Genesis 6:1-4 and Jude 6&7 what do these passages mean? Why should we care?

[4x4toy]

Noah wife have not mated with the Fallen Angels... ----simple as that... Genesis 6:1-4

But she could have been a daughter of a son of man or daughter of a son of God but one or the other . Lamech had other sons and daughters besides Noah, but only Noah was the only one found perfect in his generation of all ..

 

[Riberra]

But she could have been a daughter of a son of man or daughter of a son of God but one or the other . Lamech had other sons and daughters besides Noah, but only Noah was the only one found perfect in his generation of all ..

When it is mention of the SONS OF GOD in Genesis 6:1-4 this refers to the SONS OF GOD who shouted of joy when God have created the Earth mentioned in Job 38:1-7 ---->These were angels !!!

 

[DavidPT]

Noah's wife have not mated with the Fallen Angels Genesis 6:1-4 ... simple as that !

Why didn't she though? Here's what the text indicates.

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.


According to this it was the sons of God doing the choosing here. If fallen angels are meant here, the logical conclusion would be that they are taking these women by force and that the women have no say so in the matter. So if they desired Noah's wife as well, what could she have done about it, since the text indicates it was the sons of God doing the choosing, and not the women themselves?

 

[Postvieww]

Matthew 27:52-53 .. Didn't everybody before Jesus have to have faith in God .. From Adam the creation story and his fall, sons of God called on God , Job and his sons/men, the sons of God of the land observed feast days ,then later with more prophecy available everybody had faith in Messiah all rolled forward waiting in paradise and are you born again of your own or must you have a call/desire for and from God to be chosen .. You can call on God but God sees your heart to be chosen or not ..

What is your point with Matthew 27;52-53? This is an obscure passage that simply does not give details. We don’t know what happened to those that rose. We do not know if this was as resurrection like that of Jesus who is ever living or that of Lazarus who died again. The passages only says some saints rose not all.

I have never discounted faith as a factor both before or after the cross.

Yes, God draws men to Himself some accept and some reject that call.

One problem here is you still use language that scripture does not use, the OT does not refer to people that called on God “sons of God” you keep saying it but scripture does not.

You still address Job’s son as “son of God” scripture does not.

I have never implied OT saints would not see God. All I have said is they were not born again as NT believers are with the Spirit within. You don’t seem to be able to make that distinction.

I addressed Hebrews 1, you didn’t respond to my rebuttal. I addressed Jobs sons, you didn’t respond to my rebuttal . You really did not address the points of my last post.

Still waiting

 

[Riberra]

Why didn't she though? Here's what the text indicates.

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.


According to this it was the sons of God doing the choosing here. If fallen angels are meant here, the logical conclusion would be that they are taking these women by force and that the women have no say so in the matter. So if they desired Noah's wife as well, what could she have done about it, since the text indicates it was the sons of God doing the choosing, and not the women themselves?

These Fallen Angels have a preference for beautiful and sexy women...

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair-----> and they took them wives of all which they chose.

 

[4x4toy]

Why didn't she though? Here's what the text indicates.

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.


According to this it was the sons of God doing the choosing here. If fallen angels are meant here, the logical conclusion would be that they are taking these women by force and that the women have no say so in the matter. So if they desired Noah's wife as well, what could she have done about it, since the text indicates it was the sons of God doing the choosing, and not the women themselves?

Why was Israel forbidden to intermarry, because idols would be introduced ..

 

[Riberra]

Why was Israel forbidden to intermarry, because idols would be introduced ..

And to keep the lineage pure until Jesus be born ...

 

[4x4toy]

What is your point with Matthew 27;52-53? This is an obscure passage that simply does not give details. We don’t know what happened to those that rose. We do not know if this was as resurrection like that of Jesus who is ever living or that of Lazarus who died again. The passages only says some saints rose not all.

I have never discounted faith as a factor both before or after the cross.

Yes, God draws men to Himself some accept and some reject that call.

One problem here is you still use language that scripture does not use, the OT does not refer to people that called on God “sons of God” you keep saying it but scripture does not.

You still address Job’s son as “son of God” scripture does not.

I have never implied OT saints would not see God. All I have said is they were not born again as NT believers are with the Spirit within. You don’t seem to be able to make that distinction.

I addressed Hebrews 1, you didn’t respond to my rebuttal. I addressed Jobs sons, you didn’t respond to my rebuttal . You really did address the points of my last post.

Still waiting

Agree some but some we do know, some remained I don't know but 1 Peter 3:18-20 .. John 8:56-58

 

[seventysevens]

What was it speaking of ?

That has been shown several times , how is it you don't remember -- you too focused on sex ...
Why is it that just because the scripture says angels do not marry you focus on sex ?
Google sexless marriages --->sexless marriages - Google Search

It is more common than you think ....

You are not only taking the scripture out of context - but you are forcing it into a context that it does not speak of

 

[4x4toy]

That has been shown several times , how is it you don't remember -- you too focused on sex ...
Why is it that just because the scripture says angels do not marry you focus on sex ?
Google sexless marriages --->sexless marriages - Google Search

It is more common than you think ....t

You are not only taking the scripture out of context - but you are forcing it into a context that it does not speak of

Bwahaha, but you insist fallen angels had sex with women ..

 

[seventysevens]

Bwahaha, but you insist fallen angels had sex with women ..

When you get proven wrong that is how you are

 

[4x4toy]

And to keep the lineage pure until Jesus be born ...

That and Galatians 5:9

 

[4x4toy]

When you get proven wrong that is how you are

''Yawn''

 

[Ronald]

There are a few ways of looking at these scriptures.
Some scholars identify these hybrids as the Nephilim.

Another way of interpreting it is that demons possessed women or implanted Satan's bad spiritual seed in them (as he did to Eve).

Yet another way is that the sons of God are holy and righteous men, while women are not referred to as daughters of God, they are referred to as daughters of men, since they were made out of Adam.

An explanation for these giants is that they are abnormally large men, like Andre the Giant. As we can breed dwarf horses 3 ft. tall, a family of large men like Goliath could be bread as well.
The thing that cautions me about the Nephilim, is that angels were spiritual beings who could materialize and appear in the image of man, but I doubt God gave them the ability to procreate. Creation, that is ALL life comes from God. He knits us together in the womb and so HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO PROCREATE KNOWING WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO JUST LATER DESTROY MANKIND AND SENTENCE THEM. He knew man would sin, but He had a fix for that. Angels are not redeemable.

 

[jhwatts]

You need to get some reading glasses as the scripture does not speak of sex - though you wish it did

You should look at it more closely.

Romans 1: (20-32)

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them(Those at the creation of the world.); for God hath shewed it unto them(Those at the creation of the world.).

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they (Those at the creation of the world.) are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they (Those at the creation of the world.) knew God, they(Those at the creation of the world.) glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their (Those at the creation of the world.) imaginations, and their (Those at the creation of the world.) foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they (Those at the creation of the world.) became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them (Those at the creation of the world.) up to uncleanness through the lusts of their(Those at the creation of the world.) own hearts, to dishonour their(Those at the creation of the world.) own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them (Those at the creation of the world.) up unto vile affections: for even their(Those at the creation of the world.) women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their (Those at the creation of the world.) error which was meet.

28 And even as they (Those at the creation of the world.) did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them(Those at the creation of the world.) over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.



Notice verse 23 and 24. See Genesis 6: (2-4) for more details.

 

[4x4toy]

When it is mention of the SONS OF GOD in Genesis 6:1-4 this refers to the SONS OF GOD who shouted of joy when God have created the Earth mentioned in Job 38:1-7 ---->These were angels !!!

This is where we part company .. Who or what were the morning stars (PLURAL) Did fallen angels shout for joy, verse 7 says all the sons of God ? Of course not and looking at that scripture in context is a fly in the buttermilk of a powerful chapter.. Luke 2:8-16 is another example where sons of God as angels is not referred but could have if it were true ..Apparently Enoch says angels, Jasher says men that took women as they pleased and began to make to themselves idols and corrupt .. You can find many clear references as men being the sons of God but not angels imo

 

[Ronald]

If these giants of scripture are just overly large people that just through a quirk in genetics were a little larger than most, why did our Holy, loving, merciful God want them wiped of the face of the earth? Does He have a problem with tall people and tall people’s children?

He had destroyed the Earth because it was saturated with sin to the highest degree. He had a purpose, to warn us of the consequences of sin and that at the end of the story, He will once again destroy the earth and create a new one. "As in the days of Noah, so shall be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man ..."

 

[seventysevens]

How about you expressing in your own words just exactly how you interpret this and how you apply it to the topic ?

You should look at it more closely.

Romans 1: (20-32)

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them(Those at the creation of the world.); for God hath shewed it unto them(Those at the creation of the world.).

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they (Those at the creation of the world.) are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they (Those at the creation of the world.) knew God, they(Those at the creation of the world.) glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their (Those at the creation of the world.) imaginations, and their (Those at the creation of the world.) foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they (Those at the creation of the world.) became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them (Those at the creation of the world.) up to uncleanness through the lusts of their(Those at the creation of the world.) own hearts, to dishonour their(Those at the creation of the world.) own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them (Those at the creation of the world.) up unto vile affections: for even their(Those at the creation of the world.) women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their (Those at the creation of the world.) error which was meet.

28 And even as they (Those at the creation of the world.) did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them(Those at the creation of the world.) over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.



Notice verse 23 and 24. See Genesis 6: (2-4) for more details.

 

[Ronald]

Not supported with scripture. God is sovereign over His creation but does not micro manage every act of evil.

Sovereignty means He is in control of EVERYTHING. HE ALLOWS EVIL FOR A PURPOSE. So your assumptions purport that God equipped angels to procreate and since He knows the futures also allowed it to happen for what purpose? A lesson for the angels? So God knew they would fall, procreate with women and God is angry for that? "Oh no, they messed up my plan, I'll have to lock them up in chains and destroy all mankind!" Mankind was destroy for it's wickedness to the core.
So, the argument against angels procreating would be God's sovereignty with His overall perfect plan. It does not allow demons to mess it up or mankind for that matter.
Oh, btw, I got a tape by Chuck Misler about 25 years ago entitled, The Return of the Nephilim. He had a view that they would return but would disguise themselves as Aliens. The false belief in aliens from outer space has been propagated throughout our generation and he thought this would be the ultimate deception, that aliens actually put us here and therefore your faith in God or Christ is futile.

 

[jhwatts]

How about you expressing in your own words just exactly how you interpret this and how you apply it to the topic ?

I think it is fairly explanatory. In short, verse 23 make the distinctions between both creations. The one in his image (Genesis 1:2 - Genesis 2:3)and the one defined as corruptible (Genesis 2:3 - Genesis 4:26). Also we see that the one made in the image of God was transformed into something different. Going further this rectifies what is described in Genesis 6 and also shows that their is some degree of truth to those things mentioned in the book of Enoch.

Verse 24 begins to describe how it is achieved.