripture," that is when I draw the line. It is an unrighteous act for anyone to translate [ben 'elohiym] as angels when God inspired the Hebrew "Sons of God." If God had wanted to say angels, He very well could have had the Holy men of old use that Hebrew word He has prescribed and uses for angel throughout scripture. He did not.
On the other hand, some people have legitimately been confused by the language "they came to present [yatsab] (meaning, to 'station' or position) themselves before the Lord." Some think that this must mean that they went into heaven. That is not the case. We have to keep in mind the times that we are reading about. These were the early years of the world. The language of "presenting themselves before God", is common in Biblical History, and doesn't denote literally appearing in Heaven. It is simply common language denoting coming to a place designated for the presence of God to inquire of Him. Today, we'd go to a church and pray. That would be our coming to inquire of God. In those days, they would have their own designated Holy place, and often God would speak to them directly. We see this clearly for example in Deuteronomy:

Deuteronomy 31:14-15

"...call Joshua, and Present Yourselves in the tabernacle of the congregation, that I may give him a charge. And Moses and Joshua went, and Presented themselves in the tabernacle of the congregation.

and the Lord appeared in the tabernacle in a pillar of a cloud:...."

God told Moses to present [yatsab] (same word) himself and Joshua before Him in the tabernacle, and "God" appeared there and spoke to them. Please note, they did not appear in Heaven. Comparing scripture with scripture we see this language of presenting oneself before the Lord doesn't denote an appearance in the third heaven. Here they presented themselves before God, but it was in the physical tabernacle on earth. It's the exact same thing as the sons of God presenting themselves. In these early days, God spoke to His servants the Prophets in a special way. And often times that meant an appearance or His presence in a special way. But don't take my word for it, please just compare scripture with scripture.
1st Samuel 10:19

..Now therefore Present Yourselves before the Lord by your tribes, and by your thousands."

Present (same Hebrew word) themselves before the Lord, and they'd inquire of God. Did that mean the tribes of Israel went into Heaven to present themselves before the Lord? Certainly not, but this is the language God uses to describe the official, recognized gathering together to inquire of God. Another verse is, Numbers 11:16 where the Lord tells Moses to gather 70 into the tabernacle to STAND (same Hebrew word PRESENT) themselves with Moses, and "GOD" would come down and talk with Him there. You see, this was simply the language used in the old days when the believers (the sons of God) would come to inquire of the Lord. They would present themselves before the Lord to inquire and for instruction. It's really no different from saying, "the sons of God came to present themselves before the lord," and of saying "the believers came to present themselves before the Lord." It's human beings in view here, not angels and not in physical heaven.

Literally, Job 1:6 says "..and there doth come Satan in their midst." So the sons of God came to present themselves before God, and Satan came in the midst of them. It's no real mystery--not at all unlike the 12 Disciples with Christ in Jerusalem, and Satan indwelling Judas in the midst of them. There we have an example of Judas having a Devil, which means Satan coming in the midst of the sons of God. Where is the mystery? There is none. Satan makes his appearance on earth through men. We can also look at another passage that people sometimes bring up, which is Job chapter 38:

Job 38:7

"When the morning star sang together, and all the Sons of God shouted for Joy."

The passage in Job 38:7 may be a little more difficult to understand, but the chapter becomes clear in a studious work of comparing scripture with scripture. The entire chapter is speaking in symbolical terms. God talks about where the foundations of the earth are fastened together (or sockets been sunk). The Earth isn't sunk by sockets. It says who laid the corner stone. The earth wasn't laid on corner stones. It says the sea is shut with doors. The sea doesn't have any doors on it. It says the sea bursts forth as a womb. The sea is not a womb. It talks of the clouds as a swaddling band, and bars being set, God talking and commanding the morning, taking hold of the wings or ends of the earth, it being as clothes or a garment, a broken arm, etc., etc., etc. The point I'm making is, all these things symbolize something. It's not a literal broken arm in view here, or literal bars and doors or literal stars bursting forth singing. So why should we take this alone to be literally angels, when it doesn't say angels. Again, it's the same words [ben elohiym], sons of God. This all has a very spiritual significance no doubt, which is beyond the scope of this study. But God is talking about His Creation process and using the spiritual language of creation, stars and sons to signify Christ and His kingdom. For stars don't literally sing, nor the world literally sat on stones. God says these things to paint a spiritual picture puzzle which we must discern by rightly dividing the word. God has always used the stars as tokens for believers, just as He uses the Sun to signify Christ. These significations or symbolic terms started from the very beginning in Genesis. The stars are part of the lights of the world created from the Beginning, and all are symbolic of the light of the lord. Likewise, those in Christ are called by these things. Lamps, candles, stars, etc., because we are reflections or vessels of Christ. The House or Temple of the lord. It's these "Spiritual Things" that so many Theologians don't really comprehend. But this is the House of God, the sons of God, whose foundation was laid in Christ. Consider Chapters like Ezra and compare scripture with scripture knowing that the Lord does nothing by accident.

Ezra 3:10-12

"And when the builders laid the foundation of the temple of the LORD, they set the priests in their apparel with trumpets, and the Levites the sons of Asaph with cymbals, to praise the LORD, after the ordinance of David king of Israel.

And they sang together by course in praising and giving thanks unto the LORD; because he is good, for his mercy endureth for ever toward Israel. And all the people shouted with a great shout, when they praised the LORD, because the foundation of the house of the LORD was laid.

But many of the priests and Levites and chief of the fathers, who were ancient men, that had seen the first house, when the foundation of this house was laid before their eyes, wept with a loud voice; and many shouted aloud for joy:

The same portrait/picture of the stars singing and shouting for Joy and the foundation laid, which God's original creation mirrors. Because it's "meant" to show a spiritual truth which has nothing to do with literal stars or angels, but Christ and His House. But as I said, that's beyond the scope of this FAQ, as it is a whole other study in itself.

Mark 12:25 should make it perfectly clear that angels could not have been marrying daughters of men in Genesis chapter 6. This should settle the whole issue right there, but it won't. Because when some people make up their minds, they just won't be confused with triviality we call the Biblical facts. Nevertheless, this article is for those who have spiritual ears and keep God's word, and know the righteousness of comparing scripture with scripture, spiritual things with spiritual things (1st Corinthians 2:13), to come to the real truth of it.

One last thing that some people seem to get hung up on is the word translated Giants (KJV) in verse 4 of Genesis chapter 6. I touched on it briefly before. This is the Hebrew word [nephel]. Often they will throw the word Nefeel, Nephel or Nephelims around like it's a name for an alien race or celestial being. The fact is, it's not a name for an extraterrestrial or some being that is foreign to this world. It is a description of a type of people. The root meaning of the word Nephel iis giant, from "FELL'er" or to make fall. By extension, someone "BIG" or a "GIANT" person. Thus, it is correctly translated Giants here. But there is no mystery. And we can prove that very easily by faithfully comparing scripture with scripture. Because The Giants [nephel] are spoken of in Genesis before the Flood, and also again after the flood. Now since we (Bible Believers) know that everyone on earth was destroyed by the flood of Noah's day, and only Noah and His own family survived, and they weren't NEPHEL (if nephel means something alien race) then we know by simple common sense and logic that this "so called" race of Nephel could not have survived. It makes absolutely no sense unless we are unreasonable and refuse to listen to the facts.

A reasonable man adapts himself to the
facts of scripture, which He reads.
An unreasonable man seeks to have the facts
of scripture adapt to his reasoning"

-WiseManSay

Conclusion: Nephel is simply an old word used as descriptive of "Big" People. It could be literally giant in stature, or a giant in position (as in famous) or giant as in a champion. In other words, [nephel] is a word meaning big, not a name of angels or foreign beings. We have a tribe of people in Africa today who are very small or short. There is also a tribe that is very big or tall. When talking about them, we can say they're giants, or they're little. If we were of the old language in naming them, we would say they were [nephel] (Giants). But we don't ascribe them to being "angels" just because their size is unusual. We shouldn't do it with the Giants of scripture either. They're big, they're fellers, they're Giants. But they are not the product of angels mating. The whole idea is preposterous. The word by extension means Giants and nothing more. And that's how the word Nephel is used and translated in the scriptures. As there are giants today, there were some tribes or families of people that were giants in those days. Goliath was one of these, and the sons of Anak also. The word translated Giants just means they were big, or of great stature. It didn't identify an alien or angels. In fact, we can see that clearly as we read the word as it is seen in Numbers chapter 13:

Numbers 13:33

"And there we saw the giants [nephel] the sons of Anak, which come of the giants [gibbowr], and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight."

You see, here we have that word again. Nephel, the sons of Anak (a man). That is again proof that the word nephel is not describing a new race or angels, but is an attribute. Because they were the sons of the Anakims, who Joshua destroyed in Canaan. These could hardly be the same race of nephilims that were "before" the flood, so the whole idea concerning this word is ludicrous. Or are we to believe that angels dropped by again after the flood to mate with Human women once again? Notice that second word translated Giants is the Hebrew word [gibbowr]. It means warriors or strong Champions. And note the fear of these men were because they were--BIG! That is why they were called nephel (Giants). Verse 32 declares plainly that they were "of great stature". So clearly they were afraid of them because they were unusually big people. But it has nothing to do with angels mating with the daughters of men anymore than the tall people in Africa today have anything to do with that. They were simply a tribe or family of big people who would frighten you if you had to battle them. Would you rather to go to battle against an army of people the size of a basketball player, or an army of men standing only about 5 feet 9 inches. The answer is obvious. The natural man delights in creating a mystery where none exists because the truth doesn't seem exotic or sensational enough for himso that they desire something more. But the truth is that these were the giants in the land of that day, and nothing more.

In closing, the synopsis of Genesis chapter 6 is that the sons of God took the daughters of men to wife. These were the believers who disobeyed God and went after the unsaved daughters because they were women of great beauty. In turn these unholy unions brought forth unsaved seed who corrupted the Lord's covenanted people so that there was nothing but evil in the earth continually. Even as Solomon's wives of the nations corrupted him. God saw what they had done, which brought about this wickedness and sent the flood to wipe it out. As a result, they all perished except for Noah and His family of 7 saved in the Ark.

The moral is to let that be a lesson to all of us. It is a great truism that beauty is often only skin deep. We must not be unequally yoked with an unbeliever in marriage, for that will cause terrible repercussions down the line. Unfortunately, this is "exactly" what is happening again today. Not only with believers going after and marrying unbelievers literally, but also spiritually as the church is unequally yoking themselves with unbelief and adulterating God's word. They are making all kinds of excuses for these actions, and they just don't realize what darkness this error will bring upon the world. Just as it did when Israel went after the women and men of the heathen nations around her. These turned them to false gods and abominations. Slowly but surely (like a creeping vine or a spreading cancer) it became their destruction. Somehow, this adulteration of God's people by the mingling of seed just doesn't seem very important to the church today. I say in sadness, "we learn from history--that we do not learn from History."

My earnest Prayer is that some (though few that must be), will by Grace of God begin to learn from History. ..Bible History.

Wow.....Well.....Its an interesting theory....Sons of God in the Old Covenant are not the same beings as Sons of God in the New Covenant. You need to get that straight right from the get go. There were no Sons of God (humans) until after Jesus went to the cross. Dig into that and we can talk.

TribulationSigns · Dec 27, 2017

[/B]Riberra[B] said:

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

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No, the context shows that The morning stars and the sons of God are all the people of God's congregation! They are those who were chosen in Christ FROM THE BEGINNING and who sang together and shout for joy when God laid the cornerstone (Jesus Christ) of the church.

Who are the sons of God?

Christ is THE Son of God and His Chosen children are also the sons of God. All those who are sons of the father are often times called the sons of God (Romans 8:14, 9:26, Galatians 3:26, etc.)

Who are the Morning Stars?

Eph 1:4
According as he hath chosen US in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Also, we should know that Christ is the Bright and Morning Star and His Saints who overcome IN CHRIST are the morning stars.

Rev 2:26-29
[26] And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
[27] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
[28] And I will give him the morning star.
[29] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

TribulationSigns · Dec 27, 2017

seventysevens said:
Conjecture -Conjecture -dash of salt-a pinch of truth - your owns words best describe this post.
Appreciate your sincerity , but if you did a deep enough study you'd know there was a mingling of the 'sons of God' seed with animals that created bizarre creatures that which originated the mythical beasts that the ancients people -Greek that drew the pictures of what they seen . Another reason why God intended to destroy ALL flesh - it wasn't just displeasure of mankind sinning

Ridiculous. Please show us where God actually said this in Scripture. It is purely your private opinion based on Greek mythology.

TribulationSigns · Dec 27, 2017

Denadii said:
Wow.....Well.....Its an interesting theory....Sons of God in the Old Covenant are not the same beings as Sons of God in the New Covenant. You need to get that straight right from the get go. There were no Sons of God (humans) until after Jesus went to the cross. Dig into that and we can talk.

You are incorrect. The sons of God in Old Covenant and New Covenant were still talking about the one human congregation of Israel starting with the Jews and then the Gentiles.

Riberra · Dec 27, 2017

TribulationSigns said:
No, the context shows that

Reread Job 38:1-7 and you will see that the context is about WHEN GOD CREATED THE EARTH.

The Sons of God in Job 38:1-7 refers to the ANGELS the First intelligent Beings created by God.

TribulationSigns said:
Who are the Morning Stars?

One of the Morning STARS is Jesus .....The other have fallen...

TribulationSigns · Dec 27, 2017

Riberra said:
Reread Job 38:1-7 and you will see that the context is about WHEN GOD CREATED THE EARTH.

Job 38:1-7
[1] Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
[2] Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
[3] Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
[4] Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
[5] Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
[6] Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
[7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Who is the corner stone defined by God in Scripture?

Isa_28:16
[16] Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

Eph_2:20
[20] And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

1Pe_2:6
[6] Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

The corner stone is Jesus Christ which the morning stars and all the sons of God sang and shouted for joy!

The redeemed children of God from the nations (aka, morning stars) sang about Jesus Christ which can be found in Revelation 14...

Rev 14:1-4
[1] And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
[2] And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
[3] And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
[4] These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Job 38:1-7 refers to the ANGELS the First intelligent Beings created by God.

Sorry, nope!

One of the Morning STARS is Jesus .....The other have fallen...

Can't you read the Scripture?

Rev 22:16
[16] I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

And for EVERY Redeemed Elect who have overcome in Christ are also considered as morning star in God's eye:

Rev 2:26-29
[26] And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
[27] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
[28] And I will give him the morning star.
[29] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

seventysevens · Dec 27, 2017

TribulationSigns said:
The first question we need to tackle is "who are the sons of God?"
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

The notion you have that angels are not capable of sexual relations is ridiculous , If you would have done some simple level of study and reasoning the answer would be quite obvious , though you choose to think in a carnal manner trying to use a rationale that is woefully inadequate ,

First There are no female Angels in heaven for the Angels to have sex with ; for if they had sex with each other all being males then God would have cast them into the pit -as you know God does not permit homosexuality in His presence .And people who go to heaven no longer have need to have sex as they do not need to procreate and have children

Second --Genesis tells us that 2 angels came to Sodom to force sexual relations on the guests of the house which tells us plainly angels are quite capable of sex and most willing to having sex with humans even to the point of doing it forcefully doing it to humans

Hebrews 13 tells us : Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.
Telling us that we may encounter angels taking on a human appearance

Book of Job: Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord. 2 And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Translated from Hebrew:
1 And the day was, when the sons of God came
To present themselves before Jehovah :
And Satan came in also among them
To present himself before Jehovah.
2 And Jehovah said unto Satan : " From whence comest thou ?"
And Satan answered Jehovah, and said :
" From running to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."
3 And Jehovah said unto Satan :

This is a conversation God is having with the angels(sons of God) as satan is involved in this conversation -then it begins to be discussed of Job being a faithful man that God holds in high esteem telling satan that he may test Job's faith

Lucifer being called son of the morning star -Daystar- bright morning star
Rev
20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

angels are also called stars
Your carnal manner of thinking is revealing your errors

The next thing you will be telling us is that Jonah didn't really spend 3 days in the belly of a big fish

Riberra · Dec 27, 2017

TribulationSigns said:
The corner stone is Jesus Christ which the morning stars and all the sons of God sang and shouted for joy!

The redeemed children of God from the nations (aka, morning stars) sang about Jesus Christ which can be found in Revelation 14...

Rev 14:1-4
[1] And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Hmm, do you realize that ONLY 144,000 are said in Revelation 14:1-4 as being redeemed from the Earth....i guess you have no idea where that number of 144,000 redeemed from the Earth come from ?

If you dig a little more in Revelation 14 you get more info about these 144,000

4 These are they that were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These [are] they that follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were purchased from among men, [to be] the firstfruits unto God and unto the Lamb.

5 And in their mouth was found no lie: they are without blemish.

TribulationSigns · Dec 27, 2017

seventysevens said:
The notion you have that angels are not capable of sexual relations is ridiculous , If you would have done some simple level of study and reasoning the answer would be quite obvious , though you choose to think in a carnal manner trying to use a rationale that is woefully inadequate.

Listen to me carefully, show me with a chapter and verse where God stated that the angel, a celestical beings, have the ability to have sex, either with fellow angels in heaven or humans on earth. Come on, show me. DOn't tell me if I have some level of study unless you show me a verse.

First There are no female Angels in heaven for the Angels to have sex with ; for if they had sex with each other all being males then God would have cast them into the pit -as you know God does not permit homosexuality in His presence .And people who go to heaven no longer have need to have sex as they do not need to procreate and have children

LOL. Do you realize that the angels in heaven are neither male nor female?

Second --Genesis tells us that 2 angels came to Sodom to force sexual relations on the guests of the house which tells us plainly angels are quite capable of sex and most willing to having sex with humans even to the point of doing it forcefully doing it to humans

Uh? That is not what it exactly says.

Gen 19:4-5
[4] But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
[5] And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

It is not the angels that forced sexual relation with people of Sodom. It were the Sodomites who demanded it. Try to learn to quote Scripture here, word to word.

Hebrews 13 tells us : Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.
Telling us that we may encounter angels taking on a human appearance

Incorrect. God is not talking about our encounter with celestial beings in human form unaware. You should read "What Does it mean, "Some Have Enteratained Angels unawares?"

Book of Job: Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord. 2 And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

This is a very widely held misconception by much of the church, mainly based on a misunderstanding of Old Testament Scriptures (like the book of Job) and of Revelation chapter 12 referring to cast out angels. I do not believe that Satan was in Holy heaven with God, was commuting from heaven to earth, nor that he ever had come into God's third heaven. Nothing that offends is in the heaven where God dwells, the heaven in view here is the Kingdom of heaven on earth, where God's people dwell. There is no sin in heaven, no hypocrisy, no Liar, no evil in heaven, only praise, glory and worship.

The context of Scriptures is also very important, and the context of this passage is the gathering together of God's people for feasts, communion and offerings unto the Lord for sin.

Job 1:4-5

"And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.
And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually."

The context is God's people on earth, their days of feasting and Job's faithful sacrifice and offering for sin. And on one of these days, Satan was allowed to come in among them so that Job could be tried, a portrait for all of us.

Job 1:6

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them."

The sons of God in Scripture refer to believers (Genesis 6:1; John 1:12; Romans 8:14; 1 John 3:1) who are spiritual children/sons of the Father. not Angels as is often assumed. And most certainly not "fallen Angels."

Deuteronomy 14:1
"Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut
yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead."

The word translated children is the exact same word translated sons, illustrating God's people are the spiritual sons of God.

(check this out: The Nephilims: and the Sons of God )

Thus by allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture we see these sons of God refers to believers, God's spiritual children on earth, and it is they who come to present themselves before the Lord. Actually the language of "present themselves before the LORD" is also confirming the illustration of their coming for the purpose of sacrifice, offering and forgiveness of sin of the Lord's congregation. It "is" the representation of the Lord's Heaven on earth. It is not an illustration of supernatural Angels or of Satan as a Angel presenting themselves in holy heaven in the presence of God. God says Satan was a Liar from the beginning, and no liar can enter God's Holy Heaven. Moses couldn't even stand before the glory of Holy God on the mountaintop, much less the epitome of evil and the father of lies come to stand where God dwells in all His glory. Allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture we see that the language of "presenting oneself" before God, or [yatsab], is the language of the congregation making obeisance, supplication, oblation and contrition. It doesn't refer to literally standing in Heaven physically facing God. e.g.:

Leviticus 14:11
"And the priest that maketh him clean shall present the man
that is to be made clean, and those things, before the LORD, at the
door of the tabernacle of the congregation:"

1st Samuel 10:19
"And ye have this day rejected your God, who himself saved you
out of all your adversities and your tribulations; and ye have said unto
him, Nay, but set a king over us. Now therefore present yourselves
before the LORD by your tribes, and by your thousands."

Deuteronomy 31:14
"And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thy days approach that thou
must die: call Joshua, and present yourselves in the tabernacle
of the congregation, that I may give him a charge. And Moses and Joshua
went, and presented themselves in the tabernacle of the congregation."

Jeremiah 36:7
"It may be they will present their supplication before the LORD, and
will return every one from his evil way: for great is the anger and the fury
that the LORD hath pronounced against this people."

That is how the congregation in the Old Testament presented themselves before the Lord, on earth, and it is not in a literal/physical heaven before God. In God's economy, heaven is often signifying the Lord's congregation "because" it is the Kingdom of heaven on earth. For Example, as we read of Christ the Kingdom of heaven suffered violence until John. It wasn't referring to literal heave. Or when Michael and His angels fought in heaven, again, not literally angels fighting in God's holy heaven. Likewise, when it says Satan came among them, he is among the congregation. This often happens as you can just look at some of the people in God's congregation and the things that they are teaching? It's not hard to understand that Satan comes in as a wolf in sheep's clothing. Didn't the sons of God build a golden calf to worship after being delivered from Egypt? Was that not Satan among them? Satan works within man (Luke 22:3), and he comes among God's people and does his bidding in the body of man (John 13:27). This is mysterious or secretive only in the fact that so many professing believers cannot comprehend this most basic and fundamental truth. He comes preaching love, he comes preaching eccumemism, he comes preaching politics, he comes genealogy, He comes preaching lawlessness under the guyise of grace and peace. The list is endless. Satan is revealed in the man of sin, or more to our vernacular, "the sinful man!" Ibn the spirit of his father, the Devil, he always comes in among the sons of God to try and bring them down, but it is really a trial of faith. Like Job, we should fear none of these things that we may suffer, be it tribulation, persecution or hate. If we are faithful unto death, we shall receive a crown of life better than anything this sinful world has to offer.

How's that for Bible study?!

Lucifer being called son of the morning star -Daystar- bright morning star

Can't you quote Scripture?!

Isa 14:12
[12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Not son of the morning star.

Rev
20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

angels are also called stars

No, messengers of the seven churches. We, Christians, are the messengers of the churches, not angels.

The next thing you will be telling us is that Jonah didn't really spend 3 days in the belly of a big fish

Sorry, you will be disappointed. Jonah actually did spend 3 days in a fish. But the real questions is, do you understand the spiritual signification of this? Look it up what Jesus said, Matthew 12:40.[/QUOTE]

TribulationSigns · Dec 27, 2017

Riberra said:
Hmm, do you realize that ONLY 144,000 are said in Revelation 14:1-4 as being redeemed from the Earth....i guess you have no idea where that number of 144,000 redeemed from the Earth come from ?

Actually, you do not know the spiritual signification of these number, do you?

Try study this article: The Numbers in the Scripture: Do they carry any spiritual significance?

Riberra · Dec 27, 2017

TribulationSigns said:
Actually, you do not know the spiritual signification of these number, do you?

Try study this article: The Numbers in the Scripture: Do they carry any spiritual significance?

Just a simple test to verify if you go outside of what is teach by your gurus at the Mountain Retreat Center for Biblical Theology and Eschatology founded in 1998.

-------------
Here a very simple question:

-Can you tell us using THE BIBLE what is the other reference about the 144,000 ...from what group of people will they be selected?

seventysevens · Dec 27, 2017

TribulationSigns said:
It is not the angels that forced sexual relation with people of Sodom. It were the Sodomites who demanded it

Granted it was my error in saying it was angels forcing themselves on people as it was the other way around , being half asleep and sick today my thoughts were not clear when I wrote that.
But I still disagree with you saying there are no male angels - note that ALL angels are named with male -masculine names - All descriptions are of male description always using terms as faces of men - homosexual men wanting to have sex with male angels ,

Note that Lot offered his own virgin daughters to the homosexual men who wanted to have sex with the angels -because the angels are male -that is why the homosexuals wanted to have sex with the angels as they rejected the women that were offered to them,
There is no scripture that says the angels have no genitals and there is no scripture that says they are incapable of having sex .Consider that God considers having sex with anyone you are not married to a sin of fornication

As the scripture in
Rev1 20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches
If these angels are human he would not have called ita mystery
Angels can be messengers or warriors
Your error is not learning the story of satan and how he got that name, When he was made he was known as lucifer the most high anointed cherub angel and unlimited access in the 3rd heaven amongst Almighty God but when his pride caused his fall as he wanted to replace Almighty God and sit in Gods throne.

Because lucifer sinned he lost his high place and the Garden of Eden was taken away from him and made for human Adam and Adam was given dominion of Eden and the earth . When Adam sinned it was taken from Adam and given to Ha~satan which means "accuser of the brethren".
Ha~satan goes to and fro of all the earth looking for humans that are sinning and brings his accusations to the courtroom - throne room of Almighty God . This is what is Job2 is speaking about , satan has limited access to God's courtroom just as you have limited access to the courtroom in your community . you can file a case in court but you don't reside there . satan is called the prince of the air , satan domain is the sky and atmosphere
Eph 2:2
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

TribulationSigns said:
I do not believe that Satan was in Holy heaven with God, was commuting from heaven to earth, nor that he ever had come into God's third heaven. Nothing that offends is in the heaven where God dwells, the heaven in view here is the Kingdom of heaven on earth, where God's people dwell. There is no sin in heaven, no hypocrisy, no Liar, no evil in heaven, only praise, glory and worship.

Isai 14:12-14

“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer. son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’

Eze28
You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you on the day you were created.

14 “You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.

16 “By the abundance of your trading
You became filled with violence within,
And you sinned;
Therefore I cast you as a profane thing
Out of the mountain of God;
And I destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the fiery stones.

17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
I cast you to the ground,
I laid you before kings,
That they might gaze at you.

Translated from Hebrew:
1 And the day was, when the sons of God came
To present themselves before Jehovah :
And Satan came in also among them
To present himself before Jehovah.
2 And Jehovah said unto Satan : " From whence comest thou ?"
And Satan answered Jehovah, and said :
" From running to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."
3 And Jehovah said unto Satan :

This is a conversation God is having with the angels(sons of God) as satan is involved in this conversation -then it begins to be discussed of Job being a faithful man that God holds in high esteem telling satan that he may test Job's faith

Yes the conversation God is having with the sons of god and satan -they are all angels

seventysevens · Dec 28, 2017

TribulationSigns said:
LOL. Do you realize that the angels in heaven are neither male nor female?

Book of Enoch chapter 15
1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous
2 man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice.
And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: "You should intercede" for men, and not men
3 for you: Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children
(4) of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die
(5) and perish. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget (6) children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly (7) spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling.

8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon (9) the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin;
(10) they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless (12) hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.

Chapter 19
1 And Uriel said to me: 'Here shall stand the angels who have connected themselves with women, and their spirits assuming many different forms are defiling mankind and shall lead them astray into sacrificing to demons as gods, (here shall they stand,) till the day of the great judgement in (2) which they shall be judged till they are made an end of. And the women also of the angels who (3) went astray shall become sirens.' And I, Enoch, alone saw the vision, the ends of all things: and no man shall see as I have seen.

Postvieww · Dec 28, 2017

TribulationSigns said:
You are incorrect. The sons of God in Old Covenant and New Covenant were still talking about the one human congregation of Israel starting with the Jews and then the Gentiles.

Every example of “sons of God” in the OT refers to created beings or angelic beings. Your attempt to make sons of God in the NT the same only confuses the matter. This has been addressed over and over on this thread. IMHO you are comparing scriptures that have no relation other than words and in this case it is you who is ignoring proper context.

Postvieww · Dec 28, 2017

TribulationSigns said:
Listen to me carefully, show me with a chapter and verse where God stated that the angel, a celestical beings, have the ability to have sex, either with fellow angels in heaven or humans on earth. Come on, show me. DOn't tell me if I have some level of study unless you show me a verse.

There is no scripture that prevents fallen angels from sexual activity. If you have one please post it.

TribulationSigns · Dec 28, 2017

Postvieww said:
Every example of “sons of God” in the OT refers to created beings or angelic beings.

Nope. The sons of God weren't angels, and the Bible doesn't say any of that. This is mere speculation by man! It is simple supposition, and to be frank, guesswork. Should not God's people get their interpretations from a more knowledgeable and infallible source ...like the author, God Himself?For example, let God's perfect word tell us who sons of God represent? Are not the members of His congregation called that?

Phlippians 2:15

"That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;"

The sons of God are believers, those spiritual children of God that are of so high an estate that they in Christ Jesus should seek to be harmless, blameless and without fault in the middle of this perverse and crooked world. The Old Testament congregation of Israel were no different, they were also called the sons/children of God, whether you like or not. We, being called sons of God, does not mean that we are angels, right now, doesn't it? G.E.D., neither I nor the Geneva Bible are the end-all in Bible interpretation. The Holy Scriptures are. "Sola Scriptura!" The Holy scriptures alone, the truth God has inspired written are our authority for reproof, rebuke, correction and instruction in righteousness today. Correction necessarily implies man's need for it.

Your attempt to make sons of God in the NT the same only confuses the matter. This has been addressed over and over on this thread.

Try me.

IMHO you are comparing scriptures that have no relation other than words and in this case it is you who is ignoring proper context.

Actually, I am saying that you lack sound exegesis concerning sons of God in old and New Testament. Nowhere in Scripture that declares that the angels AND humans can be both sons of God but God's messengers on earth.

TribulationSigns · Dec 28, 2017

Postvieww said:
There is no scripture that prevents fallen angels from sexual activity.

Prevents? So are you saying that there is a Scripture that declared that fallen angels could have sexual activity? Show me the Scripture.

seventysevens · Dec 28, 2017

TribulationSigns said:
So are you saying that there is a Scripture that declared that fallen angels could have sexual activity? Show me the Scripture.

Of course you will deny it as it shows you are incorrect , you not willing to acknowledge it as per usual
1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous
2 man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice.
And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: "You should intercede" for men, and not men
3 for you: Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children
(4) of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die
(5) and perish. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget (6) children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly (7) spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling.

8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon (9) the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin;
(10) they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless (12) hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.

Chapter 19
1 And Uriel said to me: 'Here shall stand the angels who have connected themselves with women, and their spirits assuming many different forms are defiling mankind and shall lead them astray into sacrificing to demons as gods, (here shall they stand,) till the day of the great judgement in (2) which they shall be judged till they are made an end of. And the women also of the angels who (3) went astray shall become sirens.' And I, Enoch, alone saw the vision, the ends of all things: and no man shall see as I have seen.

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