Genesis 1:5 THE FIRST DAY (KJV)

[Job 33:6]

Hmmmm. I am beginning to understand this a little better. (cart before the horse, Platte)

Hell is the broader term - Sheol is hell. Yes Sheol is below us. If the ground opened up and you fell into it alive - and you perished....you would go down to Sheol...hell. You do not believe that?

No, hell is not a broader term. Good people go to sheol throughout the old testament. Sheol is not hell. Not sure why you can't seem to accept this basic fact.

And again you're not answering the question. If you think it is below us, do you think you could pickup a shovel and dig down to it? Exactly how far down below us do you think that it is, if the ground opened up and you fell in?

Also, in numbers, people went down into sheol, alive.

They were alive when they went down into sheol. That's the whole point:

Numbers 16:30-33 ESV
[30] But if the Lord creates something new, and the ground opens its mouth and swallows them up with all that belongs to them, and they go down alive into Sheol, then you shall know that these men have despised the Lord.” [31] And as soon as he had finished speaking all these words, the ground under them split apart. [32] And the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up, with their households and all the people who belonged to Korah and all their goods. [33] So they and all that belonged to them went down alive into Sheol, and the earth closed over them, and they perished from the midst of the assembly.

Jonah descended to sheol.
Jonah 2:5-6 ESV
[5] The waters closed in over me to take my life; the deep surrounded me; weeds were wrapped about my head [6] at the roots of the mountains. I went down to the land whose bars closed upon me forever; yet you brought up my life from the pit, O Lord my God.

Samuel went to sheol and his spirit came back up. Jacob, Job, David. Everyone went to sheol in the old testament, righteous people included.

 

[Platte]

No, hell is not a broader term. Good people go to sheol throughout the old testament. Sheol is not hell. Not sure why you can't seem to accept this basic fact.

And again you're not answering the question. If you think it is below us, do you think you could pickup a shovel and dig down to it? Exactly how far down below us do you think that it is, if the ground opened up and you fell in?

Also, in numbers, people went down into sheol, alive.

They were alive when they went down into sheol. That's the whole point:

Numbers 16:30-33 ESV
[30] But if the Lord creates something new, and the ground opens its mouth and swallows them up with all that belongs to them, and they go down alive into Sheol, then you shall know that these men have despised the Lord.” [31] And as soon as he had finished speaking all these words, the ground under them split apart. [32] And the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up, with their households and all the people who belonged to Korah and all their goods. [33] So they and all that belonged to them went down alive into Sheol, and the earth closed over them, and they perished from the midst of the assembly.

Jonah descended to sheol.
Jonah 2:5-6 ESV
[5] The waters closed in over me to take my life; the deep surrounded me; weeds were wrapped about my head [6] at the roots of the mountains. I went down to the land whose bars closed upon me forever; yet you brought up my life from the pit, O Lord my God.

It seems there is a lot you don't understand. No rush. Begin with this - what happens when a Christian dies - where do they go? What happens? You don't necessarily have to respond with the answers.

 

[Job 33:6]

It seems there is a lot you don't understand. No rush. Begin with this - what happens when a Christian dies - where do they go? What happens? You don't necessarily have to respond with the answers.

Alright. I'm sorry but I just don't have the patience for you.

You don't seem to be able to grasp the basic understanding that sheol is not hell. And, I can't do anything for you if you're going to push back against this most basic well understood concept of the Bible.

This is like old testament 101 and you're putting up a fight against it.

All the best Platte.

 

[Platte]

Alright. I'm sorry but I just don't have the patience for you.

You don't seem to be able to grasp the basic understanding that sheol is not hell. And, I can't do anything for you if you're going to push back against this most basic well understood concept of the Bible.

This is like old testament 101 and you're putting up a fight against it.

All the best Platte.

You don’t have a full understanding of what you are responding to. I’ll leave you with this. The sky is heaven. Heaven is a broader term

 

[Job 33:6]

You don’t have a full understanding of what you are responding to. I’ll leave you with this. The sky is heaven. Heaven is a broader term

Psalm 49:14 ESV
[14] Like sheep they are appointed for Sheol; death shall be their shepherd, and the upright shall rule over them in the morning. Their form shall be consumed in Sheol, with no place to dwell.

Genesis 37:35
Jacob goes to sheol. A patriarch of the faith, a righteous man.

Job 14:13
Job goes to sheol. Job is described as blameless and upright.

Hezekiah, in Isaiah 38:10, goes to sheol. King Hezekiah was a righteous man.

The psalmist in Psalm 88.

Prophet Samuel went to sheol (and came back up at king sauls request).

Hosea 13:14 speaks of people, the righteous, rescued or brought out of sheol.

Etc.

It's not hell. It's described as a watery underworld. And good people go there just as bad do, as noted above.

God isn't sending countless righteous people to hell in the old testament.

Sheol is not hell, and hell is not sheol. When you're ready to come to terms with this, I'll be here. Until then, all the best.

Beyond that, the answer is "no", there isn't an underworld beneath our feet that we can dig down to with a shovel (sorry to burst your bubble on this one). I'm not sure if you've ever taken a shovel and dug a hole in your backyard, but in case you didnt know, there's nothing down there. Except rock. And eventually the earths mantle and core. Thats what we call "figurative language" in the Bible. There aren't actually spirits down there sitting around a table playing cards while waiting for you to fall in.

Numbers 16:30-33 ESV
[30] But if the Lord creates something new, and the ground opens its mouth and swallows them up with all that belongs to them, and they go down alive into Sheol, then you shall know that these men have despised the Lord.” [31] And as soon as he had finished speaking all these words, the ground under them split apart. [32] And the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up, with their households and all the people who belonged to Korah and all their goods. [33] So they and all that belonged to them went down alive into Sheol, and the earth closed over them, and they perished from the midst of the assembly.

Jonah didn't actually enter the underworld when he sank to the bottom of the sea. There isn't like a door that you can swim to if you go down deep enough.

Jonah 2:2-3, 5-6 ESV
[2] saying, “I called out to the Lord, out of my distress, and he answered me; out of the belly of Sheol I cried, and you heard my voice. [3] For you cast me into the deep, into the heart of the seas, and the flood surrounded me; all your waves and your billows passed over me.
[5] The waters closed in over me to take my life; the deep surrounded me; weeds were wrapped about my head [6] at the roots of the mountains. I went down to the land whose bars closed upon me forever; yet you brought up my life from the pit, O Lord my God.

And its important to be able to recognize this, such as in Genesis, when Jacob goes to Sheol. Genesis has lots of concepts in it that are not historically literal. People in the book of Numbers, and their houses and towns, did not actually fall into the underworld, alive. That's known as: figurative language.

And beyond all of this, this figurative language of an underworld where people go down into it, is common of ancient near east literature. It's a normal part of 3-tiered ancient Israelite cosmology and a broader ancient near east cosmology. It's part of the ancient Israelite cultural context.

 

[Platte]

Psalm 49:14 ESV
[14] Like sheep they are appointed for Sheol; death shall be their shepherd, and the upright shall rule over them in the morning. Their form shall be consumed in Sheol, with no place to dwell.

Genesis 37:35
Jacob goes to sheol. A patriarch of the faith, a righteous man.

Job 14:13
Job goes to sheol. Job is described as blameless and upright.

Hezekiah, in Isaiah 38:10, goes to sheol. King Hezekiah was a righteous man.

The psalmist in Psalm 88.

Prophet Samuel went to sheol (and came back up at king sauls request).

Hosea 13:14 speaks of people, the righteous, rescued or brought out of sheol.

Etc.

It's not hell. It's described as a watery underworld. And good people go there just as bad do, as noted above.

God isn't sending countless righteous people to hell in the old testament.

Sheol is not hell, and hell is not sheol. When you're ready to come to terms with this, I'll be here. Until then, all the best.

Beyond that, the answer is "no", there isn't an underworld beneath our feet that we can dig down to with a shovel (sorry to burst your bubble on this one). I'm not sure if you've ever taken a shovel and dug a hole in your backyard, but in case you didnt know, there's nothing down there. Except rock. And eventually the earths mantle and core. Thats what we call "figurative language" in the Bible. There aren't actually spirits down there sitting around a table playing cards while waiting for you to fall in.

Numbers 16:30-33 ESV
[30] But if the Lord creates something new, and the ground opens its mouth and swallows them up with all that belongs to them, and they go down alive into Sheol, then you shall know that these men have despised the Lord.” [31] And as soon as he had finished speaking all these words, the ground under them split apart. [32] And the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up, with their households and all the people who belonged to Korah and all their goods. [33] So they and all that belonged to them went down alive into Sheol, and the earth closed over them, and they perished from the midst of the assembly.

Jonah didn't actually enter the underworld when he sank to the bottom of the sea. There isn't like a door that you can swim to if you go down deep enough.

Jonah 2:2-3, 5-6 ESV
[2] saying, “I called out to the Lord, out of my distress, and he answered me; out of the belly of Sheol I cried, and you heard my voice. [3] For you cast me into the deep, into the heart of the seas, and the flood surrounded me; all your waves and your billows passed over me.
[5] The waters closed in over me to take my life; the deep surrounded me; weeds were wrapped about my head [6] at the roots of the mountains. I went down to the land whose bars closed upon me forever; yet you brought up my life from the pit, O Lord my God.

And its important to be able to recognize this, such as in Genesis, when Jacob goes to Sheol. Genesis has lots of concepts in it that are not historically literal. People in the book of Numbers, and their houses and towns, did not actually fall into the underworld, alive. That's known as: figurative language.

And beyond all of this, this figurative language of an underworld where people go down into it, is common of ancient near east literature. It's a normal part of 3-tiered ancient Israelite cosmology and a broader ancient near east cosmology. It's part of the ancient Israelite cultural context.

Wow

Psalm 49:14 ESV
[14] Like sheep they are appointed for Sheol; death shall be their shepherd, and the upright shall rule over them in the morning. Their form shall be consumed in Sheol, with no place to dwell.

Genesis 37:35
Jacob goes to sheol. A patriarch of the faith, a righteous man.

Job 14:13
Job goes to sheol. Job is described as blameless and upright.

Hezekiah, in Isaiah 38:10, goes to sheol. King Hezekiah was a righteous man.

The psalmist in Psalm 88.

Prophet Samuel went to sheol (and came back up at king sauls request).

Hosea 13:14 speaks of people, the righteous, rescued or brought out of sheol.

Etc.

It's not hell. It's described as a watery underworld. And good people go there just as bad do, as noted above.

God isn't sending countless righteous people to hell in the old testament.

Sheol is not hell, and hell is not sheol. When you're ready to come to terms with this, I'll be here. Until then, all the best.

Beyond that, the answer is "no", there isn't an underworld beneath our feet that we can dig down to with a shovel (sorry to burst your bubble on this one). I'm not sure if you've ever taken a shovel and dug a hole in your backyard, but in case you didnt know, there's nothing down there. Except rock. And eventually the earths mantle and core. Thats what we call "figurative language" in the Bible. There aren't actually spirits down there sitting around a table playing cards while waiting for you to fall in.

Numbers 16:30-33 ESV
[30] But if the Lord creates something new, and the ground opens its mouth and swallows them up with all that belongs to them, and they go down alive into Sheol, then you shall know that these men have despised the Lord.” [31] And as soon as he had finished speaking all these words, the ground under them split apart. [32] And the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up, with their households and all the people who belonged to Korah and all their goods. [33] So they and all that belonged to them went down alive into Sheol, and the earth closed over them, and they perished from the midst of the assembly.

Jonah didn't actually enter the underworld when he sank to the bottom of the sea. There isn't like a door that you can swim to if you go down deep enough.

Jonah 2:2-3, 5-6 ESV
[2] saying, “I called out to the Lord, out of my distress, and he answered me; out of the belly of Sheol I cried, and you heard my voice. [3] For you cast me into the deep, into the heart of the seas, and the flood surrounded me; all your waves and your billows passed over me.
[5] The waters closed in over me to take my life; the deep surrounded me; weeds were wrapped about my head [6] at the roots of the mountains. I went down to the land whose bars closed upon me forever; yet you brought up my life from the pit, O Lord my God.

And its important to be able to recognize this, such as in Genesis, when Jacob goes to Sheol. Genesis has lots of concepts in it that are not historically literal. People in the book of Numbers, and their houses and towns, did not actually fall into the underworld, alive. That's known as: figurative language.

And beyond all of this, this figurative language of an underworld where people go down into it, is common of ancient near east literature. It's a normal part of 3-tiered ancient Israelite cosmology and a broader ancient near east cosmology. It's part of the ancient Israelite cultural context.

wow ok where does Jacob go to Sheol?

 

[Semper-Fi]

No, hell is not a broader term.

Hell is an english word.
The word hell can be traced back only so far as the anglo-saxon word
"helle" or "helan" and it's definition is that of a "hidden place".

Bible translators wrongly used hell each and every occasion that the
words - Hades, Gehenna, Sheol, and Tartarus, were used in the bible.

Hades, is a greek word for hidden place.
Sheol, is a Hebrew word used for the grave.
Tartarus, was used by Homer, when describing the
subterranean prisons where the "gods" were imprisoned.
Gehenna, was the garbage dump just outside of Jerusalem,
where refuse was burned continually.

Use a bible concordence to find in verses looking at what origanl
inspired word used, only one defination for one word.

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By combining all these things together, translators paint a
picture of a subterranean place where fires burned and was
unseen by those living upon the surface of the earth.

Dante's Inferno helped spread this idea.

Good people go to sheol throughout the old testament. Sheol is not hell.

Sheol, is a Hebrew word used for the grave.

If you mean all people go to the Grave when they die, yes, they are dead.
To us it is like we fell asleep, then lift up our eyes/awake at a resurrection.

4His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

18For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee:
they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.

5For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

10Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee?

17The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.

5For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing,
neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Job asks: If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of
my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice"
-

12And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy
fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed
out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

So [David slept] with his fathers,
and was buried in the city of David.

15As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness:
I shall be satisfied, when I [King David] awake, with [thy likeness].

-
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

25Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear
the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice
of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
-

The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it:
for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it:
for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold,
a greater than Solomon is here.

-

 

[Platte]

Hell is an english word.
The word hell can be traced back only so far as the anglo-saxon word
"helle" or "helan" and it's definition is that of a "hidden place".

Bible translators wrongly used hell each and every occasion that the
words - Hades, Gehenna, Sheol, and Tartarus, were used in the bible.

Hades, is a greek word for hidden place.
Sheol, is a Hebrew word used for the grave.
Tartarus, was used by Homer, when describing the
subterranean prisons where the "gods" were imprisoned.
Gehenna, was the garbage dump just outside of Jerusalem,
where refuse was burned continually.

Use a bible concordence to find in verses looking at what origanl
inspired word used, only one defination for one word.

e-Sword: Free Bible Study for the PC | Downloads

e-Sword: Free Bible Study for the PC

www.e-sword.net

By combining all these things together, translators paint a
picture of a subterranean place where fires burned and was
unseen by those living upon the surface of the earth.

Dante's Inferno helped spread this idea.


Sheol, is a Hebrew word used for the grave.

If you mean all people go to the Grave when they die, yes, they are dead.
To us it is like we fell asleep, then lift up our eyes/awake at a resurrection.

4His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

18For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee:
they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.

5For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

10Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee?

17The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.

5For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing,
neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Job asks: If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of
my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice"
-

12And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy
fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed
out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

So [David slept] with his fathers,
and was buried in the city of David.

15As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness:
I shall be satisfied, when I [King David] awake, with [thy likeness].

-
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

25Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear
the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice
of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
-

The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it:
for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it:
for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold,
a greater than Solomon is here.

-

Thank you and that’s why I was saying hell is a broad term

 

[Michael Snow]

There are a lot of YEC people who believe "The First Day" is a literal 24 hour day. So in the literal Bible what happened on this first "day"? Usually they God created

בָּרָ֣א bā-rā)

the Earth on the first day. But what does "Earth" mean in this verse? We are told "the earth was without form, and void". We have a ton of questions here and so far we have only defined ONE word, the word DAY. There are a lot of words here that need defined but it is usually agreed that we are talking about the word "earth". So WHAT does this word: "earth" mean in the literal Bible. JUST THE BIBLE. If you want to ONLY use the Bible to define the word DAY then we have to apply the same rule to the word: "Earth". What does JUST the BIBLE say the word "Earth" means? Then we have to go though all the words to look at just what the literal Bible says. You reject science for what a day is so it is only fair that you can not use science to define what the rest of the words in the passage say or mean. GAP people say there was a GAP of time between beginning and "the earth was without form and void". We see this term used also in Jeremiah 4:23 "I looked at the earth, and it was formless and void; and at the heavens, and their light was gone." The Bible defines the Bible so how do we use these terms in Jeremiah to understand what the term "formless and void" means in Genesis one. No cheating. You can not use Science because you have already rejected science when you define day as a 24 hour day. So we can not use science to define any of the other words in the literal passage. In the literal bible what was Jeremiah: "looking" at?

The Bible does NOT say God created Earth on Day One (literally). On day one of the week in which God sets his creation in order, God said, "Let there be light"...which follows and remedies the condition of "darkness" on the earth described in verse two. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" precedes, literally, day one of the week when God prepares earth for man.
In The Beginning

 

[Diamond72]

God said, "Let there be light"

I was a draftsman, we sold kitchens and there was always a blue print. The real print was where you put the ammonia in a tube to make a print. You have to have a plan. We are told that God declares the end from the beginning. We are told He watches over his word to perform what He said He would do.

People think God said and poof it just happens in a instant and the evidence does not support that theory. We are all a work in progress and God is not finished until the end of time and the end of the ages. Then there will be a new heaven and a new earth. God will have accomplished what He said.

My next door neighbor just put new siding on his house. These houses are 70 years old. I was amazed at how beautiful the wood was under the cheap plastic siding they tore off. Then they put the old siding in a dumpster and they delivered the new siding on a truck.

So you can say put siding on my house but you still have to design it, order it, delever it and install it after you tear off the old. WE get rid of the filthy rags we are wearing and we are made new. It is a process and it does not happen in a day. When Jesus comes for His bride she will be radiant without spot, blemish or wrinkle.

Ephesians 5 "25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her 26to sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to Himself as a glorious church, without stain or wrinkle or any such blemish, but holy and blameless"

 

[davetaff]

Hi
The first day of this creation began when Noah stepped out of the ark the first day would last a thousand years as would all the days of this creation the only thing God needed to create was mankind in his image because the first Adam was destroyed in the flood the first man in his image was Israel the man in Gods image in the flesh which did not turn out to good so Good so God began a new creation with Jesus Christ this will be realised with Christs second coming when he gathers all believers together and presents to the Father this is mankind in the image of God this is man in the spirit

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

Hi
The first day of this creation began when Noah stepped out of the ark the first day would last a thousand years as would all the days of this creation the only thing God needed to create was mankind in his image because the first Adam was destroyed in the flood the first man in his image was Israel the man in Gods image in the flesh which did not turn out to good so Good so God began a new creation with Jesus Christ this will be realised with Christs second coming when he gathers all believers together and presents to the Father this is mankind in the image of God this is man in the spirit

Love and Peace
Dave

I seem to remember you saying this before, but according to Genesis, what happened when Noah came out of the ark after the Flood involved him and his family, and the animals from the ark repopulating the earth. We are not told in Genesis that God created new people and new animals after the Flood.

 

[Diamond72]

We are not told in Genesis that God created new people and new animals after the Flood.

Noah saved the civilized world that includes domestic animals and cultivated plants. He saved a biodiverse ecology which is a world onto itself. This is what Science calls an Eden. Although according to Science and Time magazine Eden was in Africa, not the middle East.

Is there an Eden in Africa?
There's an interesting theory that suggests the Garden of Eden might be located in Africa, specifically in the nation of Botswana. A major DNA study traced the ancestral home of modern humans to this region, south of the Zambezi River. The area, which includes northern Botswana, Namibia to the west, and Zimbabwe to the east, is believed to be where our earliest ancestors thrived for tens of thousands of years before migrating elsewhere due to climate changes.
The Okavango Delta in Botswana is often referred to as Africa's Garden of Eden due to its remarkable ecosystem and stunning natural beauty.

 

[David Lamb]

Noah saved the civilized world that includes domestic animals and cultivated plants. He saved a biodiverse ecology which is a world onto itself. This is what Science calls an Eden. Although according to Science and Time magazine Eden was in Africa, not the middle East.

Is there an Eden in Africa?
There's an interesting theory that suggests the Garden of Eden might be located in Africa, specifically in the nation of Botswana. A major DNA study traced the ancestral home of modern humans to this region, south of the Zambezi River. The area, which includes northern Botswana, Namibia to the west, and Zimbabwe to the east, is believed to be where our earliest ancestors thrived for tens of thousands of years before migrating elsewhere due to climate changes.
The Okavango Delta in Botswana is often referred to as Africa's Garden of Eden due to its remarkable ecosystem and stunning natural beauty.

I think you are going on to an different topic - the location of Eden. I think there is a thread about that already. My post, to which you were replying, wasn't about Eden. I was answering a post that claimed the new start after the flood was a new creation.

 

[Diamond72]

I was answering a post that claimed the new start after the flood was a new creation.

I never said that. You must have me confused with someone else. Or maybe you did not understand something I did say because you did not do the research for yourself.

 

[David Lamb]

I never said that. You must have me confused with someone else. Or maybe you did not understand something I did say because you did not do the research for yourself.

I'm sorry, but we seem to be at cross-purposes. Davetaff wrote: "The first day of this creation began when Noah stepped out of the ark." I replied to his post, saying: "We are not told in Genesis that God created new people and new animals after the Flood." You then replied to my post, in a post about the location of Eden. I then wrote to say that although your post was written in answer to mine, my post wasn't about the location of Eden, and now you have quoted this further post of mine where I wrote: "I was answering a post that claimed the new start after the flood was a new creation." You said, "I never said that." But I didn't say you said it - in fact it was Davetaff. Between us, we seem to have got into a muddle. If it's my fault, I heartily apologise.

 

[davetaff]

I'm sorry, but we seem to be at cross-purposes. Davetaff wrote: "The first day of this creation began when Noah stepped out of the ark." I replied to his post, saying: "We are not told in Genesis that God created new people and new animals after the Flood." You then replied to my post, in a post about the location of Eden. I then wrote to say that although your post was written in answer to mine, my post wasn't about the location of Eden, and now you have quoted this further post of mine where I wrote: "I was answering a post that claimed the new start after the flood was a new creation." You said, "I never said that." But I didn't say you said it - in fact it was Davetaff. Between us, we seem to have got into a muddle. If it's my fault, I heartily apologise.

Hi David
Thank you for your reply I did answer this post yesterday but it seems to have disappeared am I being censored.
When Noah stepped of the ark he had everything on the ark that God needed to repopulate the earth the only thing missing was Adam so God set about creating him the first attempt was Israel did not turn out to good so God began a New creation in Jesus Christ which would be completed at his second comming

2 Corinthians 5:17 ESV
[17] Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. | English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) | Download The Bible App Now

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

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So in Christ we are a new creation of man in the image of God this will be realised at Christs second coming.
So the question is was the first Adam and the last Adam created in the same way if so the first Adam would be a whole multitude of people.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

Hi David
Thank you for your reply I did answer this post yesterday but it seems to have disappeared am I being censored.
When Noah stepped of the ark he had everything on the ark that God needed to repopulate the earth the only thing missing was Adam so God set about creating him the first attempt was Israel did not turn out to good so God began a New creation in Jesus Christ which would be completed at his second comming

2 Corinthians 5:17 ESV
[17] Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. | English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) | Download The Bible App Now

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

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So in Christ we are a new creation of man in the image of God this will be realised at Christs second coming.
So the question is was the first Adam and the last Adam created in the same way if so the first Adam would be a whole multitude of people.

Love and Peace
Dave

Thanks Dave. I can't tell you whether you are being censored - you'd have to ask the administrators I suppose. Can you give me a bible reference to support the idea that God was trying to recreate Adam after the Flood, and that because the result, Israel, was a failure, He then sent Christ? As I see in the bible, Israel is never called a second Adam. Jesus Christ is called "the last Adam". Also, the idea that God only decided to send Jesus Christ to the world once Israel had proved to be a failure doesn't fit with this from Peter:

“knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, [like] silver or gold, from your aimless conduct [received] by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.” (1Pe 1:18-21 NKJV)

Thanks for the message.

 

[davetaff]

Thanks Dave. I can't tell you whether you are being censored - you'd have to ask the administrators I suppose. Can you give me a bible reference to support the idea that God was trying to recreate Adam after the Flood, and that because the result, Israel, was a failure, He then sent Christ? As I see in the bible, Israel is never called a second Adam. Jesus Christ is called "the last Adam". Also, the idea that God only decided to send Jesus Christ to the world once Israel had proved to be a failure doesn't fit with this from Peter:

“knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, [like] silver or gold, from your aimless conduct [received] by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.” (1Pe 1:18-21 NKJV)

Thanks for the message.

Hi David
Thank you for you reply I will do my best to answer your question

1 Corinthians 15:45-46 ESV
[45] Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. [46] But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.

1 Corinthians 15:45-46 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. | English Standard Version 2016 (ESV)

Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.

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After the flood there was no Adam so ther had to be a natural man a man of flesh this is Israel who was rejected because the man of flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
Then the gospel was preached to the gentiles who when they receive the baptism of Jesus Christ become spiritual beings and can enter the kingdom of God.
As for Israel

Romans 11:25-27 ESV
[25] Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. [26] And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; [27] “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”

Romans 11:25-27 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way | English Standard Version 2016 (

Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way

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The only thing God needed to created after the flood was mankind in his image take note not man but mankind this is the multitude that Christ will present to the Father on his second return
This multitude will be divided up in the same way as Israel we will have God the Father the head of all things we will have Jesus Christ the high priest as Aaron was in Israel then we will have the bride of Christ she was the tribe of Levi in Israel then we have the rest of the multitude who are the children of God.
Israel is not called Adam but he is mankind created in the image of God not forgetting all Israel will be saved.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Platte]

The Bible does NOT say God created Earth on Day One (literally). On day one of the week in which God sets his creation in order, God said, "Let there be light"...which follows and remedies the condition of "darkness" on the earth described in verse two. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" precedes, literally, day one of the week when God prepares earth for man.
In The Beginning

“for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is…...”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20‬:‭11‬